[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Event Data Recorders in Cars (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/12/2008 8:29:00 AM EDT
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As some of you know most new cars today have event data recorders in them. Basically, if you're in an accident and the air bags deploy this device records the 30 seconds of information before the accident. Stuff like speed, if the brakes were applied, engine speed, etc. Your insurance company/police could use this information against you to deny coverage or press more charges against you. Say your insurance company denys you coverage because you went 1 mph over the speed limit. I know some of you will say well don't get into an accident and don't worry about it. However, this is big government stepping into our lives more an more. This could be the precursor to putting gps tracking devices in all vehicles. Future selling point for mandating it in all cars, it will allow the police to track where a suspect has been over the last few days. So, what is everyone's opionion of these devices? |
Let's put it this way......you are the victim of an idiot driver that leaves you disabled.....his insurance company is fighting you........you're going to be thankful that you have the info needed to make that insurance company pay up. |
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The rationale for having these is the same for having a camera on every block and a wire tap on every phone. I'd prefer we didn't have monitoring devices on all of our activities. Some of the above posters seem to feel differently about their privacy & private lives being monitored at all times. |
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I know how to disable it in my Camaro. The only issue is it will make my seatbelts and airbags stop working. I'm planning on 5 point seatbelts and I don't like airbags. When I get the belts, the recorder is going away. The ONLY entity it benefits is the government if they decide to pull the data and prosecute you. |
Those who trade freedom for safety will soon have neither. |
Easy fix, take the responsibility to find out if the car you're going to buy has this, if it does look elsewhere. If you buy a car with this technology it's your own fault. Privacy has nothing to do with it when you voluntarily buy the car. |
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I am completely against it and if I can avoid buying a vehicle with such a device, I will. FWIW: private ambulance companies have had something like this for years. I don't think the purpose was to record data prior to an accident, it is just to monitor how the employees are driving the vehicles. When I encountered them 20+ years ago, you had a peice of round graph paper you put into the machine at the start of the shift. It then recorded your max speed, acceleration, as well as how hard you brake. When you were doing these activities, a beeping noise would go off advising you how hard you were braking for example. It would beep faster or change tone or something the harder you braked. Obviously, if you paid attention, you wouldn't need to brake hard, or take turns too fast, etc. So it promoted more heads up driving. The company then offered a little pay bonus if you kept your numbers within certain limits consistently. |
I definitely understand this, but I also don't like being monitored in every little thing we do. |
This is my issue with airbags. I have been in 2 accidents where I was pushed into oncoming traffic. My ability to steer afterwards avoided several other collisions. Having an airbag would have prevented that. |
Alternatively, his insurance company pulls your data and they discover that you were going 5mph over the limit. He was under the limit. You lose your case, he sues you... |
Take off your tinfoil hat.......the damn tape is a 30 second loop. |
 www.harristechnical.com/downloads/49CFR563.pdf
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| It would seem to me that since the owner of the vehicle could have the EDR information used against them, that would be akin to self incrimination... Apparently, that isn't the way the .gov sees things. Check these cases out. www.harristechnical.com/cdr5.htm |
If you disable the EDR and the insurance company discovers that....after you have had an accident [your fault or otherwise] they are going to deny your claim. |
Would you be comfortable if I installed cameras in your home that only recorded 30 seconds of video every time it detected movement? In case you haven't noticed our civil liberties have been slowly getting taken away. You must be a cop or insurance agent. |
Interesting. Looks like I'll be snipping the VCC lead soon. |
| Don't care for the idea of a data recorder as presented... but what I would really like is a nose-mounted camera that I could activate and deactivate myself, so I can get recordings of the occasional drunk/distracted driver, his license plate, and forward it on to the state patrol. |
Who owns the damn thing? I bought the car it's mine. It's not a law (yet) that it has to be there. I should have a say so over whether or not I allow the information to be read off of it. |
Your logic is flawed, methinks. According to your logic, if they install cameras on every street you can just stay in your house - it's your fault and you deserve to be filmed and tracked if you leave. And if they wiretap your phone you can just not make calls. And if your internet were being watched you can just avoid the net. |
and so are the scumbags trying to rip off the insurance companies. Don't drive like an idiot and don't drive drunk. simple... |
Bingo. |
There is a right to privacy in your home. There is no right to privacy in your car. |
My friend's seatbelt failed. He attempted to have the data pulled. The problem is Acura got to the junkyard before he did AND ERASED IT. Yeah, that sure saved Acura from a lawsuit. |
Because you say so? Think again. |
+1! Fuck those things. The insurance company wants you to have them so the can deny you coverage. Are you numb? 
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Well in Mississippi your car is considered an extension of your home. Hence the reason you can carry a gun in your car without any kind of permit. So, is your car really an extension of your home all the time or just in this particular case??? EDIT: Another point. The police need a warrant to search your home. With your logic then they wouldn't need a warrant to search anyone's car. |
I just thought about it. I can't think of anything wrong with that. Please explain how I'm wrong. |
No, they don't need a warrant to search your car pursuant to an arrest. |
| Drive an 83 Mercedes 300D - no EDR and I stick pretty much to pre-98 vehicles. Electronics on cars have gotten more cumbersome and overly invasive, and a source for EMP devices to shut you down while driving. On my diesel, an EMP pulse wouldn't shut anything down other than the radio, and maybe the alternator. |
That's only after the officer has made a determination that there is something suspicious going on. The way I understand your logic is that there is no right to privacy in your vehicle at all. Hence the police can search your car without having to have probable cause. |
Can both incriminate AND exhonerate you... (don't drive like an asshat and you've got no problems) |
I've been ripped off by insurance company's before. Never ripped them off. I don't drink. However, I have been forced to take defensive driving actions due to others peoples lack of driving skills. |
three out of five trolls agree  trying to start a meaningless big brother thread.....priceless
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