Posted: 9/18/2008 5:00:13 PM EDT
The above post from the linked thread made me think of the below questions - discuss. jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=758979&page=6&#-1 Assuming no UoF laws are changed, how would privatizing LE make a difference? Other than Dept owned weapons, nationwide CCW (via HR218) and professional courtesy on traffic infractions what "priveleges" do you believe (public employee) police officers are afforded? How would that change if LE was privatized? Brian |
|
If LE was privatized, all you would do is increase police corruption and worsen police-community relations... The only folks who want LE privatized, are people who want yet another reason to ignore any law they don't feel like obeying... It would be like privatizing the military (using mercenaries) - loyalty to the highest bidder... |
Yep, its the government involvement that keeps the corruption away. 
|
 Best post in THIS thread! |
|
I dont think LE should be privatized but I think LE in general needs to be more accountable, and held to the same standards and justice system us regular folk are. I dont want to see a LEO do something that is most likely criminal, and have his department shield him from scrutiny by doing an in-house investigation, and then the punishment is job related- if it were a regular joe blow they would be taken to prison. Id also like to see laws that say LEO are not accountable for fuck ups as long as they were on duty and thought they were doing the right thing. If I fuck up, and commit a crime even though I thought I was doing the right thing it wouldnt make a damn difference to the prosecutor. I want to see more equality in things like guns- if regular citizens cant have a paticular gun then LE should not have them either. I dont want to see SWAT teams raiding a house for "illegal" guns when they're packing SBR's and machine-guns themselves. |
|
If its run like privatised fire and EMS service....... NO THANKS..... Could you imagine paying $100 to have a report taken because your car was stolen? At least in AZ, there is a certain "PRIVATELY OWNED" fire and EMS service that will bill you for their services i.e. Fires, car accidents |
Did he say there was no corruption in current police forces? No, he didn't. He said the privatizing the police force would increase it. Dave is right, as he usually is. Privitizing the police force is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. |
+1 Thread over. |
It's a good yin-yang approach. I feel at peace 
|
Why stop there? How about a "no tolerance" policy towards ANY infractions or crimes for everybody? "Fuck your warning. You're getting a ticket for doing 2 over." |
I'd figure closer to 80% |
Yep. Modern Police Departments seem to have forgotten Sir Bobby's 9 Principles. The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder. The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions. Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public. The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force. Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law. Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient. Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary. The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it. |
Believe it or not, there is an element of that - people don't become cops for the pay... Privatizing LE would make them just as bad as predatory tow-yard operators & parking nazis.... Because the only 'good' for the private-police, would be making more money... Everything they did would be cost-benefit based... Felony arrests too expensive? Reduce felony enforcement, write more traffic tickets... And so on... |
I like it! I will relish seeing cops writing up other cops for going 2 over. 
|
Maybe where you live, but here in FL LEO jobs are highly sought after and the competition is very tough. |
+1 ive heard this discussion so many times about Firefighters as well. Privatization of fire departments works out much cheaper than the bs government union that some have. alot of larger town hire out the people to man the fire department equipment now for this very reason. |
I'm confused. Are you talking about .gov cops or private cops? The part in blue sounds like .gov, but I'm guessing you meant it the other way. |
Not just cops. Fuck that. If we're going to have cops do it, let's have them do it for all. |
As a nationwide trend, good applicants have decreased significantly. |
A few hours ago, in a different thread, someone mentioned that if I expected to hold police to a higher standard, I'd better be prepared to pay more taxes. That implies that more pay means better service. So which is it? |
My sides hurt!  ETA: That was fun while it lasted.
|
More pay doesn't mean better service - just look at public school teachers... Military and LE should be fields you go into because you want to do public service, with the pay as a secondary motivation... |
Yeah, that's what I said. I LIKE IT. Equal treatment, zero tolerance for everyone. Other cops, federal agents, policticans, celebrities. EVERYONE gets the sae treatment. I love it! |
So you would have no trouble being ticketed for 2 over then? Mass stupidity does not negate into common sense....
|
Most all of them do around here, at least for EMS response whether it's fire or private or both that shows up. I work in private EMS. In a lot of communities we either respond along with fire or are the only response to medical/trauma calls. But even in the city where I live, in which the fire department handles all fire and EMS calls and is 100% tax funded, they still send a bill. Have one on my kitchen table right now from when my girlfriend had a diabetic reaction one night. |
George Bush's War of Terror. Not only is it terrorizing terrorists around the globe, it is depleting the pool of available candidates, because many who would apply for public safety jobs go into the military because they really honestly totally want to make a difference and protect us and stuff from the really bad people. |
That must be why the CT State Police get several thousand applicants per class and narrow it down to under 100. I've been waiting for months to even get in the process. With the competiton I'll be facing it will be very tough for me to even get into the academy. Oh, well. I own my own business so if I don't make it I'll still do fine. I would just like to be a Trooper very much. |
Yep. I've always told people to be careful what they wish for. Officer discretion is a good thing. |
The goal is to change the behavior - what form of 'correction' will do that? I've given way more warnings than tickets because a lot of people just need a friendly reminder - including other public safety employees. Every ticket I've written the driver talked themselves into the ticket. Wait, in one case the passenger almost talked her way into the driver getting cited - it was priceless watching/listening to the driver tell his GF to shut up before he gets a ticket because he caught on much faster than she did. Brian |
You're taking that statement out of context. Brian |
|
So by privatizing LE- Company X will get a per hour/per cop rate to "staff" the Police Department. Out of that per hour/per cop rate all of the operating costs will come out. Insurance, physical depts., cars, guns, ammo, uniforms, handcuffs, etc. Then the officers will get paid and the company will turn a profit. Why should anyone profit for protecting the public? Also, the greedier the company, the less they are going to pay, the more they are going to skimp on maintaining vehicles, and so on- thus reducing the quality of employee. Oh yeah, don't forget competition further reducing the rates charged and in turn reducing the quality of LEO's. It would be a disaster. |