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8/24/2008 4:25:40 AM EDT
As I listened to the open call in show on AM radio yesterday morning, I thought to myself, "my god, these people are just stupid". They kept pleading, "Just LOOK OUT THE WINDOW--they're EVERYWHERE!".

For Chemtrails to work, thousands of people would need to be involved in an international conspiracy stretching between government and industry--without a word leaking.

I would say the average chemtrails proponent IQ is <100.
8/24/2008 4:29:14 AM EDT
[#1]
Chemtrail people are bamboozled by Inequality Symbols.
8/24/2008 4:31:40 AM EDT
[#2]
You think we only pump JP-8 into these KC-135s?  We have  T model that's specifically designed to keep the JP-8 that runs the engines separate from the "special chemicals" we pump out the boom.    Between the chemtrails, "flouride", and subliminal reprogramming via TV we've just about achieved the goal of total subjugation of the human race.  
8/24/2008 4:34:30 AM EDT
[#3]
No IQ correlation, IMO.
They try to cover up lack of understanding/awareness with creation of unlikely explanations.
8/24/2008 4:34:58 AM EDT
[#4]
Just surround yourself with Orgonite to counter the effects of the chemtrails.

What's Orgonite?
8/24/2008 4:36:06 AM EDT
[#5]
The program is run by aliens. DUH
8/24/2008 4:44:44 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
No IQ correlation, IMO.
They try to cover up lack of understanding/awareness with creation of unlikely explanations.


I agree.

I've always thought the people who dabble in conspiracies and junk science either didn't have any science classes in their life of just didn't pay attention in school and now they are paying the price.
8/24/2008 4:50:20 AM EDT
[#7]
Conspiracy has plagued mankind since the dawn of human civilization.  Whether in the form of chemtrails or not, it is here again today.

You would be a bigger fool to blindly trust those in power.
8/24/2008 4:53:11 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Conspiracy has plagued mankind since the dawn of human civilization.  Whether in the form of chemtrails or not, it is here again today.

You would be a bigger fool to blindly trust those in power.
Expound.
8/24/2008 5:00:00 AM EDT
[#9]


Chem trails are no big deal.  Ants have used them for years.




5sub
8/24/2008 5:00:18 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Conspiracy has plagued mankind since the dawn of human civilization.  Whether in the form of chemtrails or not, it is here again today.

You would be a bigger fool to blindly trust those in power.


tinfoil time
8/24/2008 5:13:54 AM EDT
[#11]
This oughtta get good.
8/24/2008 5:15:13 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Just surround yourself with Orgonite to counter the effects of the chemtrails.

What's Orgonite?


Who makes that, the Gorgonites?



8/24/2008 5:15:19 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
This oughtta get good.


Too Bad Red Beard was banned, he was an expert on this subject.
8/24/2008 5:17:34 AM EDT
[#14]
conspiracy adherents are generally people that have little to nothing noteworthy going on in their own lives, and feel that being "in the loop" on a conspiracy makes them privy to something that the "sheeple" don't, thus adding value and meaning to their mostly worthless existence.
8/24/2008 5:24:10 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Conspiracy has plagued mankind since the dawn of human civilization.  Whether in the form of chemtrails or not, it is here again today.

You would be a bigger fool to blindly trust those in power.
Expound.


Cain conspired against Able.
Cleopatra conspired for rule of Egypt
The parliament conspired to kill Caesar
The head priests conspired to convict Jesus
There was a conspiracy to kill Lincoln
There was a conspiracy to kill millions of Jews
The Germans faked an attack on their own building
Most top pro baseball players were illegally doping
The Enron executives conspired against shareholders

We could go on all night. These are just a few of the most well known conspiracies off the top of my head.  Think about all the power plays that we never know about, which is the vast majority. A criminal commits many crimes before he is caught for one. The elite have always ruled the masses.
8/24/2008 5:26:24 AM EDT
[#16]
I heard (read with a grain of salt) that the gov't has done experiments with additives in jet fuel however I don't know what the goal was.  I watched a show on chemtrails and the whole time I was thinking; don't these people have bigger things to worry about? Apparently not
8/24/2008 5:26:40 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
conspiracy adherents are generally people that have little to nothing noteworthy going on in their own lives, and feel that being "in the loop" on a conspiracy makes them privy to something that the "sheeple" don't, thus adding value and meaning to their mostly worthless existence.


That's one subset, but I don't think they're the only ones - I think that many want to believe that there is some kind of "system" in control. Most people who have worked for/in the gov't/military can tell you what a three ring cluster fuck a lot if things are.

I think that concept, that even up to our highest levels of gov't decisions are made by "mere mortals" who are doing their best to deal with what gets thrown at them, scares the hell out of them and the belief that some group or control (even if it's totally evil) is in total control helps them sleep better at night.
8/24/2008 5:30:36 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
You think we only pump JP-8 into these KC-135s?  We have  T model that's specifically designed to keep the JP-8 that runs the engines separate from the "special chemicals" we pump out the boom.    Between the chemtrails, "flouride", and subliminal reprogramming via TV we've just about achieved the goal of total subjugation of the human race.  


We bow down to our Tanker Overlords...

8/24/2008 5:44:06 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
I heard (read with a grain of salt) that the gov't has done experiments with additives in jet fuel however I don't know what the goal was.  I watched a show on chemtrails and the whole time I was thinking; don't these people have bigger things to worry about? Apparently not
The goal was to see how well jet engines would run on alternative fuels.
A company at the Port of Catoosa was a supplier, and Dyess AFB ran a B-1B on a nonconventional fuel.
8/24/2008 5:56:30 AM EDT
[#20]
I think a lot of these theories were born out of valid concerns - and then taken to an extreme degree.

Fluoride for example, is a harmful substance.  It has been proven to cause damage to body systems.  Is the amount of fluoride in water dangerous?  Who will ever really know.

I think some people simply get obsessed with these things and can't let it go.  But it doesn't mean you have a low IQ to not trust the .gov.  Please.  
8/24/2008 5:58:23 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
I heard (read with a grain of salt) that the gov't has done experiments with additives in jet fuel however I don't know what the goal was.  I watched a show on chemtrails and the whole time I was thinking; don't these people have bigger things to worry about? Apparently not


Prist is a jet fuel additive that prevents icing in the fuel tanks. I don't think it makes con-trails any more dramatic or readily apparent.

PRIST
8/24/2008 5:59:38 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
I think a lot of these theories were born out of valid concerns - and then taken to an extreme degree.

Fluoride for example, is a harmful substance.  It has been proven to cause damage to body systems.  Is the amount of fluoride in water dangerous?  Who will ever really know.

I think some people simply get obsessed with these things and can't let it go.  But it doesn't mean you have a low IQ to not trust the .gov.  Please.  


Fluoride is the reduced form of fluorine. Both organic and inorganic compounds containing the element fluorine are considered fluorides. As a halogen, fluorine forms a monovalent ion (−1 charge). The range of fluorides is considerable as fluorine forms compounds with all elements except He and Ne[1][2]. Fluorides range from severe toxins such as sarin to life-saving pharmaceuticals such as efavirenz and from refractory materials such as calcium fluoride to highly reactive sulfur tetrafluoride.

So which fluoride are we talking about, here?
8/24/2008 6:08:20 AM EDT
[#23]
NaF and Hexafluorosilicic acid.

Just making the point that it's a small concern blown to immense proportions by some.
8/24/2008 6:14:49 AM EDT
[#24]

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NaF and Hexafluorosilicic acid.

Just making the point that it's a small concern blown to immense proportions by some.
Holy shit.  You must be a chemist or something.
From wiki:
Fluoride salts were used widely to enhance the strength of teeth by the formation of fluoroapatite, a naturally occurring component of tooth enamel. In the US, NaF was once used to fluoridate drinking water but its use has been displaced by hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) or the related sodium salt (Na2SiF6). Toothpaste often contains sodium fluoride to prevent cavities.
8/24/2008 7:48:50 AM EDT
[#25]
8/24/2008 7:58:49 AM EDT
[#26]
I've posted many teeth-busting comments on some of the chemtrail videos on youtube.  It's been a lot of fun.

Planes fly higher than ever before,  with crusing altitudes being up to 42,000 feet or higher,
and more planes are flying today than ever before.   They're flying in parts of the
atmosphere that virtually guarantee long-lasting visible vapor contrails, very often.  
Conditions are often right for those contrails to act as seeds for additional cloud
formation.

One idiot's video included RED contrails, and of course, that's from video taken in the
early morning or late evening when atmospheric refraction makes any ordinary cloud
look red.  


Chemtrail believers are quite possibly the ultimate loons.   They have no understanding
of basic physics.


CJ

8/24/2008 8:00:23 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
I've posted many teeth-busting comments on some of the chemtrail videos on youtube.  It's been a lot of fun.

Planes fly higher than ever before,  with crusing altitudes being up to 42,000 feet or higher,
and more planes are flying today than ever before.   They're flying in parts of the
atmosphere that virtually guarantee long-lasting visible vapor contrails, very often.  
Conditions are often right for those contrails to act as seeds for additional cloud
formation.

One idiot's video included RED contrails, and of course, that's from video taken in the
early morning or late evening when atmospheric refraction makes any ordinary cloud
look red.  


Chemtrail believers are quite possibly the ultimate loons.   They have no understanding
of basic physics.


CJ



this
8/24/2008 8:25:34 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
I've posted many teeth-busting comments on some of the chemtrail videos on youtube.  It's been a lot of fun.

Planes fly higher than ever before,  with crusing altitudes being up to 42,000 feet or higher,
and more planes are flying today than ever before.   They're flying in parts of the
atmosphere that virtually guarantee long-lasting visible vapor contrails, very often.  
Conditions are often right for those contrails to act as seeds for additional cloud
formation.

One idiot's video included RED contrails, and of course, that's from video taken in the
early morning or late evening when atmospheric refraction makes any ordinary cloud
look red.  


Chemtrail believers are quite possibly the ultimate loons.   They have no understanding
of basic physics.


CJ





I have a lot of fun with the conspiracy and chemtrail loons on YouTube also.

8/24/2008 8:28:44 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
i34.tinypic.com/ka0kl2.jpg

Car carrier?
8/24/2008 8:32:28 AM EDT
[#30]
www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000140.html




You know what these are? They're Chemtrails.

Wake up, sheeple!!

Chemtrails are one of two things:

A. They are slow-acting toxins dispersed from aerial refueling tankers designed to spread carcinogens and other lethal agents among the general population, with the goal of reducing the world's population by 85%. They are dispersed in criss-cross patterns or a series of regular lines in order to obtain maximum coverage.

Or

B. They are the product of relatively modern, high-bypass turbofans operating at altitudes where water vapor is condensed and freezes into what is essentially an artificial cirrus cloud, which naturally follow the invisible airways and VOR turning points that make up the US Airspace system. They are Contrails.

Millions of your countrymen are choosing A. Millions. Think about that, and weep. Think that there are people out there right now -- people two cars over in traffic, or ahead of you in the check-out counter -- who believe that our government is spraying high-altitude poisons designed to kill us all. That men and women -- thousands of men and women -- go to work every day, refilling the tankers with deadly chemicals, or flying top-secret missions in broad daylight, indiscriminately spraying death down on their drinking buddies, fellow church-goers, co-workers, cousins and wives and children. What kind of person--. Excuse me. I'm sorry. I don't do this often but I just can't continue this calmly:

WHAT THE LIVING HELL IS THE MATTER WITH THESE PEOPLE?!!

I think it's high time -- and way, waaaay past high time -- to start pushing back against these kinds of diseased philosophies and the fact that they are getting traction because no one seems willing to point at them and go:

























Starting with the 747 in 1970, jetliners began to employ a very different kind of jet engine. The first generation of jets -- the ones that produced the thin, narrow contrails we used to see -- employed what is called a turbojet (or "pure jet") engine. These are much narrower engines than you usually see today. All of the air that a turbojet encounters goes inside the engine, where it is compressed, injected with fuel and ejected out the rear. But the 747 pioneered a radical new design, called a turbofan (or "high-bypass") engine. Just about anything you are likely to get on these days uses these high-bypass engines. They are called high-bypass because they are much wider than an old turbojet. That is because most of the air that enormous fan takes in does not go into the engine at all, but rather around the outside of it. It is, essentially, a huge propeller powered by the ten or twenty percent of the total airflow that actually enters the engine and drives the turbine shaft as it exits under very high pressure.



The net result is that a turbofan engine moves a much larger volume of air than a turbojet. That makes it more powerful, more fuel efficient and a lot more quiet... they have that hum rather than the crackling roar of the older turbojet. They are quieter because they shroud that hot air inside an invisible tube of cooler air that has gone around -- not through -- the engine core. This massive volume of heated and cooled air produces these newer, thicker, more persistent contrails, as you can see here:  



If you happen to be one of those people who, like me, flatten their face against the window for five hours rather than reading CROSSFIRE on the way home for Thanksgiving, you will often see these jets producing these contrails with your own eyes. Those jets are not filled with poison chemicals or equipped with spraying nozzles, but rather are filled with other people watching your jet produce the same hi-bypass contrails.

So either that explains it, or the whole thing is a high altitude, crop-dusting scheme designed to chemically poison a pernicious pest, namely, you and me. Now you tell me which one seems a little more likely to you, and I will in return advise you whether or not you need to seek professional psychiatric help.

(You might be relieved to know that there is hope on the Chemtrail front. As it happens, "a rescue effort of neutralizing and transmuting the toxic elements in chemtrails was initiated in early 2002 with the introduction of a device called the "chembuster" which will transmute the atmospheric energy envelope from one polarity which allow chemtrails to persist, to another polarity which will cause chemtrails to disperse and fall apart. The proliferation of chembusters around the country led to another dramatic development in early 2004 - legions of huge air elemental beings called "Sylphs" by ancient Greeks made their presence known by assuming cloud shapes that often look like wispy winged angels or animal forms who set about "cleaning up" the skies of chemtrail toxins by engulfing and transmuting chemtrail toxins into non-toxic substances.")

Well! I feel better already!



There are pictures and illistruations at the link.
8/24/2008 8:43:52 AM EDT
[#31]
yeah...  so i googled "chemtrail people" because i didn't know wtf this thread was about.

wow.
8/24/2008 8:46:22 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You think we only pump JP-8 into these KC-135s?  We have  T model that's specifically designed to keep the JP-8 that runs the engines separate from the "special chemicals" we pump out the boom.    Between the chemtrails, "flouride", and subliminal reprogramming via TV we've just about achieved the goal of total subjugation of the human race.  


We bow down to our Tanker Overlords...



Everybody does, whether they know it or not.

KNAWTC (No-one kicks ass without tanker chemtrails)
8/24/2008 4:12:48 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Conspiracy has plagued mankind since the dawn of human civilization.  Whether in the form of chemtrails or not, it is here again today.

You would be a bigger fool to blindly trust those in power.
Expound.


Cain conspired against Able.
Cleopatra conspired for rule of Egypt
The parliament conspired to kill Caesar
The head priests conspired to convict Jesus
There was a conspiracy to kill Lincoln
There was a conspiracy to kill millions of Jews
The Germans faked an attack on their own building
Most top pro baseball players were illegally doping
The Enron executives conspired against shareholders

We could go on all night. These are just a few of the most well known conspiracies off the top of my head.  Think about all the power plays that we never know about, which is the vast majority. A criminal commits many crimes before he is caught for one. The elite have always ruled the masses.
Any conspiracies you believe in, which aren't yet proven/accepted?
8/24/2008 4:17:08 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
NaF and Hexafluorosilicic acid.

Just making the point that it's a small concern blown to immense proportions by some.
Holy shit.  You must be a chemist or something.
From wiki:
Fluoride salts were used widely to enhance the strength of teeth by the formation of fluoroapatite, a naturally occurring component of tooth enamel. In the US, NaF was once used to fluoridate drinking water but its use has been displaced by hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) or the related sodium salt (Na2SiF6). Toothpaste often contains sodium fluoride to prevent cavities.


No, but I play one on TV...

I had to look it up too because all I could remember was standard fluoride.  

8/24/2008 4:33:54 PM EDT
[#35]
Fire will melt steel
10/23/2008 1:41:30 PM EDT
[#36]
How do you explain this video?

link
10/23/2008 1:58:36 PM EDT
[#37]
You guys are crazy and need to wake up! I did not believe in chem trails until Mfingar posted this pic that proves they are not only real, but Arfcom is an active participant in the operation!







10/23/2008 1:59:45 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
You guys are crazy and need to wake up! I did not believe in chem trails until Mfingar posted this pic that proves they are not only real, but Arfcom is an active participant in the operation!




i71.photobucket.com/albums/i152/racerxxl/Arf/BF-1.jpg





That was taken at the last Steel City Match!
10/23/2008 2:02:03 PM EDT
[#39]
None of this would be an issue if Bush, Cheney and Rove hadn't managed to fly those R/C airliners into the WTC buildings and Pentagon.




10/23/2008 2:02:55 PM EDT
[#40]
On the face of it, rediculous.  That said, lots of shit said over the past few years has appeared rediculous, on the face of it , and is suddenly very real and very right in front of my face.

So, rediculous, maybe.  Plausible, I'd be a fool to say anything but "sure", anymore.
10/23/2008 2:05:51 PM EDT
[#41]
Chem trails help you see the reptillians better
10/23/2008 2:07:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Posted this in another thread. Not my quote but it's damn good.

"To believe in government conspiracies this complex, assumes a level of competence in government not otherwise afforded to them in any other circumstance."
10/23/2008 5:30:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Cain conspired to kill Abel.  ummm, who did he conspire with?
10/23/2008 6:07:01 PM EDT
[#44]
Actually didn't the CIA admit to gassing some city from the air in the 1950's or 60's?
10/23/2008 6:36:24 PM EDT
[#45]
Have any chemical analisys been done on current military jet fuel?

I would like to draw my own conclusions after reading opinions from the fuel experts here.

Please no opinions without a valid chem analisys to read
10/23/2008 6:39:10 PM EDT
[#46]
While I do not believe the whole chemtrails thing, things have been released into the atmosphere such as -relatively- benign bacteria to track the wind distribution for potential future biological attacks - this has been documented.
10/23/2008 6:41:03 PM EDT
[#47]
Cain didn't conspire against Abel, he just got all butthurt that the man upstairs liked his brother's sacrifice better, so he ganked him.

My question is, where did their wives come from?  Did they cough up ribs too?
10/23/2008 6:41:41 PM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:
Cain didn't conspire against Abel, he just got all butthurt that the man upstairs liked his brother's sacrifice better, so he ganked him.

My question is, where did their wives come from?  Did they cough up ribs too?


They married their sisters.
10/23/2008 6:42:23 PM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Cain didn't conspire against Abel, he just got all butthurt that the man upstairs liked his brother's sacrifice better, so he ganked him.

My question is, where did their wives come from?  Did they cough up ribs too?


They married their sisters.


Wow, that explains a lot....
10/23/2008 6:44:57 PM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:
While I do not believe the whole chemtrails thing, things have been released into the atmosphere such as -relatively- benign bacteria to track the wind distribution for potential future biological attacks - this has been documented.


And dust comes over to Texas from Africa.
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