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8/9/2008 3:20:13 PM EDT
Gets 400 mpg because it is all electric and gasoline is used only to charge the battery but electricity propels the car 100%  Interesting? GM is shooting for 2010. You can plug it into 110v sockett at home and drive it 40 miles without any gas.
8/9/2008 3:47:45 PM EDT
[#1]
I hope it works out as planned.  60 mile range electric only would perfect for my daily driving.  
8/9/2008 3:48:37 PM EDT
[#2]
Maybe too little too late.  Not to mention a 30k price tag was being floated about.
8/9/2008 3:57:49 PM EDT
[#3]
The reason they are not out yet is they don't have the battery technology.  The volt is vaporware until they can get the batteries to work and work reliably.  
8/9/2008 4:14:58 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Maybe too little too late.  Not to mention a 30k price tag was being floated about.


+10k markup to be GMs product tester
8/9/2008 4:16:38 PM EDT
[#5]
I am quite sure GM is being way too optimistic about it's MPG or MPC
8/9/2008 4:23:39 PM EDT
[#6]
Too pricey. Why not make a cheap one and sell a shitload. I know the batteries are expensive but high 30's is too much for a new concept for me.
8/9/2008 4:30:39 PM EDT
[#7]
I really hope it works. They sunk a lot of money and effort into this thing.
8/9/2008 4:36:09 PM EDT
[#8]
Fuck that.  I can buy a lifetime of gasoline for the $40K it would cost me.  I went 71 days between my last fill up and my current one.  That's on $42.  That's about 59 cents a day for gas.  Some months are heavy, some are light, so I'd average it at a buck a day for gas.  I'm gonna line up to spend $40K to save a dollar a day.  99% of my driving is within 40 miles round trip of home.  At a buck a day, it'd take me 109 years to have a Volt pay me back.  Hell, even if I drive 20K miles a year in a 25 MPG car with gas at $4, a Volt isn't a smart investment for 12.5 years.  

I bet the hippie fucks will get into fist fights over them though.  The Prius smug will choke a buzzard, but I bet the Volt smug will lay waste to entire aras of the country.  Yeah motherfucker, you're really green driving a car that had the battery nickel mined in one of the deadest places in the world, it was then shipped to China, an ecological disaster, where it was made into batteries, then it's shipped back here, then to the assembly plant, where it's joined with parts from all over the world, then it's shipped to the dealer where your stupid fucking ass can buy it them brag to your smelly friends about how you're so green and savy and smug.  The carbon footprint for a hybrid is more like a crater.  The small amount of emmissions it doesn't produce can never make up for all the carbon produced makng it.  Fuck the Volt and all the other hybrids.  
8/9/2008 4:38:43 PM EDT
[#9]

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Maybe too little too late.  Not to mention a 30k price tag was being floated about.



At least $30K with a dismal 40 mile range, a one day, one way commute for most
8/9/2008 4:42:18 PM EDT
[#10]

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Fuck that.  I can buy a lifetime of gasoline for the $40K it would cost me.  I went 71 days between my last fill up and my current one.  That's on $42.  That's about 59 cents a day for gas.  Some months are heavy, some are light, so I'd average it at a buck a day for gas.  I'm gonna line up to spend $40K to save a dollar a day.  99% of my driving is within 40 miles round trip of home.  At a buck a day, it'd take me 109 years to have a Volt pay me back.  Hell, even if I drive 20K miles a year in a 25 MPG car with gas at $4, a Volt isn't a smart investment for 12.5 years.  

I bet the hippie fucks will get into fist fights over them though.  The Prius smug will choke a buzzard, but I bet the Volt smug will lay waste to entire aras of the country.  Yeah motherfucker, you're really green driving a car that had the battery nickel mined in one of the deadest places in the world, it was then shipped to China, an ecological disaster, where it was made into batteries, then it's shipped back here, then to the assembly plant, where it's joined with parts from all over the world, then it's shipped to the dealer where your stupid fucking ass can buy it them brag to your smelly friends about how you're so green and savy and smug.  The carbon footprint for a hybrid is more like a crater.  The small amount of emmissions it doesn't produce can never make up for all the carbon produced makng it.  Fuck the Volt and all the other hybrids.  


And then it was charged in a power socket probably using coal/gas electric generators.
8/9/2008 4:46:28 PM EDT
[#11]
Some people will agree that GM vehicles are prone to problems and breakage.  Some even say thier support for problem vehicles is lacking under warranty.

Its a 1st gen model and most componets are untested for mass use.  I would expect lots of part failures out of this car.  Add lots of problems, limited sources for replacement parts, and limited "techs" to work on them, repairs are going to be expensive.
8/9/2008 4:49:54 PM EDT
[#12]
How long till the FED.GOV figures out that cars that get 100+ MPG, and 400MPG especially, would be paying less than 10% of the fuel taxes of the other cars on the road and wearing the road the exact same amount.


TANSTAAFL
8/9/2008 4:53:51 PM EDT
[#13]

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How long till the FED.GOV figures out that cars that get 100+ MPG, and 400MPG especially, would be paying less than 10% of the fuel taxes of the other cars on the road and wearing the road the exact same amount.


TANSTAAFL



2-3 years
8/9/2008 4:55:03 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

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Fuck that.  I can buy a lifetime of gasoline for the $40K it would cost me.  I went 71 days between my last fill up and my current one.  That's on $42.  That's about 59 cents a day for gas.  Some months are heavy, some are light, so I'd average it at a buck a day for gas.  I'm gonna line up to spend $40K to save a dollar a day.  99% of my driving is within 40 miles round trip of home.  At a buck a day, it'd take me 109 years to have a Volt pay me back.  Hell, even if I drive 20K miles a year in a 25 MPG car with gas at $4, a Volt isn't a smart investment for 12.5 years.  

I bet the hippie fucks will get into fist fights over them though.  The Prius smug will choke a buzzard, but I bet the Volt smug will lay waste to entire aras of the country.  Yeah motherfucker, you're really green driving a car that had the battery nickel mined in one of the deadest places in the world, it was then shipped to China, an ecological disaster, where it was made into batteries, then it's shipped back here, then to the assembly plant, where it's joined with parts from all over the world, then it's shipped to the dealer where your stupid fucking ass can buy it them brag to your smelly friends about how you're so green and savy and smug.  The carbon footprint for a hybrid is more like a crater.  The small amount of emmissions it doesn't produce can never make up for all the carbon produced makng it.  Fuck the Volt and all the other hybrids.  


And then it was charged in a power socket probably using coal/gas electric generators.


I forgot that the Volt was supposed to be a plug in.  That just adds one more argument against it.  I hope Gm loses it's ass on the Volt.  We need some Euro diesels here that get 70 MPG plus, you know, using an engine that's been around for over a hundred years.  That's the answer, not some fag mobile that you have to plug in at night and that people will willingly spend $40K on so they can save $25 a week in gas.  
8/9/2008 5:02:23 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Fuck that.  I can buy a lifetime of gasoline for the $40K it would cost me.  I went 71 days between my last fill up and my current one.  That's on $42.  That's about 59 cents a day for gas.  Some months are heavy, some are light, so I'd average it at a buck a day for gas.  I'm gonna line up to spend $40K to save a dollar a day.  99% of my driving is within 40 miles round trip of home.  At a buck a day, it'd take me 109 years to have a Volt pay me back.  Hell, even if I drive 20K miles a year in a 25 MPG car with gas at $4, a Volt isn't a smart investment for 12.5 years.  

I bet the hippie fucks will get into fist fights over them though.  The Prius smug will choke a buzzard, but I bet the Volt smug will lay waste to entire aras of the country.  Yeah motherfucker, you're really green driving a car that had the battery nickel mined in one of the deadest places in the world, it was then shipped to China, an ecological disaster, where it was made into batteries, then it's shipped back here, then to the assembly plant, where it's joined with parts from all over the world, then it's shipped to the dealer where your stupid fucking ass can buy it them brag to your smelly friends about how you're so green and savy and smug.  The carbon footprint for a hybrid is more like a crater.  The small amount of emmissions it doesn't produce can never make up for all the carbon produced makng it.  Fuck the Volt and all the other hybrids.  


And then it was charged in a power socket probably using coal/gas electric generators.


I forgot that the Volt was supposed to be a plug in.  That just adds one more argument against it.  I hope Gm loses it's ass on the Volt.  We need some Euro diesels here that get 70 MPG plus, you know, using an engine that's been around for over a hundred years.  That's the answer, not some fag mobile that you have to plug in at night and that people will willingly spend $40K on so they can save $25 a week in gas.  


I agree, but I am buying a hybrid for a totally different reason:

Venture V1

This looks damn fun to drive and they don't offer a IC option.  
8/9/2008 6:52:46 PM EDT
[#16]
hum the GM Lean Machine revisited.

8/9/2008 6:58:47 PM EDT
[#17]
Will the Volt be UAW built?