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8/9/2008 8:14:42 AM EDT
If a company sent you an expensive product and it was the wrong thing ordered after putting the request in writing multple times with phone confirmation as well and they send you the wrong product and it was scratched, would you be pissed if they wanted you to send it back on your dime?
8/9/2008 8:20:40 AM EDT
[#1]
that's one of the reasons I'll never buy a Sig again.
8/9/2008 8:21:23 AM EDT
[#2]
Ya, I'd be a little upset.
8/9/2008 8:21:43 AM EDT
[#3]
I would probably be upset.
8/9/2008 8:22:29 AM EDT
[#4]
8/9/2008 8:26:00 AM EDT
[#5]
Oh and I forgot, it would be a long wait and more expensive to get what I ordered in the first place.
8/9/2008 8:26:41 AM EDT
[#6]
Tell them to send a package for you to send it back, prepaid, and demand a refund...
8/9/2008 8:27:36 AM EDT
[#7]
yes

And I would tell every one the name of that company and what they did too.  I'll even forward some memo's to that company too.
8/9/2008 8:30:34 AM EDT
[#8]

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yes

And I would tell every one the name of that company and what they did too.  I'll even forward some memo's to that company too.
I will when the time is right, especially since they are an industry partner here but I am giving the unnamed party the chance to make things right.
8/9/2008 8:33:44 AM EDT
[#9]
Customer service makes or breaks a company.  There is a reason a lot of people call a problem an "opportunity."  A customer who has had a problem which was fixed quickly to their satisfaction is a loyal customer.  A customer who has problems w/ your customer service is probably an former customer.  I can't even get Cold Steel to send me the (warranty) part I need for one of my knives.  That's why I haven't bought any more of their knives. I don't intend to buy any more of their knives, and I take every opportunity to tell people not to buy from them because their customer service s*ucks.  
8/9/2008 8:34:12 AM EDT
[#10]
I would demand a full refund, take my buisness elsewhere, and return their product packed with fecal matter
8/9/2008 8:34:58 AM EDT
[#11]

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yes

And I would tell every one the name of that company and what they did too.  I'll even forward some memo's to that company too.
I will when the time is right, especially since they are an industry partner here but I am giving the unnamed party the chance to make things right.


Tag for drama.


In before you get sued by the company for bad mouthing them on the interwebs.




8/9/2008 8:42:00 AM EDT
[#12]

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yes

And I would tell every one the name of that company and what they did too.  I'll even forward some memo's to that company too.
I will when the time is right, especially since they are an industry partner here but I am giving the unnamed party the chance to make things right.


Tag for drama.


In before you get sued by the company for bad mouthing them on the interwebs.




no, my AAC can hasn't arrived yet.
8/9/2008 8:54:44 AM EDT
[#13]
yep
8/9/2008 8:56:38 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

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yes

And I would tell every one the name of that company and what they did too.  I'll even forward some memo's to that company too.
I will when the time is right, especially since they are an industry partner here but I am giving the unnamed party the chance to make things right.


lol, I'm sure I can't guess which place that is.  good luck with 'em.  
8/9/2008 8:58:41 AM EDT
[#15]
IBTNIRATTGD

In Before The Name Gets Revealed And The Thread Gets Deleted

can we take bets on who it was?  
8/9/2008 9:03:15 AM EDT
[#16]

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IBTNIRATTGD

In Before The Name Gets Revealed And The Thread Gets Deleted

can we take bets on who it was?  


sure, what do I win when I'm right?
8/9/2008 9:11:58 AM EDT
[#17]
You know, just forget it.
8/9/2008 9:15:14 AM EDT
[#18]
All I know is I want my money back.  I'm sure it would be too much to ask for them to build what I want at this point.  I think people need to know about this crap though.
8/9/2008 9:15:46 AM EDT
[#19]

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I would demand a full refund, take my buisness elsewhere, and return their product packed with fecal matter


I'd skip that last part if I were you.

Might be a good way to get a felony charge of sending a dangerous substance through the mail with intent to commit harm.

The judge might decide it is up to you to prove there was no intent.  Shit can make people pretty sick.
8/9/2008 9:17:52 AM EDT
[#20]

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I would demand a full refund, take my buisness elsewhere, and return their product packed with fecal matter


I'd skip that last part if I were you.

Might be a good way to get a felony charge of sending a dangerous substance through the mail with intent to commit harm.

The judge might decide it is up to you to prove there was no intent.  Shit can make people pretty sick.
no, this company is the one who sent "shit" through the mail
8/9/2008 9:18:20 AM EDT
[#21]
My only focus would be getting my money back since they've displayed very negative characteristics thus far.

I can only imagine how much they'd try to fuck me once they found out about this thread.
8/9/2008 9:22:13 AM EDT
[#22]
Yep.  Had it happen to me.  Contacted my CC company and the state BBB where the business was located.  Everything cleared up to my satisfaction in less than three weeks
8/9/2008 9:25:12 AM EDT
[#23]

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Customer service makes or breaks a company.  There is a reason a lot of people call a problem an "opportunity."  A customer who has had a problem which was fixed quickly to their satisfaction is a loyal customer.  A customer who has problems w/ your customer service is probably an former customer.  I can't even get Cold Steel to send me the (warranty) part I need for one of my knives.  That's why I haven't bought any more of their knives. I don't intend to buy any more of their knives, and I take every opportunity to tell people not to buy from them because their customer service s*ucks.  


What he said.

I've been on the giving-crap-service end too. When you're overloaded, like a lot of AR suppliers are right now, it's easy to focus on getting orders out the door at the expense of the quality and service you built your reputation on. Good rep grows like a vine, bad rep spreads like wildfire.
8/9/2008 9:26:45 AM EDT
[#24]
IBT mods lock this for pissing off a sponsor
8/9/2008 9:28:01 AM EDT
[#25]

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yes

And I would tell every one the name of that company and what they did too.  I'll even forward some memo's to that company too.
I will when the time is right, especially since they are an industry partner here but I am giving the unnamed party the chance to make things right.


I had good experience with an industry partner here.  A friend decided to go with them and they pulled a stunt very similar to what you described.  They've lost my business and I will advise against them in the future.  I'm really curious to hear who this vendor is.  If you don't mind please email me the vendors name.
8/9/2008 9:35:38 AM EDT
[#26]
Subscribed.
8/9/2008 9:37:58 AM EDT
[#27]
I will be happy to give the info/emails/ims to any mod if anybody thinks i am bsing them.
8/9/2008 9:40:58 AM EDT
[#28]

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I will be happy to give the info/emails/ims to any mod if anybody thinks i am bsing them.


There are two sides....thats all I am saying...well I said something else already, but I take these threads...anyway....two sides...

8/9/2008 9:50:31 AM EDT
[#29]

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I will be happy to give the info/emails/ims to any mod if anybody thinks i am bsing them.


There are two sides....thats all I am saying...well I said something else already, but I take these threads...anyway....two sides...

There were no issues until it showed up wrong.  I contacted them, they said I had to pay to send it back and that I would have to pay more for the barrel I originally ordered but was quoted for and that it would be a long wait time because it would have to be ordered from elsewhere.  The problem lies in that I wanted to order right and done right away and a money order got lost for a few days, but a new one was sent right away at my extra expense for both reissue and UPS, then they sent me the wrong/incomplete order.  

Giving the customer the wrong item, after putting it and righting and then expecting them to pay for the company's mistakes is wrong.  I know, I work customer service for a large company and I wouldn't dare ask anyone to pay for my mistakes.
8/9/2008 10:43:28 AM EDT
[#30]

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I will be happy to give the info/emails/ims to any mod if anybody thinks i am bsing them.


There are two sides....thats all I am saying...well I said something else already, but I take these threads...anyway....two sides...

There were no issues until it showed up wrong.  I contacted them, they said I had to pay to send it back and that I would have to pay more for the barrel I originally ordered but was quoted for and that it would be a long wait time because it would have to be ordered from elsewhere.  The problem lies in that I wanted to order right and done right away and a money order got lost for a few days, but a new one was sent right away at my extra expense for both reissue and UPS, then they sent me the wrong/incomplete order.  

Giving the customer the wrong item, after putting it and righting and then expecting them to pay for the company's mistakes is wrong.  I know, I work customer service for a large company and I wouldn't dare ask anyone to pay for my mistakes.



Return shipping should be covered by an honorable company...or at least re-imbursed once they have a chance to verify your complaint by examining the item you returned.
8/9/2008 10:49:14 AM EDT
[#31]
Always pay with a credit card.
8/9/2008 10:50:13 AM EDT
[#32]

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Always pay with a credit card.
im no fan of credit cards
8/9/2008 10:55:52 AM EDT
[#33]

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Always pay with a credit card.
im no fan of credit cards

You wouldn't have to put up with their shit if you had of payed via CC.
Call the CC company up, dispute the charge, wait for pre-paid return label in the mail.
End of transaction... no drama.
8/9/2008 11:01:25 AM EDT
[#34]

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Always pay with a credit card.
im no fan of credit cards

You wouldn't have to put up with their shit if you had of payed via CC.
Call the CC company up, dispute the charge, wait for pre-paid return label in the mail.
End of transaction... no drama.
the better business bureau can be your friend.
8/9/2008 11:08:55 AM EDT
[#35]

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Always pay with a credit card.
im no fan of credit cards

You wouldn't have to put up with their shit if you had of payed via CC.
Call the CC company up, dispute the charge, wait for pre-paid return label in the mail.
End of transaction... no drama.


Exactly.  
8/9/2008 11:51:58 AM EDT
[#36]
Nah... I would not be pissed. I would just accept what they sent and sit in the corner nursing my wounds and pouting.

This is gonna be interesting to be sure..  lets see if they do the right thing.
8/9/2008 11:56:33 AM EDT
[#37]
Are we guessing yet?

If it's Vulcan can I LMAO and post Nelson without getting sued or beat down?  
8/9/2008 12:00:06 PM EDT
[#38]

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Are we guessing yet?

If it's Vulcan can I LMAO and post Nelson without getting sued or beat down?  
it's not vulcan
8/9/2008 12:14:35 PM EDT
[#39]

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Customer service makes or breaks a company.

That is complete BS.  That is the modern MBA method of screw the customer and if they notice that they got screwed then be pleasant when you unscrew them.  With a good company you don't know about their CS because you never have to use it.


A customer who has had a problem...

And there is the huge flaw in your business belief.  An ethical and good company wouldn't have decided to create the problem in the first place.  With a company like newegg.com five years ago (but certainly not now since they hired financial people that have ordered QC dropped) despite ordering about $500k from them I never knew if they had good or bad CS because they never screwed me so I never had to contact them.  Of course now newegg.com has a huge CS department to fix their shipping mistakes so I now order elsewhere because a good vendor wouldn't screw you in the first place by not shipping what you paid for.

In other words, money should be spent to fix the problem rather than spending money to fix the symptom.z
8/9/2008 12:16:17 PM EDT
[#40]
This sounds like my Anvil Arms story.  
8/9/2008 12:28:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Yes, definitely. Out of courtesy to you the customer they should pay for the shipping. Most businesses I've dealt with have sent me a FedEx/UPS box with a pre-filled shipping label.
8/9/2008 12:40:15 PM EDT
[#42]
sounds like you need some of my diplomacy.  I have driven as far as 3 hours to deliver some pos product back and to give them a piece of my mind.  I will usually blacklist that company and refuse to do business with them in anyway.

On a side note, it sure is fun to walk into one of these places with about 2k in cash and wave it at them and say I'm here to buy ________ and have them work like a bastard to sell it.  When I get ready to close the deal, I'll say, hey I remember you guys, you fucked so and so on his customer service!  Fuck this I'm taking my business else where, where they appreciate my business.  I prefer to do this to the manager of the store to drive the point home.

You've got to make an impression.
8/9/2008 12:47:30 PM EDT
[#43]

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sounds like you need some of my diplomacy.  I have driven as far as 3 hours to deliver some pos product back and to give them a piece of my mind.  I will usually blacklist that company and refuse to do business with them in anyway.

On a side note, it sure is fun to walk into one of these places with about 2k in cash and wave it at them and say I'm here to buy ________ and have them work like a bastard to sell it.  When I get ready to close the deal, I'll say, hey I remember you guys, you fucked so and so on his customer service!  Fuck this I'm taking my business else where, where they appreciate my business.  I prefer to do this to the manager of the store to drive the point home.

You've got to make an impression.
i will if it comes to that
8/9/2008 12:53:05 PM EDT
[#44]

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sounds like you need some of my diplomacy.  I have driven as far as 3 hours to deliver some pos product back and to give them a piece of my mind.  I will usually blacklist that company and refuse to do business with them in anyway.

On a side note, it sure is fun to walk into one of these places with about 2k in cash and wave it at them and say I'm here to buy ________ and have them work like a bastard to sell it.  When I get ready to close the deal, I'll say, hey I remember you guys, you fucked so and so on his customer service!  Fuck this I'm taking my business else where, where they appreciate my business.  I prefer to do this to the manager of the store to drive the point home.

You've got to make an impression.
i will if it comes to that


Drive to them... ??  Spikes?  Who else is in Florida??

8/9/2008 12:58:55 PM EDT
[#45]
hell yes, they should pay for return shipping.
8/9/2008 1:50:52 PM EDT
[#46]

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Customer service makes or breaks a company.

That is complete BS.  That is the modern MBA method of screw the customer and if they notice that they got screwed then be pleasant when you unscrew them.  With a good company you don't know about their CS because you never have to use it.


A customer who has had a problem...

And there is the huge flaw in your business belief.  An ethical and good company wouldn't have decided to create the problem in the first place.  With a company like newegg.com five years ago (but certainly not now since they hired financial people that have ordered QC dropped) despite ordering about $500k from them I never knew if they had good or bad CS because they never screwed me so I never had to contact them.  Of course now newegg.com has a huge CS department to fix their shipping mistakes so I now order elsewhere because a good vendor wouldn't screw you in the first place by not shipping what you paid for.

In other words, money should be spent to fix the problem rather than spending money to fix the symptom.z


I'm not talking about being happy because the company unscrews you.  I'm saying that when a good company has a problem, they *FIX* it right away to the customer's satisfaction.  Problems happen at any company.  I'm not talking problems the company "decided to create."  I talking about mistakes, or defective product.  
8/9/2008 1:56:44 PM EDT
[#47]
I had a bad situation with an online vendor, there was a screw up with the part# on their website, that was wrong on vendors website. After I received the wrong part I called vendor and said they sent me the wrong item. They said ship it back and swap it with correct part#. So I wait a week UPS guy shows up, I open box, and WTF its wrong again Well come to find out it was the manufactures fault for providing vendors with the wrong part# it was not the fault of the vendor, so after the third time I finally got the handguards that I wanted

Blowing your top won't solve your problem IMHO
8/9/2008 2:03:09 PM EDT
[#48]

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sounds like you need some of my diplomacy.  I have driven as far as 3 hours to deliver some pos product back and to give them a piece of my mind.  -snip-
You've got to make an impression.


Kinda reminds me of a time when I bought a product, a very expensivce product for a performance car build.

The product SUCKED!! it did not work right and I had to tear the engine down 3 times to diagnose the issue because I assumed they made a good product... it must have been something I did wrong, right?

Well i went with another companies "version" of the same product and it worked wonderfully the first time around.

Company "H" we will call them told me they would not take their expensive product back and would not refund my money.. oooooK.

They said to ship it back to them to "test".. alright I will. I figured they would see their engineering was full of fail and at least refund my money.

Heard nothing for weeks... then I got a box dropped off at my house in PA.

It was the "part" with a note saying it worked fine and to have a nice day they were finished.

They would not even talk to me after that and made every effort to avoid all communications.

I filed the part in my garage where it languished for about 3 years.

When I moved to FL I made a special trip about 300 miles out of the way to "deliver" their faulty product back to them in the weee hours of the morning.

Lets just say.. it would have been easier for them to refund the money.
8/9/2008 2:15:15 PM EDT
[#49]
If a mail order company ships you something you did not order you have no obligation to pay for it or pay return shipping.


You have an obligation to let them know you received something that belongs to them and where they can pick it up. After that they can send a call tag or or come to your house to pick it up.
8/9/2008 2:54:13 PM EDT
[#50]

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If a mail order company ships you something you did not order you have no obligation to pay for it or pay return shipping.


You have an obligation to let them know you received something that belongs to them and where they can pick it up. After that they can send a call tag or or come to your house to pick it up.

They will find out monday.
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