Posted: 8/4/2008 3:30:24 PM EDT
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I was at a local gun store today, being helped by a young guy. I figured him for 18 or so. Turns out he was 16. I was looking at Sigs and he noticed the P226 I open carry. Him: "What Sig are you carrying?" Me: "P226." Him: "Is it unloaded?" Me: "No." Him: "Oh. You need to unload it. There's a sign on the door." Me: "I thought that was if it was going to come out of the holster. I've open carried here many times before. That guy (I point to another employee) even complimented me on my 1911, which was cocked and locked." Him: "Well you need to unload it. We have to know you won't shoot someone." Yes, those were his words. Me: "OK. I'll just take my business somewhere else." I start to walk away. Him: "Sir, wait." He asks the employee I'd pointed out if it was OK for me to carry. The guy says yes. At least the kid apologized afterward.  I ended up putting a deposit on a beautiful, almost new condition West German P228 that wasn't available for sale yet.
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I wouldn't have a problem with any of it except him saying that he was concerned that I would shoot someone. |
Well, he said he was 16. There was a girl, 13 or so, rearranging the 1911s. Child slaves? |
Probably family of the owner out of school for the summer. |
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Sounds like a good kid just trying to follow company policy. Not his fault the sign's on the door. This might be his first job, and he was just trying to do what a boss told him. I have to respect any kid that age w/ a job. Even if some of them aggravate me sometimes. |
I cant blame him. Not a reflection on you, but in my time working behind the counter in a gun shop, I had many people that I wanted to make sure were not going to shoot anyone. Sounds like he was learned from his gaffe. |
I never called BS and I'm sure the the girl (I put trust in your words) was 13 but I gotta ask was she hot and did you get pics? Just playing, 
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I worked in a gun store too. I always handed weapons to customers with the actions open and the chamber in plain view. I also never flagged a customer or fellow employee. This kid cleared several guns while waving them around and flagging my chest numerous times. I also never told a customer that I was concerned about them shooting anyone. If I was, I would not hand them any of the firearms I had behind the counter. |
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My Brother-in-law's wife's ex (get that through your head) runs a gunshop somewhere in Cleveland. My BIL and his wife share custody of their kids with this ex. He often has them travel to gun shows with him and work the show with him. They also work in the gun store with their dad on some occasions. Its funny because I can hold a gun conversation with these kids and the oldest is 14. |
You might want to check your facts on that one buddy, pretty sure it just cant have a threaded barrel and more than 20 round mag, but otherwise here in the Common Wealth you can carry LOADED. |
Family store? |
Yeah that's what I figure. The kid was otherwise pretty knowledgeable and I'd talked to him before this, I go to this store once or twice a month. I was open carrying then and he hadn't said anything to me about it...lol... |
Many states will allow you to work and sale gun and ammunition if you posess a waiver/note saying you are allowed to by your parents. Many stores unless they are family owned will not hire you because of liability reasons though. |
You're wrong on 2 accounts here: First, unless they changed the labor laws, I'm pretty sure 16 can work a cash register. I was working (100% legally) at a local hardware store while in high school, and I was 16. Of course, that was a few years ago. Second, don't ever post a "just playing" comment asking if a 13 year old girl is "hot" and if he "got pics" ever again. Those types of comments don't belong on this site, General Discussion or not. |
Thats why they don't want loaded guns in the shop, you may shoot someone. He may not have meant to come off like you may do it in a blind rage, but accidents happen. |
Let me put it this way, any gun store that doesn't allow its customers to carry is not a business I want to deal with. The Sportsman's Warehouse I worked at allowed loaded carry, open or concealed, as long as it didn't come out of the holster. That's a rule I'm 100% OK with. |
Me too. If it comes out of the holster, you unload it... into a BG. |
Ok Mr. lapdance. I'll never ask that again. but the can' t be bonded part I'll rest my case. I will now hope I have done what will help you sleep better because I'll be keeping GD inline with your views. |
I thought you said they WERE cool with you carrying, and the kid was wrong. I just mean the kid probably didn't mean to imply you would shoot on purpose. |
So it's ok to ask questions promoting things of a criminal sexual conduct nature? I'll sleep fine, I'm not the one hinting at pedophilia. |
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I wouldn't let you carry in my shop if we were open to the public unless I knew you well as a customer. I have seen and heard of bad shit happening over the years. There have been ND's, folks pulling out their firearms ALL THE TIME, a gangbanger try to attack an employee to get his yellow form back after it was denied (that did not work out well for him), inummerable cries of racism and personal threats on employees, and so on and so on. With dozens of firearms being waived around constantly - many of them by idiots who make a point of sweeping everyone in the shop and showing no respect for the products - no loaded firearms sounds like a great policy to me. YMMV, and it may be different on the other end of the counter. |
Fine, go to sleep. |
While I don't open carry, if someone told me I couldn't in their gun store, I would take my money elsewhere. |
Idiots will violate any rule. I looked down the barrel of a loaded XD-45 at Sportsman's once. I think that the "no weapons out of holsters" rule is a good one. |
Did they change the sign or is this just the way they enforce their policy? I have been mostly avoiding Murphy's for years because the sign does not have any exceptions, and I hate removing my CCW to go into a gun store. |
I have open carried there many many times. Over a dozen. There were 2 or 3 people open carrying besides myself and they both appeared to have magazines inserted. Never been challenged before and nobody else was challenged today. A change of sign might be in order. |
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I never gave a shit if someone open carried in my store just keep it in the fucking holster really the only time I had a problem or a concern was with some uniformed LEOs they wanted to see if a USA mags in our bargain bin would fit their berettas one dropped this mag but did not clear the chamber and sweep the shit out of me and half the store with their finger on the trigger the other cop said jesus christ WTF are you doing  at about the same as I said would you PLEASE not point your loaded weapon at me another was a couple armored car guys in the corner trying holsters with their loaded glocks most guys that carried LEOs armorcar/mall ninjas/CCW etc were useally nice enough to ask before whipping their shit out all the other times were just when people handed me a loaded weapon they wanted to sell, trade or get repaired that happened about once a week I'm guessing the sign about please unload your weapons was about that situation and not for people carrying |