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7/28/2008 8:06:01 PM EDT
everyone and their mother talks about SHTF ammo/gun this and SHTF ammo/gun that.

i want to know if anyone firsthandedly had to use their weapon in a real SHTF scenario(i.e. Hurricane Katrina). does anyone have any articles of a person using his/her weapon in a SHTF scenario?

now dont get me wrong, I am prepared to protect myself and family in a SHTF moment, I am prepared for the worst, but i hope for the best.

but in reality has it ever happend?
7/28/2008 8:07:40 PM EDT
[#1]
South Central Riots

ETA - No, I wasn't there, so it may not meet the "1st hand" criteria you request. But it's an example.

IIRCso was the Loma Prieta quake. I had a customer who was originally from CA who worked for the DOJ and she said that there was a significant amount of looting in the first hours after the quake.
7/28/2008 8:08:28 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm sure some members from Louisiana could give you a few instances
7/28/2008 8:09:07 PM EDT
[#3]
Those Koreans during the L.A. riots. Don't know if shots were fired, but using them as a deterrent is still using them.
7/28/2008 8:10:17 PM EDT
[#4]
Can't remember the guy, but some some guy used an M16 (automatic) and took out 3 or 4 shitbags breaking into his store. Was like 4 on 1 and they had a vehicle as well.

Want to say his name was Tom something, was the late 70s.
7/28/2008 8:10:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Not too long ago the wife of a member shot at a burglar.  That is a mini-SHTF, but it counts.
7/28/2008 8:10:51 PM EDT
[#6]

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Those Koreans during the L.A. riots. Don't know if shots were fired, but using them as a deterrent is still using them.
They were shooting people in the parking lots. They certainly fired them.
7/28/2008 8:12:41 PM EDT
[#7]
In the past, I remember seeing people walking around carrying rifles/shotguns after big tornadoes.
7/28/2008 8:13:01 PM EDT
[#8]

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I'm sure some members from Louisiana could give you a few instances


+1, definately was SHTF.   Not in the same way for me though, I was on the USS Iwo Jima moored downtown for the relief efforts.   We got there a few hours after Katrina went through.   Heard/saw enough for me though =\  When guys from the 82nd/10th Mountain (don't remember which it was) say they'd rather go back to Iraq than "do this shit" that should give you an idea how bad it was.
7/28/2008 8:13:04 PM EDT
[#9]
This is an amazingly stable country.
7/28/2008 8:13:31 PM EDT
[#10]
tag
7/28/2008 8:13:58 PM EDT
[#11]
RED DAWN



SS
7/28/2008 8:16:33 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

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Those Koreans during the L.A. riots. Don't know if shots were fired, but using them as a deterrent is still using them.
They were shooting people in the parking lots. They certainly fired them.


Yeap, they were aiming and shooting. I dont think they were aiming for there tires either
7/28/2008 8:24:24 PM EDT
[#13]
AFAIK... no .mil came to NOLA after Katrina, except LANG.

The Governor did request help from LEO and SO from as far away as Nevada and Utah, as Laplace was a large staging ground for going into NOLA, I saw much of that first hand.
7/28/2008 8:52:44 PM EDT
[#14]
is this all ya'll have?
7/28/2008 8:57:01 PM EDT
[#15]
There was an arf member during Katrina that was part of his streets patrol and shot at a car full of unsavory people when they didnt want to leave.

A thread somewhere I forget where I read it.
7/28/2008 8:58:33 PM EDT
[#16]

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There was an arf member during Katrina that was part of his streets patrol and shot at a car full of unsavory people when they didnt want to leave.

A thread somewhere I forget where I read it.


this is the kind of info i want to hear
7/28/2008 8:58:34 PM EDT
[#17]
Have I fired?  No.  Was the presence a possible deterrent?  Probably.

People up to no good tend to look at you differently when there is a rifle slung over your shoulder.
7/28/2008 9:01:25 PM EDT
[#18]

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There was an arf member during Katrina that was part of his streets patrol and shot at a car full of unsavory people when they didnt want to leave.

A thread somewhere I forget where I read it.


this is the kind of info i want to hear


Check the Survival forum or the Louisiana forum for the thread. It has been a while since I read it.
7/28/2008 9:03:27 PM EDT
[#19]
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Those Koreans during the L.A. riots. Don't know if shots were fired, but using them as a deterrent is still using them.


Funny you say that.  I was watching a clip on those, and one thing that was mentioned was that within a year, most of those asian shop keepers were killed by the black gang members they tried to stop.  Sweet justice eh?
7/28/2008 9:03:59 PM EDT
[#20]
Florida members are bound to have been armed following each hurricane.
7/28/2008 9:06:25 PM EDT
[#21]

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Can't remember the guy, but some some guy used an M16 (automatic) and took out 3 or 4 shitbags breaking into his store. Was like 4 on 1 and they had a vehicle as well.

Want to say his name was Tom something, was the late 70s.


Think it was a s&w 76, not sure.
7/28/2008 9:10:26 PM EDT
[#22]
I think for 99% of people SHTF is a way to mentally justify spending money on this hobby, when truth be told, it would be better spent on smoke alarms, side airbags, insurance policies, gym memberships, prostate exams, fresh produce etc.

Now a CCW type scenario is way more likely, yet people always go on about how useless handguns are
7/28/2008 9:10:48 PM EDT
[#23]

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Those Koreans during the L.A. riots. Don't know if shots were fired, but using them as a deterrent is still using them.


Funny you say that.  I was watching a clip on those, and one thing that was mentioned was that within a year, most of those asian shop keepers were killed by the black gang members they tried to stop.  Sweet justice eh?


If that last bit's supposed to be a joke, it ain't funny.
7/28/2008 9:18:43 PM EDT
[#24]

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There was an arf member during Katrina that was part of his streets patrol and shot at a car full of unsavory people when they didnt want to leave.

A thread somewhere I forget where I read it.


this is the kind of info i want to hear


Check the Survival forum or the Louisiana forum for the thread. It has been a while since I read it.


IIRC there were no shots fired but it was close. The member is ShaneS and there are two threads in the SF of it. One is "listening to Katrina" it should link Shanes blog for all the details.

ETA for links:
Listening To Katrina  

Hurricane katrina, et.al, and LA Riots Survivor Question  
7/28/2008 9:19:18 PM EDT
[#25]

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Can't remember the guy, but some some guy used an M16 (automatic) and took out 3 or 4 shitbags breaking into his store. Was like 4 on 1 and they had a vehicle as well.

Want to say his name was Tom something, was the late 70s.


Think it was a s&w 76, not sure.


The case was written up by Ayoob in American Handgunner in the last few years. I'm 99% sure he had both an M-16 correction it was an AR-15 and a S&W 76 (insert arfcom joke here.)
He ran one or the other dry and switched over both were definitely used in the shootout.

ETA Linkage:
www.afn.org/~guns/ayoob.html
7/28/2008 9:21:52 PM EDT
[#26]

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There was an arf member during Katrina that was part of his streets patrol and shot at a car full of unsavory people when they didnt want to leave.

A thread somewhere I forget where I read it.


this is the kind of info i want to hear


The member is ShaneS and he has posted the story in the Survival Forum.  He also has an ongoing thread about his Katrina BLOG (an excellent read BTW).  That story is not yet up on the Blog.
7/28/2008 9:26:56 PM EDT
[#27]

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Can't remember the guy, but some some guy used an M16 (automatic) and took out 3 or 4 shitbags breaking into his store. Was like 4 on 1 and they had a vehicle as well.

Want to say his name was Tom something, was the late 70s.


Think it was a s&w 76, not sure.


The case was written up by Ayoob in American Handgunner in the last few years. I'm 99% sure he had both an M-16 and a S&W 76(insert arfcom joke here.)
He ran one or the other dry and switched over both were definitely used in the shootout.


I remember reading about that here and it was an AR- not FA M16, and the FA S&W. It was a good story. I don't think he killed them all. I recall the story saying he intentionally fired over their heads to scare them and emptied the AR at the car that was running straight at him. IIRC he had a shotty stashed as another back up to run to. I can't find the story yet. He was a gun shop owner and heard his alarm at the shop going off. Was it in FL?

-JC

-JC
7/28/2008 9:33:08 PM EDT
[#28]

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In the past, I remember seeing people walking around carrying rifles/shotguns after big tornadoes.
Done it myself several times.
7/28/2008 9:34:08 PM EDT
[#29]
double tap
7/28/2008 9:41:49 PM EDT
[#30]

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I'm sure some members from Louisiana could give you a few instances



I recall being in Baton Rouge the day after Katrina. Gun stores were being burglarized and people were running around like animals. I volunteered my services (medical) at the River Center and witnessed the carnage first-hand. Missing limbs, blood everywhere.. bodies.

Power was out for days. I witnessed APC's and helos patrolling the area. It was a moment when you really weren't sure what was going on. Cell phone towers gave priority to law enforcement/medical services; so needless to say I had no service to contact my parents.


My HK USP45 went everywhere I went. I'm thankful for the Second without a doubt.
7/28/2008 9:47:45 PM EDT
[#31]

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Can't remember the guy, but some some guy used an M16 (automatic) and took out 3 or 4 shitbags breaking into his store. Was like 4 on 1 and they had a vehicle as well.

Want to say his name was Tom something, was the late 70s.


Think it was a s&w 76, not sure.


The case was written up by Ayoob in American Handgunner in the last few years. I'm 99% sure he had both an M-16 and a S&W 76(insert arfcom joke here.)
He ran one or the other dry and switched over both were definitely used in the shootout.


I remember reading about that here and it was an AR- not FA M16, and the FA S&W. It was a good story. I don't think he killed them all. I recall the story saying he intentionally fired over their heads to scare them and emptied the AR at the car that was running straight at him. IIRC he had a shotty stashed as another back up to run to. I can't find the story yet. He was a gun shop owner and heard his alarm at the shop going off. Was it in FL?

-JC

-JC


Yea and he only loaded 15 or 18 rounds in 20rd AR mags....the 1970's - everyone was fucked up.
7/28/2008 10:02:17 PM EDT
[#32]

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There was an arf member during Katrina that was part of his streets patrol and shot at a car full of unsavory people when they didnt want to leave.

A thread somewhere I forget where I read it.


this is the kind of info i want to hear


ShaneS

This is what he said:


Nothing glorious or even particularly exciting. 1 was a warning shot. Six were to dispatch stray critters (not snakes...2 dogs, 1 cat, 3 raccoons). I was the only person in my neighborhood to fire any shots at all, and whenever something needed shooting, I was called for. The neighbors are kind of squeamish or something. Lived in the city too long...

I did enjoy the warning shot. I was on night watch at the end of the block. Mr. Bonnin had blocked the ends of the street with cars, and set us all on a watch schedule. Mr. Bonnin is a WWII vet who has no uncertain ideas about what to do when the zombies rise... A car of suspicious nature pulled up, and I had my Mossberg abomination on a sling loaded with 3" slugs. (Bonnin eventually made me quit dicking with the shotgun and get my rifle 'like a real man'...but I like the slugs for penetrating vehicles...) As the car rolled up, I got a grip on the weapon, stepped behind one of the vehicles for cover, and the car turned when I hit them with the light. Four young males meeting the 'looter' description were in the car, and the driver started a conversation with me.

"Yo! What you got the street blocked fo?"

"You guys don't live in this neighborhood, do you?"

"Yo! What you got a gun fo? You lookin' to shoot somebody? You think we scared of that? You shit ain't even loaded!"

Since I was tired of the conversation, and it wasn't going to go anywhere but down hill, I pulled the trigger and sent a slug into the grass just to the left of me, cycled the gun, and pointed it at the car. The drivers eyes went buggy and he hit the gas. I did hear, "MOTHER F**KER IS CRAZY!"

The shot served several purposes. It cut out the bullshit, stopped them from continuing to talk themselves into doing something, and let me immediately gague how far these guys wanted to go. The next one was going into the car if they wanted to play. More importantly, though, it served as a signal and in less than 30 seconds, I had other armed men to support me.

Mr. Bonnin thought I should have just shot them, but he has issues...
7/28/2008 10:09:07 PM EDT
[#33]

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Florida members are bound to have been armed following each hurricane.


Not all of us have been in SHTF situations (obviously), but the sentiment is totally true.
7/28/2008 11:06:47 PM EDT
[#34]
Remenber the group of people/family & the old man that told news reporters "Let the police try to disarm us. Let them try"
Katrina.
7/29/2008 3:45:01 AM EDT
[#35]
Never needed to draw (thank the Lord), but I carried constantly while services (power, water, phone, etc.) were being restored after Isabelle went through Tidewater VA.  And until the power was restored, I slept during the day and watched over my family at night.

I still remember the cheering when the power came back and the a/c kicked in...  
7/29/2008 4:19:10 AM EDT
[#36]
Anyone have a link to the guy who owns the 2.5 ton truck?  He took his WWII era duce and a half from his home in TX and drove it to his friend's home in New Orleans.  He delivered all kinds of supplies, used an overturned compact car as a plow to clear streets, got into one gunfight, and had all his perscriptions stolen when he was delivering food and water.  It's an awsome read.
7/29/2008 4:30:28 AM EDT
[#37]

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AFAIK... no .mil came to NOLA after Katrina, except LANG.

The Governor did request help from LEO and SO from as far away as Nevada and Utah, as Laplace was a large staging ground for going into NOLA, I saw much of that first hand.



I didn't know that the 82nd Airborne that were marching thru downtown were part of the LAANG.
President sent in the active duty regular Army and the National Guard from lots of states to help get control of New Orleans. My unit from the Illinois Army National Guard went there.

President could not send them in earlier, because the President has to wait until requested by state authorities according to law. The state Governor waited until the SHTF to call, and then it was too late for many.

Use the internet and do a little research.
7/29/2008 6:54:44 AM EDT
[#38]
Here's a link to the 2.5 ton story.
7/29/2008 8:59:02 AM EDT
[#39]

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Here's a link to the 2.5 ton story.


i just read that entire article. all i can say is ...
7/29/2008 9:10:21 AM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:
AFAIK... no .mil came to NOLA after Katrina, except LANG.

The Governor did request help from LEO and SO from as far away as Nevada and Utah, as Laplace was a large staging ground for going into NOLA, I saw much of that first hand.


I was there with the TXARNG.  So were units from damn near every state, the 82nd Airborne and 1st Cavalry Division.  I hardly saw any LAARNG troops.  I was in the Algiers area and my unit was bivouacked at the Navy installation around Algiers Point, with the 82nd.
7/29/2008 10:10:27 AM EDT
[#41]

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Here's a link to the 2.5 ton story.


Jesus Christ!  What a badass!!
7/29/2008 10:23:28 AM EDT
[#42]

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Those Koreans during the L.A. riots. Don't know if shots were fired, but using them as a deterrent is still using them.


Funny you say that.  I was watching a clip on those, and one thing that was mentioned was that within a year, most of those asian shop keepers were killed by the black gang members they tried to stop.  Sweet justice eh?


If that last bit's supposed to be a joke, it ain't funny.


My guess: DU troll.
7/29/2008 10:34:31 AM EDT
[#43]

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Those Koreans during the L.A. riots. Don't know if shots were fired, but using them as a deterrent is still using them.


Funny you say that.  I was watching a clip on those, and one thing that was mentioned was that within a year, most of those asian shop keepers were killed by the black gang members they tried to stop.  Sweet justice eh?


Are you Section or does my sarcasm meter need a new battery?
7/29/2008 12:58:06 PM EDT
[#44]
I'm still planning on bugging in if there's a SHTF.  Food, water, shelter, family, and means of transportaiton in case it goes bad.  Not to mention, no police officers taking shots at me for walking around in camo with a rifle.
7/29/2008 1:09:11 PM EDT
[#45]

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Those Koreans during the L.A. riots. Don't know if shots were fired, but using them as a deterrent is still using them.


Funny you say that.  I was watching a clip on those, and one thing that was mentioned was that within a year, most of those asian shop keepers were killed by the black gang members they tried to stop.  Sweet justice eh?


If that last bit's supposed to be a joke, it ain't funny.


My guess: DU troll.


Or sarcasm.