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Posted: 11/25/2001 5:10:47 PM EDT
I think I caught this bug at my university... This foreigner has just finished explaining to me that foreigners are justified in hating the CIA and America got a cosmic payback for WTC attack...[puke] After hearing all this crap, I finally said, "Look, I haven't complained to these foreigners about their disgraceful and unacceptable habits of: corruption, woman-beating, socialism, jealousy-of-America's-wealth, whining, & etc. I have a live and let-live attitude towards them. "But, my problem comes when they act on their grievances, sneak over and blow stuff up. Then we have to kill all of them." He was taken aback as this sank in. He then offered some justifications for hating America, so I continued... "When they attack us, we will have to go over there and blow them to bits, flatten everything in sight, napalm them, toasting them till they are crispy critters..." At this stage, not finding a receptive audience to his America-bashing, he fled. Makes my xenophobia bone tingle. ------ Peace through Strength -- No Prisoners.
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Link Posted: 11/25/2001 5:19:16 PM EDT
I can uunderstand why they hate us but if they are pissed at the CIA they shold have flown a plane into Langley instead of a bunch of office stiffs.
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 5:56:29 PM EDT
I don't give a rat's rear [b]why[/b] they hate us, any more than I care about the motivation or family social history of the criminal who commits a crime against me or mine! If they send civilians to their deaths, then we should send them to their deaths, and [u]trying[/u] to figure out [u]why[/u] they did it means that there may be an actual excuse for what they did! Which there isn't! They know [u]that[/u], I know [u]that[/u], you know [u]that[/u]! End of story! Eric The(GetOverThisOverrationalizationOfIt-CrazyMenDoCrazyThings!Period!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 6:25:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: I don't give a rat's rear [b]why[/b] they hate us, any more than I care about the motivation or family social history of the criminal who commits a crime against me or mine! If they send civilians to their deaths, then we should send them to their deaths, and [u]trying[/u] to figure out [u]why[/u] they did it means that there may be an actual excuse for what they did! Which there isn't! They know [u]that[/u], I know [u]that[/u], you know [u]that[/u]! End of story! Eric The(GetOverThisOverrationalizationOfIt-CrazyMenDoCrazyThings!Period!)Hun[>]:)]
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To defeat your enemy, you must know your enemy. Saying the are crazy, and insane does us know service. it only avoids the question. And asking WHY they did something does not automatically mean we are EXCUSING what they did. Where does that idea come from? Who said that let's find out why they did it, because that would excuse them. At least on the libertarian side, they all have said that they accomplices need to be punished. Our beef is that the if we don't ask why they did it and see if there is a way to chance that, then more terrorism will be the result. Let's say a criminal steals because he is poor. Why did he steal? because he is poor. Can we fix that? Well, the government can't, but maybe the private sector can. So, there isn't anything that the government can do to help him. And of couse this criminal must be punished. Now, these terrorist flew a plane and killed thousands. Why did they do it? Not because they are crazy(because crazy people still have reasons why they do it, regardless of if they are right), not because the hate our culture(which they do, but is not relevant), but because we have bombed them, killed them, coerced them, supported tyrannical regimes, and, made them poor(which isn't true, so there is nothing we can do). Now, we must find a way to fix this. Well, first the criminals must be punished. If we are fighting a state, then Congress should declare war. If we are fighting individuals, then Congress should grant letters of marque and reprisals. At the same time, we must start by re-evaluating our foreign policy, and our military policy. We must stop all foreign aid, pull back all troops(except the ones who are fighting the war), and end alliances with all countries. Favor toward none, peace with all, to paraphrase Thomas Jefferson.
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 6:35:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 6:41:49 PM EDT
Post from libertyof76 -
To defeat your enemy, you must know your enemy. Saying the are crazy, and insane does us know service. it only avoids the question.
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How many friggin times do we have to chase around this friggin bush?????? We [b]know[/b] why they hate us, they tell us why every friggin chance they get!!!! I've been paying attention to the point I want to throw up. Why keep beating this dead horse any further? What are [u]your[/u] motives? DOES ANYONE HERE NEED ANY FURTHER EXPLANATIONS FOR WHY THESE FRIGGIN CRETINS HATE US? If so, please see me after class, so as not to disrupt those who do understand the answer! Eric The(NeedISayMore?)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 6:43:33 PM EDT
Ty defeat our enemy, we must destroy our enemy. It is because we have become far too soft and do not kill and remove our enemies that we ended up in this situation, IMO. I fully agree with the comments made by Eric The Hun in his post. Tyler
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 6:50:12 PM EDT
Lib of 76 I agree with you up to the point where you want us to withdraw all of are troops and stopping foreign aid. We do rely on several things from the rest of the world primarily oil. If we don't try to direct other countries to fulfill our interests via military might or giving them aid someone else will. We just need to evaluate our choices better.
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 7:20:11 PM EDT
I can't believe what I'm reading here -Lib and jimbeam- my God. If it wasn't for us and our economy the arab nations would not have any wealth, right? We are the ones that buy their oil. In fact, if it wasn't for America this whole earth would be a 3rd world planet [so to speak]. Listen to the terrorist and make better choices in the future--get to know our enemy-BS guys. You ought to pull your head out of your asses along with all the islamic nations and start breathing some fresh air. The world owes us for their survival and their continued survival. Every nation on this planet owes us. We as a Nation will do WHAT we want to do, WHEN we want to do it and as OFTEN as we want to do it for OUR continued survival. We should make no apoligies for anything and we shouldn't care how the poor arab,islamic "feels" about it. O.K. I'm finished.
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 7:25:08 PM EDT
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Rainman I agree we should do what we want I am just saying we need to make better choices when it comes to our foreign policy.
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 7:28:42 PM EDT
You mean go along with the terrorists demands. Abandon Israel?
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 7:33:14 PM EDT
They don't have to LOVE us...... FEARing us will suffice..... [50] Bulldog OUT
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 7:38:08 PM EDT
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You mean go along with the terrorists demands. Abandon Israel?
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That's precisely what 'they' want! And some there are that actually contemplate giving that to them! In exchange for what? Some sort of [i][b]Pax Arabica[/b][/i]? Eric The(Yeah,That'llWorkJustFine!-Not)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 7:49:23 PM EDT
Think of all the terrorism we would see in this country if we knuckled under and gave into their demands. Never give into the demands terrorists. It only causes more terror. I wish I could say that all our "recent" presidents have felt that way, but alas, I cannot. [;)]
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 10:28:59 PM EDT
To defeat your enemy, you must know your enemy. Saying the are crazy, and insane does us know service. it only avoids the question. And asking WHY they did something does not automatically mean we are EXCUSING what they did. Where does that idea come from? Who said that let's find out why they did it, because that would excuse them. At least on the libertarian side, they all have said that they accomplices need to be punished. Our beef is that the if we don't ask why they did it and see if there is a way to chance that, then more terrorism will be the result. Let's say a criminal steals because he is poor. Why did he steal? because he is poor. Can we fix that? Well, the government can't, but maybe the private sector can. So, there isn't anything that the government can do to help him. And of couse this criminal must be punished. Now, these terrorist flew a plane and killed thousands. Why did they do it? Not because they are crazy(because crazy people still have reasons why they do it, regardless of if they are right), not because the hate our culture(which they do, but is not relevant), but because we have bombed them, killed them, coerced them, supported tyrannical regimes, and, made them poor(which isn't true, so there is nothing we can do). Now, we must find a way to fix this. Well, first the criminals must be punished. If we are fighting a state, then Congress should declare war. If we are fighting individuals, then Congress should grant letters of marque and reprisals. At the same time, we must start by re-evaluating our foreign policy, and our military policy. We must stop all foreign aid, pull back all troops(except the ones who are fighting the war), and end alliances with all countries. Favor toward none, peace with all, to paraphrase Thomas Jefferson.
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Sorry, but this is some of the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Who gives a sh*t why they hate us? What we need to work on now, is turning their hatred of us into a lasting fear of us and what we will do if our citizens are attacked.
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 10:52:37 PM EDT
Pieces of shit, F them! They love to exercise free speech when their splineless coward asses want to bitch and moan about this Greatest of Countries US! Bitch slap that turd like the spineless bitch that he is. In fact we all when given the opportunity (no witnesses) bitch slap every liberal turd out there let alone the ungrateful forgien Fuks that are totally anti US! Time to take them out. I still have to ask this question who let them in? And why aren't we kicking them out? These recent immigrants(past 20 yrs) don't have any inclination to serve this country let alone fight and or die for it/US! Its like this if your a European (same people that built and fought for etc. this US,,and and oh my God am I wrong for stating this? Am I some how now considered a racist etc. ? NOT! just telling it like it is ) getting back to the foriegn turds,,they don't have US in their interests,,I don't trust them on a whole,,tough shit! the couple that might be ok have to be bright enough to realize this fact,,and take what ever for the benefit of US the US. I'm tired of hearing of Arab Americans bitching about being victums of profileing,,come on if people that are a threat to US look similar to me then pull me the fuk over for the good of US,,I won't be the happiest,,but this is the price one has to pay,,in fact if that this all all one has to go through for the benefit of their country then it pales to what others have gone through in the past etc,, ie. getting your ass shot in a war is a hell of alot worse. I can't imagine why these bitching Arab Americans are complaining,,why are thery not running to the recruiters out there like the immigrants of the past,,and Why? Why? don't they state that they are Americans of Arab decent? getting pulled over and detained is a small price to pay for the wellbeing of US!
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 11:08:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By IronMike: getting pulled over and detained is a small price to pay for the wellbeing of US!
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Ever hear of Ben Franklin? Like I said before, you will think this is fine and dandy UNTIL you are in the next group of "suspects". Ask oneshot if he feels that what he is going through is "a small price to pay for the wellbeing of US".
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 4:39:25 AM EDT
Rainman I never said give in to terrorist. I in fact beleive that we should never meet the demands of terrorist since it would encourage them to act again. I am saying that we need to realize that the choices we make may piss others off. Does that mean that we shouldn't do things that piss other off? NO My post was in responce to Libs view that we should isolate ourselves from the rest of the World. I didn't agree with him.
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 5:21:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Post from rainman -
You mean go along with the terrorists demands. Abandon Israel?
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That's precisely what 'they' want! And some there are that actually contemplate giving that to them! In exchange for what? Some sort of [i][b]Pax Arabica[/b][/i]? Eric The(Yeah,That'llWorkJustFine!-Not)Hun[>]:)]
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I don't think that's entirely accurate. Our foreign policy regarding Israel has some serious problems in that we allow Israel to do whatever the hell they want with complete impunity. That is what pisses people off. Where else in the world is firing live ammunition on rock-throwers acceptable by our "civilized" standards?
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 5:25:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Zardoz: Sorry, but this is some of the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Who gives a sh*t why they hate us?
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I give a shit, and if we want to avoid this sort of thing in the future then we all better give a shit. I'm not saying that we shouldn't go blow the criminals to hell, but I am saying that while we are doing that, we better start asking ourselves some questions. There's a difference between caving in to terrorist demands and re-evaluating our current foreign policy on all fronts (not just in the Middle East).
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 6:04:56 AM EDT
This is AMERICA the most powerful nation on earth, and the most generous in feeding the world's needy. We have no reason to hang our heads or kiss the ass of the worthless vermin that infest much of this planet. IMHO we need to remove the infestation. If we show a level of violence and death of adequate magnitude the vermin will puke with fear - and leave US alone. Had we shown the proper resolve to kill the MF vermin in the past we would not be in this situation now. Your enemy, when dead, is not a threat.
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 6:20:00 AM EDT
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Never give into the demands terrorists. It only causes more terror. I wish I could say that all our "recent" presidents have felt that way, but alas, I cannot.
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If you're including in that list President Ronald Reagan, then that's not correct. The 'dealing with terrorists' charge is a limp attempt by the liberal media to try to portray Mr. Reagan as a liar who said one thing in public and yet operated in a totally different way in private. The 'terrorists' with whom Reagan's men were dealing were 'moderates' in the government of Iran, a sovereign nation. Iran was seen as the chief supporter and supplier of the terrorist groups that were responsible for the abductions and kidnappings of American civilians in Lebanon. It was thought that by opening a dialogue with these 'moderates' in Teheran, the release of the American citizens could be obtained by the Iranians. The price? Anti-tank missiles and replacement parts for anti-tank missiles that could [u]never[/u] be used in any manner against the interests of the United States. The deal fell through, but not on account of any mishandling on the Reagan Administration's part, but due to the fact that the 'moderates' were never able to produce any satisfactory evidence that they could win the release of the American hostages in Lebanon. And what about the illegal 'funding' of the Contras in Nicaragua? Despite strong opposition by the Reagan administration, the Democratic-controlled Congress enacted legislation, known as the 'Boland amendments', that prohibited the Defense Dept., the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or any other government agency from providing military aid to the contras from Dec., 1983, to Sept., 1985. The Reagan administration circumvented these limitations by using the National Security Council (NSC), which was not explicitly covered by the law, to supervise covert military aid to the contras. Under Robert McFarlane (1983–85) and John Poindexter (1985–86) the NSC raised private and foreign funds for the contras. This operation was directed by NSC staffer Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North. McFarlane and North were also the central figures in the plan to secretly ship arms to Iran despite a U.S. trade and arms embargo. What about all the laws that were broken? Well, no one was ever convicted of violating the Boland Amendments, but several were convicted of 'lying to Congress.' The main players had their convictions overturned by the Courts, the remainder were pardoned by Pres. Bush in December, 1992. Eric The(IfMeOrMineWereEverTakenHostage,I'dWantPre­s.ReaganToHandleItTheSameWay!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 1:47:18 PM EDT
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Americans have an unspoken understanding with each other-- that We can criticize our government, cause we love this country, and have its best interests at heart. However, foreigners Cannot criticize my country to me, cause they don't love this country and haven't got its best interests at heart. Plus, I find their astonishing social assumptions to color their political opinions so much, that it is like talking to a Martian. Made me physically ill the other day listening to a Canadian citizen (with a thick asiatic accent) explaining to me how socialized medicine along with welfare were great because they are "free", and that somehow, therefore, Canada was better than the US. ------ To hell with all these foreign complainers. I think I will quit arguing with them and just start right in with violence and cursing. Fill your society up with Non-Westerners, and you won't have a Western(freedom-loving) Nation anymore. I will let you guys know when I talk to the FIRST non-socialist foreigner. ------ Like the song says, "Everything you(foreigners) say to me pushes me one step closer to the edge, and I'm about to break." [bday]
Link Posted: 11/26/2001 3:19:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Chimborazo:
Originally Posted By Zardoz: Sorry, but this is some of the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Who gives a sh*t why they hate us?
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I give a shit, and if we want to avoid this sort of thing in the future then we all better give a shit. I'm not saying that we shouldn't go blow the criminals to hell, but I am saying that while we are doing that, we better start asking ourselves some questions. There's a difference between caving in to terrorist demands and re-evaluating our current foreign policy on all fronts (not just in the Middle East).
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One place to start is to get the oil companies to start investing in Russian oil fields. Import more Russian oil. And less from Islamic states. We need to destroy this myth that we are dependant on them for oil, there is no cold war anymore, we can trade with Russia now. They need wheat, which we PAY farmers to not grow or destroy. Match made in heaven I would say. This Government needs to show some leadership and get with the Russians and the Oil Companies and get them moving in this direction. Then we can treat the Middle East as we please.
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