Posted: 6/11/2008 10:03:52 PM EDT
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602 EMORY LAW JOURNAL [Vol. 55 and far right." "^ Proclaiming, "with rights come with responsibilities," AGS has recruited Senators John McCain and Joseph Lieberman as its primary spokespersons. McCain, of course, is not alone among Republicans who support reasonable gun regulations when balanced with effective protection of gun rights."^ Similarly, a number of Democratic members of the House and Senate—not to mention a growing number of Democratic governors—have publicly affirmed their support for an individual right to bear arms when balanced with reasonable regulation. I didn't make this up. This is from 2006. I will still be voting for him but people aren't just making shit up as they go along on this site. |
Yeah, what he should have said was "With rights come ZERO responsibilities - I want no restrictions of any kind on any use of any gun anywhere, any time for any reason by anybody!"  |
The specific topic being addressed was firearm registration. I don't know about you but I like the 4th Amendment as much as the 2nd and 1st. |
| Most of us already know this. When OR had a "close the gun show loophole" bill on the ballot McCain called the VP of OR largest gunclub and tried to convince him to support it. To his credit the pompus ass of a VP our gunclub refused. The measure passed because the propaganda was sufficent to convince Republican voters that it would cut down crime. Now a "gunshow" is anywhere that 25 or more guns are avalable for sale, and every transaction for a firearm must have a background check if its at a gunshow. |
I was just trying to provide another quote, not one that I searched out either considering it is in page 37 of a 40 page PDF file that I have been reading and is the only time any political figure had been mentioned to that point. |
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SHOCKING NEWS TO FOLLOW!!!! Obama supports, promotes, sponsors, and actively seeks UNreasonable gun control laws. You guys really need to learn about "political speak." This is like GWB's statement about "I support the AWB in its current form"--and then quietly making sure it didn't get to his desk from the Republican-controlled Congress. In its "current form" it was to expire--and did.  You make a public statement that provides political cover, but means something different than it sounds like. This way your words can't be used against you. Most here support "reasonable gun control laws"--whether you realize it or not. Think about it. Is it "reasonable" for a batshit crazy fool to have guns? A five year old? A junkie with ten felony convictions? |
Show me the quote from McCain saying he supports registering all firearms. Not background checks - I mean registering firearms. Because what you have there is simply a general statement regarding common sense. Only an IDIOT would want ZERO regulations on firearm possession and use. |
Don't get me started on global warming or immigration. SHITSANDWICHES FOR ALL!!! 
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No, you'd see it from his actual votes. And that's all that matters. |
Is it reasonable to believe that banning legal private party sales (Yes, I'm calling a spade a spade) of firearms will prevent any of those things? I can't believe I'm seeing EBR owners actually SUPPORT this bullshit! No, wait. Yes I do believe it. |
I think the 'gun show loophole' is BS, but humor me. A) who wants to 'ban private party sales'? B) who can enforce that? |
Its De facto registration. Private party sales are the loophole that makes 4473s halfway useless for firearms tracking in many States. |
Lets see, hmmm, he was the republican spokesperson for AGS (American's for Gun Safety) which advocated it. Thats like selling dildo's without saying you support their use. Why dont you look up what AGS is about - now called Third Way and also read this article - link |
The way they enforce it in places like California is through onerous registration schemes. |
You can't answer, so I will. A) No one that I have ever heard of wants to outright ban all private party sales. All I've ever heard of, at the national level, is forcing the use of NICS for private party sales. B) They can't enforce it. Without some broad-based registration scheme, it can't be done. And that is several orders of magnitude more difficult than forcing NICS for private party sales. |
I don't want to come off as an asshole but can you prove that based on the wording of McCain Lieberman? |
His words vs his actions are two different things. Would Michael Jackson saying he isn't a pedophile convince you all the while he is hanging out with little boys? |
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These threads are about as predictable as the sunrise. Opposition: "See what he did there? We are fucked!" Proponents: "At least you get some lube, if Obama gets in kiss that lube good bye!"  ETA: All politicians are fucked (or at least any that have the ability to rise to any level of authority in this country). Why argue over if you are going to be ass raped with or without lube? |
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I just told you exactly what McCain-Lieberman does. It isn't even a ban on private sales. All it does is require private party sales at whatever the bill defined as a 'gun show' (which a loose enough definition to piss off anti-gunners) to go through a background check. I don't like it, but thats what it does. I can still sell you a gun at my home face to face. I'm shuddering. I haven't bought a gun at a gun show.. well, ever. The internet has much better deals. |
Talk is cheap. He has the best voting record of the candidates. |
The gunshow loophole bill is garbage, no question about it. I don't believe it's de facto gun-registration though. There are worse aspects of it besides the background check such as registering all visitors regardless of sales. Much of the garbage wouldn't last. However, to imply (once again) that McCain is a gun-grabber is simply ignorant. And clearly that seems to be the point of the OP. But |
And where did I say that? If I have a gun and it is my best choice, I have a right not to like very aspect of it and bring attention to those aspects. That is not the same thing as saying it is a shitty gun. Therefore, bringing up negatives about Mccain when I acknowledge the positives is not the same thing. |
I'd like to know what the Republican controlled Congress did to erase that law. That's right, nothing. All the Demonrats need to do to re-enact it is to remove the clause about it expiring. Other than protecting manufacturers from bullshit lawsuits, they didn't accomplish much...except for vast increases in the size of the .gov, and spending like drunken idiots. |
You really are going to cut your nose off to spite your face aren't you. You haven't seen spending and stupidity until you see Obama with a complicit D Congress. Of course you are probably one of those "reset button" fantasy types. |
Yep, Juan can do no wrong. The OP is obviously a troll, straight out of the DU who wants to make out with Obama. Hell I bet he even has hope and change tatooed on his ass  Actually Juan is pretty good on gunrights. Lots of reasons to hate that piece of shit, this isnt really one of them but............. FUCK MCCAIN |
Fuck McCain, I'm going to vote for Obama or not vote (vote for 3rd party) and give 1/2 vote to Obama because he is so much better. |
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Its kind of funny, but the lip service McCain has given reasonable gun control is just his way of getting votes and playing politics, but his speech to the NRA is how he really feels. Its kind of hard to tell for sure how he feels about the 2nd Amendment now. If its politically expedient, will he change his mind? |
No sir, would rather chew off my right hand than vote for the racist antiAmerican from Il. I plan to vote for the only conservative on the ballot in Nov, Bob Barr. And no, a vote for Barr is not a vote for Obama, and yes, if Obama is elected I will blame everyone that voted for McCain instead of Barr 
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I support reasonable gun control. A rifle should be able to hit a paper plate at 100 yards. A pistol at 10. If they can not, they need to be designation official wall hangers/safe queens until they can either be repaired or replaced. --- To be honest, I also support mandatory firearm education. Schools should be forced to at least offer shooting/marksmanship as a class for credit (the class by nature should included gun safety - but it needs to have plenty of hands on time)... I have know a decent number of Russians. I did not meet one who was afraid of a rifle or did not know how to use it - it was part of their primary education. |
He has a 20+ year career in the Senate. Actions speak louder than words. Of course, several of you won't want to hear that--or accept it. |
Actually McCain's voting record is solidly pro-gun. |
Source: JohnMcCain.com
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