Posted: 6/6/2008 9:40:00 AM EDT
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Yeah, when I saw the description I though "ooh automatic weapons fire, lol" and expected a few rounds to be popped off... but, the description is actually very accurate. Holy crap! www.liveleak.com/view?i=b51_1211221017 |
The automatic weapon used by the guy who shot the team leader ? To me, that sounded like a 9mm submachine gun. The team had AR's. I saw at least one with an Eotech. |
That's the one. I can't tell - I could barely make out the narration. 
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I saw this on TV and it was a full auto AK... The guy inside let loose a whole mag... |
Also, if it was an AR (probably in .223) it'd take some incredible body armor to take 17 rounds rapid fire at point blank range and only let 3 through. |
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So they couldn't return fire because of family in the house but it was fine to open the door with a bomb? wtf over. Highlights why raids like this might not be the best way to go. Stakeout + search the house when the guy leaves, bust him on his way out the neighborhood, house is already safe to go through. I don't have much sympathy for drug dealers, but blowing up my door with family inside is a good way to get shot. It does make for one hell of a knock though!
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Probable. I feel pretty bad for the cop leading the raid. I feel worse for the shooter, he was the very definition of "in fear of his life", and surrendered as soon as he realized what was going on, and it won't make the slightest difference. He'll be railroaded right to hell, and he's never getting out, no matter what his initial "crime" was. (I put crime in quotes purely as it was not proven at the time of the raid, he could in theory have been innocent) |
that's what it looked like... he thought it was a rip-off......bunch of guys in black, banging on the door.. yelling crap no one can understand... I'm not saying he's an angel.....but the cops had a cluster fuck.. I like plan B: Yell at the house and ask the suspect to please come outside.
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Do you have information about this case that the rest of us don't have ?
I like the idea of waiting until the guy is outside of the house to arrest him. Or the idea of trying to set up a "buy", then nabbing him. I like these ideas because it allows the police to choose the time and place. |
Then they yell "search warrant!" like someone would be able to hear it, after being deafened by bombs and flashbangs and shit. Thats moronic, and begs for the guy who's been rudely awakened and hearing loud whistling in his ears, to try to see well enough to defend himself. |
Everyone, no matter how low, has the right to self defense. The bill of rights is not there to protect the upstanding citizens, they don't need the protection it offers, the community will make sure they get justice. The bill of rights is there to protect the scum of the earth. |
It was a drug raid and he did have drugs (I think meth if I remember right). This was aired on one of those SWAT type shoes on TV a while back. He surrended. His wife and I think one kid were in the house. He surrended shortly after the shooting. |
That's the scenario of which I'm afraid. For this guy, not so much. Though I can't help but think that this clown wasn't a hermit, and probably could have been picked up on the street. A cornered mouse will fight. |
FUCK the shooter!!!!!!! He's a piece of shit, and didnt even show the slightest remorse...fear for his life my ass...more like his freedom. |
Was the guy manufacturing meth or just selling it ? If manufacturing, it explains the lack of use of flashbangs (but not the use of a breaching charge). |
Uhh He surrendered as soon as he got the chance. How does shooting a cop make sense if you surrender right afterwards? |
he surrendered because he emptied his mag, and didnt want his family getting shot because of him |
Ok, it's possible that he thought he could fight off a whole swat team with a single mag. Or it's possible that he thought it was tweakers there to kill him and his family, shot at them, then realized they were the police and surrendered. Which of these vaguely holds together? |
Yeah tweakers use breaching charges lol |
Do you personally know the guy, or do you have any more info about why they were doing a NO KNOCK RAID with him and his family inside. If not, STFU. This could happen to any one of us and im sure as hell going to defend my family. Hell, it could of been the wrong house for all we know. |
| when will police go back to being police officers and quit trying to play commado all the time???? arrest the guy and his family when they go out to the food store or something. he's obviously a piece of shit drug dealer, by all the extra info provided here, but I must say I'm feeling less and less sorry for the boys in their stormtrooper outfits. guys need to start using their heads, the one's on their shoulders. |
I think he was just distributing it.... |
For all we know, the guy was a legit NFA owner.  I wish someone would post up some additional info from a source...
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Do you even have a clue as to what goes in to the decision on when and where to try and take somebody into custody? Do you even have a clue as to just how much red tape and bureaucratic process you have to go through to even USE breaching charges in most departments? Hint: They don't pull out the breaching charges for Bubba selling a couple of ounces of weed. |
More new world order paranoids defending scum bags gotta love it. How much meth do you cook up, or are you a weed smoker? |