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5/27/2008 5:26:08 PM EDT
I just read an article about enemy combatants being shot with m855 and not being stopped. One person was using an M14 ans said that it did a much better job of stopping the enemy. Bring on the flames.
5/27/2008 5:30:18 PM EDT
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5/27/2008 5:32:15 PM EDT
[#2]
My brother did two tours in Iraq with the 101st.

He found that the M14 was a MUCH better stopper, and that home-cooked 5.56 loads worked much better than M855
5/27/2008 5:32:58 PM EDT
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What does dildoing a donkey have to do with the question?
5/27/2008 5:33:36 PM EDT
[#4]
shot placement
5/27/2008 5:35:40 PM EDT
[#5]
Dupe

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=713604







5/27/2008 5:37:54 PM EDT
[#6]
After watching thousands of vidoes of youtupe I can see why it is not effective.  U have to hit you target first. I read somewhere the average of rounds fire per target it 10,000. Now U know why we dont have any surplus.
5/27/2008 5:39:01 PM EDT
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How many years old is the article that you read?
5/27/2008 5:39:03 PM EDT
[#8]
Yep it wont stop a fly.

From now on all soldiers will be issued Barrett 82A1 rifles

50 BMG is the only choice when shooting 110lb Hadjis

Machine gunners will be issued M134 GE Miniguns and Officers will get Desert Eagle 50 AE




j/k

I think 5.56 is fine

FREE
5/27/2008 5:40:26 PM EDT
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What does dildoing a donkey have to do with the question?
We prefer the term, "interspecies erotica."
5/27/2008 5:40:43 PM EDT
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After watching thousands of vidoes of youtupe I can see why it is not effective.  U have to hit you target first. I read somewhere the average of rounds fire per target it 10,000. Now U know why we dont have any surplus.


That is better than the round to kill ratio in WWII and Vietnam.  Look those figures up, the improvement of effectiveness of the U.S. Military is startling.
5/27/2008 5:43:55 PM EDT
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I just read an article about enemy combatants being shot with m855 and not being stopped. One person was using an M14 ans said that it did a much better job of stopping the enemy. Bring on the flames.


I am sure they are correct and it doesn't work. I therefore volunteer to take all of the M855 off the gubments hands for only a small handling fee, because I am just that kind of guy.

5/27/2008 5:44:59 PM EDT
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What does dildoing a donkey have to do with the question?



We prefer the term, "interspecies erotica."


Actually, I believe in this case, it's "equestrian erotica."
5/27/2008 5:47:08 PM EDT
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My brother did two tours in Iraq with the 101st.

He found that the M14 was a MUCH better stopper, and that home-cooked 5.56 loads worked much better than M855


Ummm... I foresee a visit from JAG if word gets out... using non-issued or modified ammo is a big no-no for US forces AFAIK (Laws of Land Warfare and all that... not that I necessarily agree).
5/27/2008 5:47:31 PM EDT
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What's strange is the article goes out of the way to say the round was designed to take down platoons of parachuting, armored, commies during the cold war.  So why is it ineffective in taking down a guy in a dress?

Oh wait, I know... You need to fucking aim the weapon.
5/27/2008 5:48:43 PM EDT
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What does dildoing a donkey have to do with the question?



We prefer the term, "interspecies erotica."


Actually, I believe in this case, it's "equestrian erotica."


you've never seen clerks II?
5/27/2008 5:54:10 PM EDT
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5.56 is NOT legal for deer is just about the entire US...doesn't kill deer "in a humane manner".

WHY does the government think it's an effective man-stopper?

I don't own a firearm chambered in 5.56 (OK hang me for a heretic!).  My "big" rifles are in .308, 7mm RemMag, and 45-70 Govt (hey, wait a minute...45-70 GOVERNMENT?!?...does THAT mean that the round was an ISSUE cartridge once-upon-a-time?!?).

A bigger, slower bullet will do more damage every time than a smaller, faster bullet will.

Does this come as a shock to anybody?!?
5/27/2008 5:54:59 PM EDT
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I just read an article about enemy combatants being shot with m855 and not being stopped. One person was using an M14 ans said that it did a much better job of stopping the enemy. Bring on the flames.


So you read a synopsis of Black Hawk Down?
5/27/2008 5:57:40 PM EDT
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Gene Stoner did NOT believe the 5.56 round was adequate for military use.




5sub
5/27/2008 5:59:29 PM EDT
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I think the 5.56 is a little under powered but as far as states allowing it as a big game round, Minnesota just passed a new law allowing it.




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5/27/2008 6:01:32 PM EDT
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After watching thousands of vidoes of youtupe I can see why it is not effective.  U have to hit you target first. I read somewhere the average of rounds fire per target it 10,000. Now U know why we dont have any surplus.


That is better than the round to kill ratio in WWII and Vietnam.  Look those figures up, the improvement of effectiveness of the U.S. Military is startling.


you know that round count includes in theater training right?
5/27/2008 6:01:41 PM EDT
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5/27/2008 6:02:51 PM EDT
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After watching thousands of vidoes of youtupe I can see why it is not effective.  U have to hit you target first. I read somewhere the average of rounds fire per target it 10,000. Now U know why we dont have any surplus.


That is better than the round to kill ratio in WWII and Vietnam.  Look those figures up, the improvement of effectiveness of the U.S. Military is startling.


I'm willing to bet that has a lot to do with the advent and wide issue of red-dot, quick-aquisition sights (Aimpoint, EOTech, etc.).
5/27/2008 6:03:12 PM EDT
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I think the 5.56 is a little under powered but as far as states allowing it as a big game round, Minnesota just passed a new law allowing it.




-----------134thSIGNAL


SURPRISED to hear.





5sub
5/27/2008 6:11:20 PM EDT
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5.56 is NOT legal for deer is just about the entire US...doesn't kill deer "in a humane manner".

WHY does the government think it's an effective man-stopper?

I don't own a firearm chambered in 5.56 (OK hang me for a heretic!).  My "big" rifles are in .308, 7mm RemMag, and 45-70 Govt (hey, wait a minute...45-70 GOVERNMENT?!?...does THAT mean that the round was an ISSUE cartridge once-upon-a-time?!?).

A bigger, slower bullet will do more damage every time than a smaller, faster bullet will.

Does this come as a shock to anybody?!?


Deer are much tougher to kill than humans.  Good luck on 300 rounds of 45-70 government. Hell godd luck on 50.

I thought the 5.56 was designed to wound, so more combatants would be used?
Have you ever actually met a person shot by a 5.56? If so did they say it was just a "tea and crumpets" experience?

Do perhaps those using 308 take better shots because they are OPs and have less ammo to waste?
5/27/2008 6:13:23 PM EDT
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I think the 5.56 is a little under powered but as far as states allowing it as a big game round, Minnesota just passed a new law allowing it.




-----------134thSIGNAL


SURPRISED to hear.





5sub


Not me.

I've killed too many deer and pigs with one. I KNOW how deadly it is.

One thing that is a constant in these threads. EVERYONE who has ever killed an animal and then inspected the damage done believes it is plent potent. The naysayers [like the ones in this thread] have not, yet belittle the round.

That should tell everyone all they need to know.
5/27/2008 6:14:02 PM EDT
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5.56 is NOT legal for deer is just about the entire US...doesn't kill deer "in a humane manner".

WHY does the government think it's an effective man-stopper?

I don't own a firearm chambered in 5.56 (OK hang me for a heretic!).  My "big" rifles are in .308, 7mm RemMag, and 45-70 Govt (hey, wait a minute...45-70 GOVERNMENT?!?...does THAT mean that the round was an ISSUE cartridge once-upon-a-time?!?).

A bigger, slower bullet will do more damage every time than a smaller, faster bullet will.

Does this come as a shock to anybody?!?


Incorrect. 5.56 is not named. 22 caliber weapons are named.

Big difference, and complete dishonesty on your part to fail to clarify this.
5/27/2008 6:17:26 PM EDT
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dupe