[ARCHIVED THREAD] - HD-DVD (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 4/20/2008 5:14:00 PM EDT
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This is me dancing on your grave. Suck it Toshiba. Suck it Microsoft. www.hd-dvd.com/ 
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Too bad they have no place to sell them. Pretty much every retailer has dumped everything HD-DVD related in the trash can. I was at Best Buy yesterday, and it was like HD-DVD never existed.  The worst thing was the HD-DVD fan-boys. My God were they annoying... |
The "sucks to be you, you chose poorly $50 rebate". |
mmm well, in my case it was a "You went dual format, and one had to lose, so here's $50 to get you back in the store" rebate. 
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Hopefully the Blu-ray production pressing companies are holding a grudge and putting their shit at the end of the line. |
Yeah cuz Sony having a monopoly on teh market is sooooo much better.  
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It's just annoying that some movies I want are only on HD-DVD (Transformers, Atonement, etc...). But, yeah, once they dump their remaining stock of HD-DVD blanks I bet we will see a magic RE-release of all these titles on Blu-Ray. |
If anything, Toshiba had a monopoly on HD-DVD players. They were the only company to make dedicated HD-DVD stand-alone players. Not one other company built one. Not one. HD-DVD  Blu-Ray |
Ya know, I used to hate Sony as much as the next guy...But I think they've learned. The PS3 is not as proprietary as their previous models. It uses blue tooth and comes with built in wireless compatibility, unlike my xbox 360... |
Downloading is ok for SD DVD and porn. 1080P with lossless Dolby? You like downloading 25+ GB of data? Forget it. |
I know a lot of audio and videophiles, none of them are going to replace their 200-1000 dvd library 1-1 with blu-ray. It would be idiotic to do so. Most have gotten a good upconverting DVD player (I got an Oppo) and will be waiting for the actual "next big thing". With FIOS and other advancements in broadband access a 25G movie is no big deal at all. The distribution model has to change, Blu-ray disks and players are ridiculously overpriced, and when you can copy a dvd for a few cents, the marginal improvement isn't worth it to most people. |
The PS3 upconverts DVD's, I won't replace all my DVD's...I just won't buy anymore. |
I own an Oppo too. I tossed it in the corner when I bought my BD player. Know anyone who wants to buy an Oppo cheap? |
And competition is always good so why would you want one format to lose to the other? Why not let them duke it out and get cheap discs, cheap movies and great content? 
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Have fun with that, lemme know how it works out for you.  The PS3 also came out a year later than the 360 did and Sony said "What can we do to beat MS? Wifi/bluetooth? Rock on!" |
Somebody had to win...It's the whole Beta vs. VHS thing. Only Sony won this time. I'm glad it's over so I know my stuff will be good for at least a few years. 
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Economy of scale and standardization makes things cheaper in this case. The war was costing both sides too much. Read the link in the original post. As soon as the Korea electronics producers start cranking out BD players, you will see sub $200 BD players by the end of summer. My guess is they will get close to $100 by Christmas 2008 if not by spring 2009. |
Never say never - I am finding SCREAMING deals on SD-DVDs these days. I'm buying them for $5 and 7 bucks! Of course when the big titles come out I'll be getting them on Blu-Ray, but shoot, I can't beat some of these deals with a stick. 
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Blu-Ray came out almost a year after HD-DVD started shipping products. (it was 10+ months). Toshiba and M$ should have kicked Sony's ass. Except for the fact the BD standard is technically better, and BD had better industry hardware support and Sony took a huge gamble (which paid off in the end) by putting a BD player in every PS3. |
Agreed Like you said, I will only get the big titles on Blu Ray. But if I can find a 5 dollar copy of Evil Dead...I'm on it.
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It was specifically b/c HD was first to the market that I supported it (guess I'm impatient). Got into Blu-Ray as soon as Toshiba threw in the towel. Someone had to win and someone had to lose. Oh well, I'm not bitter. Well, according to some I like guns so......I must be bitter. I didn't know I was, but I'm glad someone pointed that out to me.
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I have them all...I was just using it as a reference. If you don't have it get Beowulf (not the new one)...It's the best "B" movie ever. They have night vision in the middle ages, it's funny as hell...although I don't think it's supposed to be.
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Oh wait, were you serious? Downloads will replace discs when our internet infrastructure looks like Japan's, and when DRM dies or becomes reasonable. Until then, this is how off base that assertion is: __ |X| <--- BASE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O <--- YOU |
Yeah, hooray for Sony! Sony pays $1.5m over fake critic
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Welcome to 2005!!!! HD-DVD is dead!!!!! Yeah!!!!! Edit: And so is Heath Ledger... 
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Do you think their ethics have improved since then? |
Buy a clue. I don't know where I could have come up with such a crazy idea. 
You can find another hundred articles on the same subject if you bothered to look. Have you paid attention to how well CD sales have been doing the last few years? Wonder why that is? |
Do you think Microsofts has? |
Yeah, cause the Sony fan-boys are so much more gracious. Look into a LOT of Sony's history, especially if you're going to trash Toshiba (and, to a lessor extent, Microsoft). Great bunch of guys there. |
Take a little history lesson on how Microsoft screwed IBM and others back in the 90's with a little operating system known as OS/2... I just consider Toshiba to be foolish. I am not so kind in my opinion when it comes to M$. |
They're going to have to. I'm sure as hell not paying $400 for a Blu-ray player and I'm not buying a PS3 just to watch movies, especially since it will other wise sit unused. |
You can buy HD-DVD players on ebay for cheap right now. Edit: You can probably pick up a couple dozen movies for cheap too. |
You mean that bastard company that claimed "Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" Oh, that's right, that was a Sony executive. www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2005-11-17-sony-rootkit_x.htm |
Ever use OS/2? It sucked balls and was a major pain in the ass to get running on a lot of industry-standard equipment. That would include IBM Thinkpads. What a concept, an OS that is a real hassle to get running on equipment you company produces. IBM killed OS/2, not Microsoft. Talking about Microsoft screwing IBM is also pretty damn funny. If they did, one could say it was a preemptive strike, considering the dirty dealing s IBM user to be famous for. IBM has no room to cry about anything Microsoft did. Hell, they tried to screw Microsoft over on DOS, but got outsmarted by Gates. Most of the breakup of the OS/2 project is detailed here: The collaboration between IBM and Microsoft unravelled in 1990, between the releases of Windows 3.0 and OS/2 1.3. Initially, at least publicly, Microsoft continued to insist the future belonged to OS/2. Steve Ballmer of Microsoft even took to calling OS/2 "Windows Plus."[9] However, during this time, Windows 3.0 became a tremendous success, selling millions of copies in its first year.[10] Much of its success was due to the fact that Windows 3.0 (along with MS-DOS) was bundled with most new computers.[11] OS/2, on the other hand, was only available as an expensive stand-alone software package. In addition, OS/2 lacked device drivers for many common devices such as printers, particularly non-IBM hardware.[12] Windows, on the other hand, supported a much larger variety of hardware. The increasing popularity of Windows prompted Microsoft to shift its development focus from cooperating on OS/2 with IBM to building a franchise based on Windows.[13] Several technical and practical reasons contributed to this breakup: * Differences in culture and vision: Microsoft favored the open hardware system approach that contributed to its success on the PC; IBM sought to use OS/2 to drive sales of its own hardware, including systems that could not support the features Microsoft wanted. Microsoft programmers also became frustrated with IBM's bureaucracy and its use of lines of code to measure programmer productivity.[14] IBM developers complained about the terseness and lack of comments in Microsoft's code, while Microsoft developers complained that IBM's code was bloated. * Differences in API: OS/2 was announced when Windows 1.0 was near completion, and the Windows API already defined. However, IBM requested that this API be significantly changed for OS/2.[15] Therefore, issues surrounding application compatibility appeared immediately. OS/2 designers hoped for source code conversion tools, allowing complete migration of Windows application source code to OS/2 at some point. However, OS/2 1.x did not gain enough momentum to allow vendors to avoid developing for both OS/2 and Windows in parallel. IBM's involvement was much more successful in redefining Windows' visual appearance after the 1.0 release, giving it what is today perceived as the "Windows 3.0 look." * OS/2 targeted the 80286 processor: IBM insisted on supporting the Intel 80286 processor, with its 16-bit segmented memory mode, due to commitments made to customers who had purchased many 80286-based PS/2's because of IBM's promises surrounding OS/2.[16] Until release 2.0 in April 1992, OS/2 ran in 16-bit protected mode and therefore could not benefit from the Intel 80386's much simpler 32-bit flat memory model and virtual 8086 mode features. This was especially painful in providing support for DOS applications. While, in 1988, Windows/386 2.1 could run several preemptively multitasked DOS applications, including expanded memory (EMS) emulation, OS/2 1.3, released in 1991, was still limited to one 640KB "DOS box." Given these issues, Microsoft started to work in parallel on a version of Windows which was more future-oriented and more portable. The hiring of Dave Cutler, former VMS architect, in 1988 created an immediate competition with the OS/2 team, as Cutler did not think much of the OS/2 technology and wanted to build on his work at Digital rather than creating a "DOS plus." His "NT OS/2," was a completely new architecture.[17] IBM grew concerned about the delays in development of OS/2 2.0 and the diversion of IBM funds earmarked for OS/2 development towards Windows[citation needed]. Initially, the companies agreed that IBM would take over maintenance of OS/2 1.0 and development of OS/2 2.0, while Microsoft would continue development of OS/2 3.0. In the end, Microsoft decided to recast NT OS/2 3.0 as Windows NT, leaving all future OS/2 development to IBM. From a business perspective, it was logical to concentrate on a consumer line of operating systems based on DOS and Windows, and to prepare a new high-end system in such a way as to keep good compatibility with existing Windows applications. While waiting for this new high-end system to develop, Microsoft would still receive licensing money from Xenix and OS/2 sales. Windows NT's OS/2 heritage can be seen in its initial support for the HPFS filesystem, text mode OS/2 1.x applications, and OS/2 LAN Manager network support. Some early NT materials even included OS/2 copyright notices embedded in the software en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2 Hardly Sabotage by Microsoft. It actually sounds just the the heavy-handed tactics that IBM was famous for at the time. Once again they were outmaneuvered by a guy who's a better marketer than anyone at IBM ever was. (and is the only thing Gates was ever any good at, IMO) Toshiba, they just didn't market worth a shit, for reasons I'll never understand. |
Do a google search on microsoft lawsuit. The list is quite impressive. How many billions did they lose in that european antitrust suit? |
I already have one that I basically paid nothing for. It still upconverts and Blu-Ray doesn't look THAT much better than unconverted DVDs, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Even it it didn't I'm out a LOT less that it would have cost to go Blu-Ray. I'm sure that will eventually come down, though. You can get a LOT More than a couple of dozen movies for cheep, too. (and they'll work on a standard DVD player, too.) Oh, and the guys who say over-the-wire movies aren' tgoing to happen. You're nuts. The days of any disks are numbered. On-demand style movies are the way of the future. You might pay a fee for unlimited viewing or some other arrangement, but it IS going to go that way. Why wouldn't it? YOu 'd free up a LOT Of space that you're currently using to store movies and could have instant access any film ever made. People will jump on that as soon as its available.
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That Wiki article can pretty much be summed up as fiction, as I lived and worked in the industry throughout the whole thing. It was funny when the first version of windows NT (OS/2 3.0) booted up and said OS/2 boot-loader. You remember that, right? MS screwed the entire computer industry over OS/2, not just IBM. |
Yeah, we all know Europe does everything on the level. How are the American antitrust lawsuits doing? Yeah, yeah, I know, M$ bought everyone out, right? Its just that our European better had too much integrity to take the bribes, right? |
Instant access to 1080P with Dolby lossless. Sure thing.
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