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3/25/2008 8:48:33 PM EDT
So, this guy gets behind on his payment.  American Express tells him no problem, just send us 10 checks of 1/10 the amount due.  To the very nice girl on the end, he says OK.  So he sends the 10 checks and they cash all 10 upon receipt.  He calls to find out why they lied, and they say too bad; however, they are not paid one dime, he just got $350 in bounced check charges.  I was considering getting one of their cards, but reading some of the stuff on the Internet, this shit happens to thousands of people!!!!!  Why is American Express still in business?
3/25/2008 9:02:49 PM EDT
[#1]
If the story is true, he wrote checks with no money in the account, so screw him.

Otherwise, I don't care what business, but AMEX would not put "checks to be cashed later" in a safe place and have a salaried person go and retrieve them accordingly.  HA!
3/25/2008 9:05:38 PM EDT
[#2]
Your story made no sense to me
3/25/2008 9:06:38 PM EDT
[#3]

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So, this guy gets behind on his payment.  American Express tells him no problem, just send us 10 checks of 1/10 the amount due.  To the very nice girl on the end, he says OK.  So he sends the 10 checks and they cash all 10 upon receipt.  He calls to find out why they lied, and they say too bad; however, they are not paid one dime, he just got $350 in bounced check charges.  I was considering getting one of their cards, but reading some of the stuff on the Internet, this shit happens to thousands of people!!!!!  Why is American Express still in business?


Nazis?  Really?  Nazis?  Study much history?  
3/25/2008 9:09:09 PM EDT
[#4]
NAZI BURGER IN PARADISE
3/25/2008 9:09:49 PM EDT
[#5]

I think Amex is great.  They stand behind their cardholder 100% of the time in any dispute and their services are great.  The thing is an Amex card is not for everybody....they are are for disciplined cardholders that pay their balance every month.  As far as I can tell, they are not primarily in the business of earning money on interest from customers, but earning money from fees and having customers that pay their balance every month.  
3/25/2008 9:10:11 PM EDT
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NAZI BURGER IN PARADISE


NAZI BURGER YEAH I SAID IT TWICE
3/25/2008 9:11:21 PM EDT
[#7]
So this guy writes 10 bad checks and still expects AMEX to hold up their end of the bargain?
3/25/2008 9:12:53 PM EDT
[#8]
This guy screws up/falls behind and it's Amex's fault - and who's heard of such a thing about 10 checks - I think he's feeding you a line.
3/25/2008 9:16:48 PM EDT
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3/25/2008 9:19:42 PM EDT
[#10]

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I think Amex is great.  They stand behind their cardholder 100% of the time in any dispute and their services are great.  The thing is an Amex card is not for everybody....they are are for disciplined cardholders that pay their balance every month.  As far as I can tell, they are not primarily in the business of earning money on interest from customers, but earning money from fees and having customers that pay their balance every month.  


Amex is good for big spenders, but try and buy a sandwhich with one
3/25/2008 9:32:58 PM EDT
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Amex is good for big spenders, but try and buy a sandwhich with one


I had to think about that one since I recently bought some sandwiches at a cafeteria with my AMEX but you have a point.  Few small merchants take AMEX due to the high fees.
3/25/2008 9:42:39 PM EDT
[#12]
Exactly. Thats why I have a VISA.

Whatever I am using, it gets paid off at the end of the month.
3/25/2008 9:49:07 PM EDT
[#13]
I am a CC merchant and I will not accept their cards because of the headaches associated with dealing with them.
3/25/2008 10:49:19 PM EDT
[#14]
So why would AmEx try to cash the checks if it isn't in their best interest?  The have to pay a fee for the bad checks.  Something doesn't seem right.z

3/25/2008 11:03:07 PM EDT
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I am a CC merchant and I will not accept their cards because of the headaches associated with dealing with them.


No offense, but I tend to avoid retailers who don't take Amex - I get my points and I am guaranteed that the product is going to work out.  I know there are quite a few others like myself.  

I realize it's a trade off....just like dealing with Walmart as a vendor.  You have to put up with a lot of crap, but it's a ton of business you miss out on otherwise.  
3/25/2008 11:13:12 PM EDT
[#16]
American Express rules.
3/26/2008 12:15:19 PM EDT
[#17]
I have a new blue card and so far so good
3/26/2008 12:19:30 PM EDT
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3/26/2008 12:23:13 PM EDT
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3/26/2008 12:30:02 PM EDT
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Very happy with an Amex, any time my card is fraudulently used they cancel/refund fraudulent charges immediately and overnight a new card for free. Plus I used the points I earned to but a 52" LCD TV

3/26/2008 2:22:19 PM EDT
[#21]

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I am a CC merchant and I will not accept their cards because of the headaches associated with dealing with them.


No offense, but I tend to avoid retailers who don't take Amex - I get my points and I am guaranteed that the product is going to work out.  I know there are quite a few others like myself.  

I realize it's a trade off....just like dealing with Walmart as a vendor.  You have to put up with a lot of crap, but it's a ton of business you miss out on otherwise.  


There are alot of retailers like myself that take many others but not AmEx, I have noticed.

The risk is yours- I discovered not only a security issue with the way they handle their customer info, but also that they really did not care that it was there.  It was not my account in jeopardy, but I did not wait around until it was- I told them to take a hike.
3/26/2008 2:29:58 PM EDT
[#22]
I don't think we have the whole story. If the checks were "post-dated", they couldn't have cashed them, and the bank shouldn't have honored them.

3/26/2008 2:35:06 PM EDT
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3/26/2008 2:40:57 PM EDT
[#24]
Sounds like a bogus story, but regardless, AMEX sucks.   VISA & MC FTW.  
3/26/2008 4:10:27 PM EDT
[#25]
Most payment processing centers are computerized.  AmEx would not have a way of opening the envelope and perusing each individual check to verify that the date was current.  If they receive a check, it will automatically be run through their processor, without regard to dates.

If this story is true (if it is on the Internet, you KNOW that it has to be!), the check writer only has himself to blame as he is at fault for numerous reasons:

-he charged more than he could pay (AmEx is a charge card, not a credit card; the balance has to be paid in full each month to avoid penalties).
-he post dated checks
-he wrote checks that his account could not cover.

His stupidity; his loss.

In regards to the original question, I agree with most here.  AmEx is top notch.
3/26/2008 4:16:29 PM EDT
[#26]

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*snip*

Amex is good for big spenders, but try and buy a sandwhich with one


McDonalds will accept them. Although, some are to thick to fit into the "slot" at the drive up window and they have to get the manager to key it in...
3/26/2008 4:20:45 PM EDT
[#27]

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I don't think we have the whole story. If the checks were "post-dated", they couldn't have cashed them, and the bank shouldn't have honored them.



That is a common misconception.  Checks are negotiable as soon as they are made.  
3/26/2008 5:03:37 PM EDT
[#28]

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Most payment processing centers are computerized.  AmEx would not have a way of opening the envelope and perusing each individual check to verify that the date was current.  If they receive a check, it will automatically be run through their processor, without regard to dates.

If this story is true (if it is on the Internet, you KNOW that it has to be!), the check writer only has himself to blame as he is at fault for numerous reasons:

-he charged more than he could pay (AmEx is a charge card, not a credit card; the balance has to be paid in full each month to avoid penalties).
-he post dated checks
-he wrote checks that his account could not cover.

His stupidity; his loss.

In regards to the original question, I agree with most here.  AmEx is top notch.


Supposedly the account was in collection.  AMEX asked for post dated checks to pay off the account.  They had a verbal agreement to deposit the checks once a month.  AMEX received the checks and cashed all at once.  

3/26/2008 5:19:26 PM EDT
[#29]

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Most payment processing centers are computerized.  AmEx would not have a way of opening the envelope and perusing each individual check to verify that the date was current.  If they receive a check, it will automatically be run through their processor, without regard to dates.

If this story is true (if it is on the Internet, you KNOW that it has to be!), the check writer only has himself to blame as he is at fault for numerous reasons:

-he charged more than he could pay (AmEx is a charge card, not a credit card; the balance has to be paid in full each month to avoid penalties).
-he post dated checks
-he wrote checks that his account could not cover.

His stupidity; his loss.

In regards to the original question, I agree with most here.  AmEx is top notch.


Supposedly the account was in collection.  AMEX asked for post dated checks to pay off the account.  They had a verbal agreement to deposit the checks once a month.  AMEX received the checks and cashed all at once.  



Post dated checks are illegal......................................

I highly doubt AMEX would ask for post dated checks, they are not your cousin.

AMEX card are CHARGE CARDS not CREDIT CARDS, that means the balance for the month is due at the end of the month. Why would someone at AMEX agree to a 10 month repayment schedule on a card that is supposed to be paid of every month?

The story has more holes in it than a screen.
3/26/2008 5:21:12 PM EDT
[#30]

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If the story is true, he wrote checks with no money in the account, so screw him.



I think that's a crime.
3/26/2008 5:22:48 PM EDT
[#31]

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Your story made no sense to me


+1 dont entirely get the story, apaprently he owed the cc company money, he paid them, and they never registered it....so show them the checks, and they accept it. end of story
3/26/2008 6:32:23 PM EDT
[#32]

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Post dated checks are illegal......................................



Another urban legend;


 United States Uniform Commercial Code
ยง 4-401. WHEN BANK MAY CHARGE CUSTOMER'S ACCOUNT.
(a) A bank may charge against the account of a customer an item that is properly payable from that account even though the charge creates an overdraft. An item is properly payable if it is authorized by the customer and is in accordance with any agreement between the customer and bank.
(b) A customer is not liable for the amount of an overdraft if the customer neither signed the item nor benefited from the proceeds of the item.
(c) A bank may charge against the account of a customer a check that is otherwise properly payable from the account, even though payment was made before the date of the check, unless the customer has given notice to the bank of the postdating describing the check with reasonable certainty. The notice is effective for the period stated in Section 4-403(b) for stop-payment orders, and must be received at such time and in such manner as to afford the bank a reasonable opportunity to act on it before the bank takes any action with respect to the check described in Section 4-303. If a bank charges against the account of a customer a check before the date stated in the notice of postdating, the bank is liable for damages for the loss resulting from its act. The loss may include damages for dishonor of subsequent items under Section 4-402.
(d) A bank that in good faith makes payment to a holder may charge the indicated account of its customer according to:
(1) the original terms of the altered item; or
(2) the terms of the completed item, even though the bank knows the item has been completed unless the bank has notice that the completion was improper.


Most states adopted the same in the late '90s.  
3/26/2008 7:48:11 PM EDT
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Your story made no sense to me


+1 dont entirely get the story, apaprently he owed the cc company money, he paid them, and they never registered it....so show them the checks, and they accept it. end of story


AMEX supposedly agreed to a payment arrangement that included 10 post dated checks that AMEX and said borrower agreed would be deposited at a certain interval in the future.  AMEX received said checks and deposited them all at once.  AMEX received $0 from checks, consumer got hit with a bunch of bounced check charges.  AMEX did not steal any money, they however entered into an agreement with their borrower and reneged.

I just read it and was like that was pretty shitty.  Thats why I ordered a new Visa card, not AMEX.  There are quite a few consumer complaints out there regarding AMEX business practices.  Just difficult to find.  Try entering in "American Express business dealings" in google  
3/26/2008 7:52:05 PM EDT
[#34]

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Your story made no sense to me


+1 dont entirely get the story, apaprently he owed the cc company money, he paid them, and they never registered it....so show them the checks, and they accept it. end of story


AMEX supposedly agreed to a payment arrangement that included 10 post dated checks that AMEX and said borrower agreed would be deposited at a certain interval in the future.  AMEX received said checks and deposited them all at once.  AMEX received $0 from checks, consumer got hit with a bunch of bounced check charges.  AMEX did not steal any money, they however entered into an agreement with their borrower and reneged.

I just read it and was like that was pretty shitty.  Thats why I ordered a new Visa card, not AMEX.  There are quite a few consumer complaints out there regarding AMEX business practices.  Just difficult to find.  Try entering in "American Express business dealings" in google  


Did you see the cancelled checks? Did you hear the agreement being made?

Again, AMEX is a charge card, not a credit card. The balance os to be paid off every month.

It's a bullshit story.