[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Getting Ban paranoid (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/6/2008 7:07:15 AM EDT
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Long time lurker, first time poster. With this being election year it's got me kind of worried, because i haven't made the AR plunge yet, but really want one in my collection while it's legal. If i were to just buy a stripped lower right now and build it over time would i be safe? I just really don't have the money, and am wanting to build anyway. So if i get the lower reciever while it's not banned would that exempt me once the ban (possibly) hits again? granted they don't break down our doors to get them. Which that would present a whole new problem. Jon |
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I feel like a more realistic law would deal with ammunition; marking all ammo with ID #s, tracking who purchases all ammo, etc. Possible movement towards post-ban configurations national is more likely -- no high cap mags, etc. Or perhaps restrictions on long run ownership, similar to hand gun permits. These are similar to the laws the Asshats in Connecticut are trying to pass later this year hem And CMMG makes great components -- I have a complete CMMG on order :) |
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Out here in Kalifornistan, there have been reports of FFL dealers stopping carrying/selling lowers with the bullet button kit. The rumor is the BATF is cracking down on FFL renewals and giving people who are selling AR lowers a hard time. So, it looks like the current legal way to build an AR in Kali may be soon gone. I'm currently building my first on a Stag lower and I agree that you shouldn't wait. Get it all now, before those Dems prevent you from completing it. As for passing laws that make ammo too expensive. Kalifornistan is doing that already. The Non-lead ammo ban for the frickin Rat of a bird Condor goes into effect July 1st. This effects pretty much all the mountain ranges and in Kalifornistan. Kern County where I live has a small sliver of Lead OK area which is all flat farmland. Ammo is almost non-existant (and is non-existant for 22lr and 17hmr) and the stuff you may be able to get is REALLY EXPENSIVE. Kalifornia's little way of banning guns by making the ammo impossible to get and too much $$$$. |
Avoid Blackthorne, Vulcan, Special Weapons, and Olympic like the friggin' plague. RRA is pretty good, but they've had some issues with out of spec lowers lately. Stag has a GREAT reputation, as does Nodak Spud. |
No one can make any predictions on a law that isn't passed and signed. I just don't know, no one does. They could ban possession altogether, no grandfathering. They could let you keep what you have presently (grandfathering), but not allow the sale of parts or "gun kits". Or they could just skip all of that, and ban possession of normal capcity magazines. Or perhaps pass laws that make ammo too expensive to buy. Who knows? There could be all sorts of restrictions that you can't predict at this time. But if you buy a receiver, I would not count on being able to get the rest of the required parts later. Or magazines and ammo for that matter. And it is foolish to put your money into buying 5 or 8 or 10 lowers, rather than completing the first receiver. You can't shoot 10 stripped lowers, but you can shoot one complete rifle with mags and ammo. Keep that in mind. |
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oh yeah, i actually plan on finishing it by this time next year, and no i don't mean stock up on recievers. As much as i love capitalism, I don't have the cash to bank roll that, hence why i'm only starting with a reciever. Actually I could probably afford a complete lower. How is CMMG? looks to be made of the same material as spikes and it's mil-spec so would that be a good starting reciever kit? cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/?shop=1&cart=1000274&cat=57& (3rd one down) also, does the type of ammo you will eventually use matter to the lower of the rifle? or only the upper? (I intend to build a 9mm upper, and eventually build a .223 upper). |
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I look at it like why take the chance? Get all that you can now, if the ban comes, chances are that they will grandfather. If there is no ban, you have what you want anyway, go shoot it. It is an investment as well, cause they are only going to get more expensive. It's like buying gold or silver, except you can take it out and use it. :) Being from Kalifornia I jumped as soon as I found out about them being legal again (with a small modification). I purchased a lower the day after I found out about it. Those of you living in free states, think back to when the ban was lifted not so long ago. How many people were running to get there AR. How soon do we forget, and if it can happen once it damn sure can happen again. |
I feel if they win the presidency, they will feel as if it's a mandate, or green light to enact any legislation they want. They can't stay away from this issue like a retard to a hotplate. |
Agreed, this is not an issue this election. I know, I know, "then why are they talking about it in the debates?" Because The Obamination and The Bullshit Bitch have to please the far-left. The far left wants gun control. Moderates/Conservatives don't. There's no support for a national ban, only 60 reps signed off on this year's proposal. Not to mention the landmark Heller case before the Supreme Court right now. I wouldn't worry about a ban, I'd worry about people jacking up the prices and fear mongering you into buying a bunch of stuff you really don't need right now. Just remember, Dems lost congress for 12 years after the last ban, they're not giving it up that easily again. ETA: If you want to worry about bans, this is what I would look at. .50 BMG is almost sure to go. Whoever is elected I'm sure that'll be targeted. It's too easy to argue that in the wrong hands that can cause serious damage. Also, if Obama were elected, I can see him issuing an executive order banning the importation of ammo. Other than that, I highly highly doubt a national AWB. State/local maybe, though I assume the Supreme Court will uphold the ruling of a lower court. If that's the case I wouldn't worry too much. You'll just end up paying a lot more for something you really don't need right now because someone convinces you the ban is coming, they simply want to make money off of you. Like said above, even if the ban is coming, we don't know what it'll do. So there's really no way you can prepare for it. |
Wonder if that includes her CCW? She is a hypocrite
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rukus5, first of all, very glad to have you with us and posting !! Let me address this MilSpec business hard and cold. There is not one AR-15 ( or lower) available commercially (to the buying public) that is MilSpec. NOT ONE. One company sold thousands of AR-15's to the public on the claim their rifle was MilSpec. That claim was NEVER true and the company has finally stopped those practices. 5sub (I would not save on my lower and would buy ArmaLite, Colt or RRA.) |
Latest numbers I saw said there are between 80-100 million gun owners, and over 270 million guns in the United States. A national ban is NOT a smart political move. Sure the Dems would love to do it, but they won't. They're not losing power just to ban a few guns. |
But that's never going to happen. She's also going to have to get a majority in the house. The last AWB proposed in there only had 60 co-signers. Not to mention she'll have to get around the Supreme Court. |
They couldn't. We can't come up for a plan to round up 12-20 million illegals. You think they can come up with a plan to round up 80-100 million gun owners, and 270 million+ guns? It's not possible, it's just a liberal fantasy. Like killing zombies is an ARFCOM fantasy. |
The Dims owe too much to the anti-gun left that funds them to avoid gun control. If Hitler/Obama is elected, look for a move in the first 90 days of their presidency.  5sub |
They're not going to win the election by the support of the far-left alone. Guns are selling at a record pace. Moderate voters are NOT going to support a ban. They will lose congress and the White House if they tried something like that. Gun control really isn't that important of an issue even to the far left. They're a lot more concerned with other issues. The "anti-gun left" isn't nearly as big as most of you think. It's just the only part of the left you see mentioned around here in any detail. By "anti gun left" I mean the part of the party that's #1 issue in gun control. That's not a very high number at all. |
I've heard for years that Feinstein has a CCW iin CA, but have never seen any real evidence. Can you provide a reference for this? I'd love to positively show all the gun grabbin liberals I know that their leaders don't think that restrictions on libery apply to them. |
help me educate myself: whats the difference? ive disassembled both m16 lowers and ar15 lowers and cant think of anything offhand that would be different. pin size, maybe? |
Both the NRA and Massad Ayoob have publish that fact. Sorry I can not give you more. It is true and the sources are out there. Good Hunting. |
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Things have changed since 1994. We have the best resourse for organization, and communication both to the elected people who work for us, and for uniting other gun owners. The govt. is us the people. A ban will only happen if we allow it to happen. Dont stop communication with the people who work FOR YOU. Promise to end their political careers if they think about more control. The talk about it being a forgone conclusion is giving up before the fact. |
The coming ban will be a total ban. Buy off the books. |
Oh I'm sure. They're going to round up 270 million firearms from 80 million people huh? Sounds do-able. Good God people. learn what you're talking about before you open your mouth. There's essentially NO support for a ban. There's no call for one, it'd be political suicide to ban guns in this day and age. Any federal ban isn't going to happen. State bans maybe, that is asuming they live through the Heller case, which I highly doubt. |
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They lie when they talk about "assault weapons" being the choice of criminals. We know that the vast majority of "crime guns" are small .22LR, .25ACP, .32ACP pistols. We know, can prove, with the government's own statistics that even if every "assault weapon" disappeared tomorrow, it would not make a blip on the murder rate. Ditto with "high capacity magazines." We know, can prove that criminals hardly ever buy guns at "gun shows", that most guns in criminal hands are stolen or obtained from relatives. We have a number of studies that show that "ballistic fingerprinting" will not work. So, we are better organized now. We have internet to keep us informed and to spread the news, instead of finding out about antigun legislation months after it has been passed. We need to keep politicians' feet to the fire, make them explain why they are wasting legislative time and pissing off the people over issues that will not do a thing to reduce crime. But we know what will reduce crime... arming the citizens. |
She was talking about assault weapons, not all guns. But yes, she does have a CCW and she's a typical limousine liberal elitist... protection for me but not for thee. She claimed she needs the CCW for protection from rabid gun owners.  BTW, I fixed your top quote. Sorry, but I hate top quotes. 
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Plenty of lowers out there right now. I just ordered one Varmint uppper and a CAR Kit from RRA and was told about 8 weeks for delivery 
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Disagree. Given the almost daily shootings in the news, my money is on a ban shortly after the inauguration. What's a few deaths of gun-toting nuts, anyway? |
Who cares if they don't have the support? A ban on sales is doable, it's you who's clueless if you think it can't happen. Just an EO away. |
No, 1993 there was not panic buying and shortages like 1999 (Y2K). During Y2K, preban guns sold for insane prices ($2000 was pretty much the Norm for a Preban Bushmaster or Colt at that time). Personally, I have been investing since 2004 and I have all the EBRs I personally need or want. I just hope there is no new law so that new guns can not be purchased.
How old are you? Perhaps your memory is a factor of your age... 1968 1986 1994 (luckily, this one expired THIS time) |
Well, lets make a list: AutoSear AutoSear pin Hammer Disconect(s) Carrier Bolt(?) Firing Pin Selector Lower receiver (milling as well as holes) I think that is the basic list of things that are different As 5subslr5 said, no AR-15 is Mil-Spec 
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Exactly, when I say no ban is coming, I'm saying no FEDERAL ban. It won't happen, the Liberals care about a hell of a lot more important things than guns. If they ban guns, something a lot of people don't support, they'll lose congress, the White House, and they'll never get anything else done. States might, there are states that can ban these things and get away with it. In states where the constitution allows for harsher local laws, some cities may ban them. The feds will not ban firearms, nor will the ban the purchase of new assault weapons. Like I said before, .50 BMG will probably go. People realize "assault weapons" are not the main use of criminals. Handguns are by far the most used guns in crimes. They may go after hi-cap magazines. Also, they could ban the importation of ammunition. These things they could probably get away with, but a full out firearms ban is absolute political suicide for years to come. An AWB is political suicide for at least the short term. They're not giving it up that easy. Anyone that thinks they would needs to open up to other parts of the political world. Sure you all think gun control is the most important thing in the world, most people don't. The Dems have many many more things on their list before gun control. |
Nah. Even if the Dems win, they'll have a hard time getting it past their "Blue Dogs", who know they would lose their seats in 2010 if they even touched the issue. I really don't think the Dems would be able to pull it off, unless they hit a home run this fall and pick up another 20-30 seats in the House which would render the Blue Dogs irrelevant. Still, I'm buying as much as I can afford this year. Because even if there's no ban forthcoming, the perception that Obama/Clinton/Democrat Congress will consider another ban will cause prices to spike, like they did in 1993-94. Get 'em now, while they're cheap. |
The only difference between an M16 lower and a current mfg AR15 lower may be a high shelf on some brands, or a larger FCG pin size on Colts. |
Compare production figures of AR15 rifles between 1964 and 1994. Then compare production figures for AR15 rifles between 1994 and 2008. |