Posted: 2/13/2008 8:59:39 PM EDT
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I was reading the NRA Publication I got from the instructor today. The book on page 48 & 49 say that: "Transporting within state: In many (but not all) states, a pistol may be transported legally in a motor vehicle if the pistol is unloaded, cased, and locked in the truck. As an additional precaution, it may be advisable yo disassemble the pistol and separate it it from any ammunition. Many states require a permit to transport a pistol within the state, and some jurisdictions within a state may totally prohibit any transportation or possesion of a pistol." Now let me get this right..... I'm taking a class so I can carry a pistol to defend myself.. but yet if someone tries to car jack me, I am f*cked because my pistol is locked away where i can't get to it? Someone please explain? |
better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6 |
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Many people confuse the different aspects of carrying a firearm. There are federal laws on the books for the general transporting of firearms. These apply to everyone. With that said, you may be able to have "relief" from those requirements if you are a CCW permit holder. It varies from state to state. My guess is that in LA, once you get your permit, you will be 100% legal to keep a handgun loaded and on your person while in your vehicle. You need to reference the specific CCW laws for your state, not the NRA's summary of various fed/local laws that apply to the populace at large and not specifically to CCW permit holders. |
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That book is the text used for the NRA's "Basic Pistol" course. It has absolutely zero to do with carrying a weapon for personal protection and how to legally carry concealed. A more applicable NRA course would be the "Personal Protection Outside of the Home" course that was introduced last year. He probably gave you the basic pistol book in order for you to familiar yourself with basic operations of the pistol and shooting positions. |
Sounds to me like I may need to find a different instructor for my concealed carry then. |
It depends on the state. In Virginia, for example, a "License to Carry a Concealed Handgun" entitles the bearer to carry a fully loaded concealed handgun on their person anywhere that isn't prohibited by law. (School, courtroom, etc...) A weapon that is unloaded and cased is NOT a concealed weapon. If there is a .44 magnum unloaded and cased in your trunk then you do not require a license in Virginia. Other states vary...some require a license to possess a weapon or a type of weapon, others require a license only if you are carrying a weapon on your person. (like in a holster) |
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This maybe slightly off topic but I need to add.... Even with a CHL, your still f#*ked depending upon how you define that. Regardless of how righteous the shoot, you WILL be arrested, fingerprinted, investigated, submitted to your anal exam... ...spend the day (at least) at the popo station, probably charged, but maybe only referred to a Grand Jury... You will need a lawyer... If your charged, you won't be buying any guns for a long while...and if your not you will be in limbo for some time not knowing exactly what your status is so you won't be buying any guns.... In fact, your guns will be entertaining the custody clerk at the local popo... Hey, its great that you have defended yourself, but the powers-that-be won't like you much for it. Visit many of the CHL forums around the 'net.... Figure you will spend 10K average if your "no billed..." A whole lot more if your charged... ...and don't forget the possible civil suit... Just another thing to think about while your learning all those "rights" you have.... Not trying to shit on you for the CHL thing, just don't get too worked up about the technicalities of law and be realistic about what will actually happen when and if you use that weapon. I have had a CHL for a long time, and it ain't like combat....  CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired) |
Well that is about screwed up. For all of that, maybe I should just say the hell with concealed carry. |
How about we take a second from spreading bullshit theories to honestly discuss what is possible, vice spreading doom and gloom about things that you have no clue about.  Edit: I can think of several self defense shootings, one right here in my town, in which nothing happened beyond the shooter giving a statement and relenquishing his firearm (only the one used) to the evidence locker for a little while. Your bullshit scenarios aren't always the case. |
I hear ya, but I just need to remind myself and all those others the reality of the situation. I live in Texas, a state known for the support for one's right to defend oneself and property... ...and that scenario is pretty much standard here. I weep at what happens in other areas... Just be realistic and understand there are many powerful people that will attempt to take you down if you dare to defend yourself.  CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired) |
This is often the case with legit shootings. |
Bullshit theories? Well, we ended this conversation quickly with that didn't we. CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired) |
I guess that depends on whether or not you're willing to debate your view of things with somebody who can actually refute the crap you're spewing as gospel. You tell me. |
You really shouldn't get on the computer and get to typing things you can't support. One of the students who took their Carry Permit class through the school at which I teach was involved in a defensive shooting a few years ago. The student, who we'll call Mr. Brown, stopped at a gas station to get himself a soda. As he went to get into his SUV, someone opened the back door and attempted to carjack Mr. Brown. Well, Mr. Brown wasn't going to stand for that, so he drew his weapon, stepped out of the vehicle, and leveled the gun at the would-be carjacker. Mr. Brown repeatedly ordered him out of the vehicle, but he refused to comply. After several commands to exit the vehicle, the carjacker reached down between his legs, causing Mr. Brown to fear that he was grabbing a gun. Mr. Brown shot him three times, in the chest, killing him on the spot. When the cops arrived, the asked what happened, and Mr. Brown explained it to them. He told them that when the perp reached down, he was in fear for his life, thinking that the perp was going to kill him, so he shot to stop the threat. The cops searched the car, but couldn't find a gun. Want to guess where Mr. Brown spent that night, and many nights after that? He was at home within an hour of the shooting, it having been ruled justified. Oh, and he got to take his gun home with him, as well. The laws vary from State to State, and the outcome of a defensive shooting is going to be reliant on the totality of the situation. If it happens in a State like TN or TX, and the shooting is obviously clean and justifiable, there's no reason to expect you'll be placed on a torture rack for it. Oh, and here in TN, we have a wonderful piece of legislation, called The Good Samaritan Protection Act of 1999, which prohibits criminals, or their families from suing someone who uses their firearm to stop a violent crime from happening. (That doesn't mean you can't be sued by a third party for causing damage or injury to a third party, though.) So, in short, not all defensive shootings end like you prophesy they will. |
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OEF_VET, I think you're wasting your time. Our CCW prophet has decided, I think, that he no longer wishes to partake in conversation with people who don't take his words at face value. I seem to remember a little about the shooting you mention. Wasn't he using a .44 Magnum for some reason or other? There was much mention of the fact he was using such a "cannon" for self defense? |
I can't remember for certain if it was a .44 or a .45, but I believe it was a .44. |
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Ya know, I came here to this site as a lurker back in 2002 and didn't know jack flying fuck about guns and was actually pretty anti-gun at the time. But as I read people's threads, looking at pictures and videos, I started to see the other side of the story on gun issues as I educated myself. Let me correct myself there, others educated me because I was reading thier postings. So for the past 6 years I have been shooting rifles (bolt & semi) and learned quite alot about them. I have also shot handguns and owned a couple and sold them because to me..... there is nothing to match long range precision. But now with the way our government is, I want to shoot handguns more often and learn how to use them in a more efficient manner than just ghetto pulling the trigger. I want to get my concealed carry and protect myself and possibly others if needed be. So CPO, you can take your bullshit in someone else's thread because this is "MY THREAD", "MY LIFE", and "MY RIGHT" to get a concealed carry and protect myself. I read your posting in this thread and started to do some thinking. I came to the conclusion that you aren't far left wing, but close to it to pull that shit. I know because I was there and you remind me of HOW I USE TO BE. And your comment about ending my thread......... nice try you pompas ass. I will bump this thread just out of spite to you. And thank you to everyone who has taken thier time to help explain things to me. |
A. This really isn't necessarily true depending on where you are located....in most of the US a good shot will not be arrested, and have to pay 10k in legal fees. B. Even if it WAS true...so what. The alternative is being dead...having your family be dead...or having your family raped, tortured, and THEN made dead. I'll take the shot ever time regardless of the outcome for me if it saves the life of my wife and/or children...no second thoughts, I've already made up my mind on that one. |
The civil suit is no longer applicable in TX(not sure about LA) unless you shoot a bystander. |