[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Place your bets. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/2/2008 7:11:16 AM EDT
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Ron Paul won't win the Presidency. I'll give you great odds: 100 to 1. You bet $100, I'll bet $10,000. Any takers?  No? Nobody? Not one? If not, why have you donated to his campaign? What did you think would happen? |
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I’ve supported him since he formed his exploratory committee, but I’ve never expected him to win - I’m actually surprised he made it beyond 1-2% in some primaries. The truth is most Americans don’t want a libertarian minded president. I’ll continue to support the cause though. And no, I’m not taking that bet. |
May people dont know who he is or what he stands for and voted in the primaries based on what names they heard in the news. |
I gave a little here and I gave a little there. What's to you? |
Your question is why we donated to his campaign. If you want honest answers, it is only reasonable that you tell us who you donated to and why. |
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Actually, I have to be honest... I don't really give a damn WHY anyone donated to Ron Paul's campaign. I just want to see if there a single one of you with the courage of your convictions to put your money where your mouth is. This is a Hundred Dollar table. The odds are Ten to One. Place your bets. |
this makes no sense, no one (rational) doubts he is a long shot, people don't support him because he's the most electable, they support him because he is the candidate that best represents their views. Using your logic, people should support Hillary since she is the most likely to win. |
 Waiting to see if a single of the many delusional Ron Paul supporter who persist in claiming that he actually has a chance, will put his money where his mouth is. ETA: Cinci - are the odds 1 to 100 or 1 to 10? (your intitial posts says one thing, and your later post says another). Doesn't really matter, since nobody will take (and pay) your bet. |
Your idea of logic is faulty. I'm just taking bets. You say that "no one (rational) doubts he is a long shot". How about 100 to 1? Those are "long shot" odds. If there is just one, single Paul supporter who believes his candidate has a snowball's chance in Hell, here's your chance to turn a nice profit. Is there even ONE? No? |
I don't understand why this candidate in particular has to have a good chance of winning to deserve support. Many people here on ARFcom (inculding myself) supported Fred Thompson despite the fact that he had very little chance of winning. Yet for some reason, Fred supporters were not derided like Ron Paul supporters are. |
Somehow out of the race with 2 delegates isn't worse than in the race with 6 in some people's strange world. |
I am not a Ron Paul supporter. But I will attempt to answer your question. In the primaries you should support the candidate that best matches your views. Now obviously you are hopefull your candidate will win. But if not you at least want him in the debates and getting his message out in an attempt to 1. move the party as a whole in his direction and 2. so your candidate has some input into the party platform come the convention. If your candidate does well enough he may also get to speak at the convention further pushing the party in his direction. Tom Tancredo is a good example of this. Most of the candidates moved to the right on immigration in response to Tancredo hammerig that issue in early debates. |
I've heard many news analysts talk about why Fred Thompson did not do well, and about how he had a lot of original support, and how he was the candidate that had "all the right ingredients" but still failed (for a variety of reasons) The difference is that Thompson appeared to be a viable candidate with a real chance. He still failed - as will EVERY presidential candidate except one. Ron Paul was NEVER a viable candidate, and NEVER had a snowball's chance in hell. Everyone except his fanatical and delusional supporters understand this. I'm not deriding ALL his followers. many are reasonable people, who KNEW that he never had a chance, but supported him out of principle, or who supported him to keep him alive as long as possible so that he would have a national platform for his ideas. While I disagree with those people, I respect their choice to support a candidate that they feel they have agreement on the issues with. The Ron Paul followers I have nothing but derision and mockery for, are the ones who have somehow convinced themselves that he actually has a real chance, and that he could win a general election against Hillary or Obama. Those people are delusional. |
Cinci, Anyone with a brain wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole. HH |
Nothing strange about it. I realize you don't get it. That's fine. Place a bet? |
So you are saying that some Ron Paul supporters WILL take the bet? |
But there are SO many Ron PAul supporters who fall into that category! I should be able to get at least ONE bet. A troofer? A Hippie? An 88? Maybe one of those guys who spent $20,000 preparing for Y2K? 
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It certainly would not surprise me.  HH |
Why don't you explain to me how Guiliani is doing better than Paul. |
Place the bet and find out.  Whats 200 bucks between friends? |
I don't think anyone who has been on this site for a long time would seriously doubt the word of Cincinnatus. If he says he'll do something, I trust his word. |
Sorry, I'm going to consider any where from 100 - 1000, there's no fucking way anyone, would do that without escrow. |
On a bet this large, it is not unreasonable to require the money on the table, so to speak. |
Nonsense. Cincinattus is a trustworthy man of integrity. You cannot expect him to tie of tens of thousands of investments for eight months.  Come up with a better excuse if you are afraid to take the bet. |
It has nothing to with fear, just practicality. I am a gambler and I know a sucker bet when I see one. |
thats bullshit, no one who is a serious bettor would make this bet without escrow, I don't care how good of a rep the person has. |
Okay. Giuliani cannot win. Therefore he is no longer in the race. Get it? |
No offense, but that is a pathetic excuse. After all, YOU are not risking a lot, so there is little danger to YOU. If you want to stick with that story as a reason for not betting, go ahead, but I think everyone sees it for what it is. |
 Okay...Let me get this straight.... Now you won't take the bet because you can't be certain I'd pay off? Sure thing, Mr. Vegas.
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He puts the money in escrow I will consider it. I trust no one to payout that type of money. Anyone who does is a fool. |
Stop running your mouth. You made a bet, no one in their right mind would take you up without escrow. ARE YOU WILLING TO USE ESCROW? |
I'm sure that $100 is a tremendous strain and stretch for you....just admit that RP can't win--and you know it. Cinci has already proven his point. HH |
 That is so transparent. How about this: I am also a long-time member on this board. Many old members know me personally (like thebeekeeper1, Aimless). In all my posting over the years, I have never told a lie, and I have never screwed anyone or welched on any deal. I've sold things occasionally, but more often I've given stuff away to a variety of members. I think I have a very good reputation here. I will personally guarantee this bet. If you win, and Cincinnatus doesn't pay you the $10,000 winnings, then I will personally pay it. And you can pick one of my ARs as well, for the trouble. |