Posted: 1/3/2008 7:47:30 PM EDT
| What shouldn't we be able to do to get information from terror suspects? |
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Depends on what we think the person knows. If there is a nuke about to go off and ding bat knows where it is there probably isnt anything I wouldnt condone to try and get the info out of him. Generally Id say anything is a go if there is a pending major and or imminent attack and there is a reasonable chance if stopping it. Run of the mill captured low level insurgents? Nothing that is going to permanently fuck them up, and from what I have seen it only takes 10 minutes to a couple hours to crack them (I supervised an Iraqi interogation facility for 4 months) and a hand was never laid on them. Usually they came out of the room crying just from getting yelled at a bit. |
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Anything that won't compromise the fourth generation of warfare we are fighting in Iraq. Torturing suspects yields shitty information from a suspect who will say anything to make the pain stop. Hell people being tortured during the Inquisition would say all kinds of stupid shit to make the pain stop. What we should do is continue down the path of nation building that is really yielding results in Iraq. The Iraqis are turning in the foreign terrorists or killing them on site. Hurting people and creating bad blood only damages our efforts it doesn't help them. Torture doesn't work and is sloppy HUMIT gathering. Think about it if a suspect is being tortured by U.S personell because someone falsly claimed he or she knew somthing that torture would only create a new terrorist not lesson the threat of terrorism. |
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Secret Police Interview Tactics It all really depends on what they know or might know. If they know something about nukes or imminent terror attacks... Well... lets just say I think they'd like to meet mr Rotan... 
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I think it all depends on where and what they were doing when they got picked up...some shlep in Miami taking pictures vs. some Islamic Terrorist renting a white van who has been under watch for months vs. a terrorist picked up on the battle field... The last two get no mercy...the 1st one gets barking dogs and womans panties on his head. |
Yep totally agree. Torture has worked to say it doesn't is a myth. Yes if done improperly torture can yield unreliable results but the fact even if a source gives you information easily you still confirm it. Easy route or hard route you still have to confirm your source. Torture doesn't work if you are lazy and don't follow up right. Torturing someone isn't about just hurting them and taking whatever they say and running with it. Taking away any possibility of torture is a really bad thing. If the dirtbags know you will only play mind games their will to resist is possibility stronger. Not torturing doesn't now or ever guarantee that our troops will be treated nicely. I can't think of any enemy that we have faced in the last century that has said, OH they are nice to our troops we'll be nice right back. There are MANY things you can do with a source before you start hurting them. If you have the time. Many of those things work just fine. Many of them work because they leave the source with the idea that they MAY be tortured. Ultimately I don't give a shit what we do to someone that just set off an IED and killed and or crippled some of our troops. I don't care what they do to someone that might have information that keeps a mall from being blown up or another 9/11 from happening. I'd prefer we leave this up to the experts and if they think some SOB needs to be smacked around then fine by me. |
| One thing to consider in counter terror inteligence gathering is that the "small " meaningless actions of one group usually are part of a bigger plan or action that provide support for other groups or cells...so I think that psychological and physical persuasive techniques are necessary for any threat to the national security when related to terrorism activities. |
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I believe it is wrong. It is wrong for the president, congress, or any military personel to condone torture. We kicked the japaneese and the Germans asses with out condoning torture and we can do the same to alQaida. By torturing prisioners in my opinion tarnishes all that my grandfather and others fought for in WW II. It is a discrace for our country and our forefathers would be ashamed. |
It's not torture...it's interrogation. |
Such a fine noble idea young man. Come to the real world soon. TXL |
If it prevents another 9/11 .....BRING THE JUMPER CABLES!!!!! |
Yes, more rose colored glasses from our favorite lib on arfcom. We'll stop when they stop mortaring us from mousqes and chopping off our heads and dragging our burning bodies behind trucks or hanging our mutilated bodies from bridges or crashing planes into buildings and maybe they can stop the suicide attacks. I know, I know...2 wrongs dont make a right...so save it. If you sign you play, if your enemy didn't sign, you dont play. |
In this case, neither signed. However, doesn't the Geneva Convention allow battlefield executions of non-uniformed combatants. |
Yes...also, we can also execute those fighting from a church or place of worship as well...IIRC. |