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12/30/2007 8:36:15 PM EDT
Doing some research for building a period correct flintlock it seems that the rifle actually originated here in PA or at the very least the finest gunsmiths and gun makers resided in Pennsylvania.  A skilled rifleman could shoot incredible groups at 200-250 yards with a good flintlock.  

Im looking at the Jim Chambers Christian Springs rifle by Edward Marshall.  Built between 1760 and 1770.

12/31/2007 11:03:00 AM EDT
[#1]
No respones?  And you call yourselves riflemen..
12/31/2007 11:05:24 AM EDT
[#2]
yup its all about the follow through!
12/31/2007 11:07:28 AM EDT
[#3]
I have an original mountain rifle of the 1860's and she will shoot 6" groups at 200 yards all day long.  
12/31/2007 11:09:14 AM EDT
[#4]
Check this out I love this gun

www.palongrifles.com/home/PicturePages/Pics_reading.htm
12/31/2007 11:11:52 AM EDT
[#5]
The rifle was invented in Germany I believe. PA had a lot of German immigrants, which is why the rifle was made their early on. Not everything gun related came from the USA.
12/31/2007 11:16:02 AM EDT
[#6]

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Doing some research for building a period correct flintlock it seems that the rifle actually originated here in PA or at the very least the finest gunsmiths and gun makers resided in Pennsylvania.  A skilled rifleman could shoot incredible groups at 200-250 yards with a good flintlock.  

Im looking at the Jim Chambers Christian Springs rifle by Edward Marshall.  Built between 1760 and 1770.



You can't go wrong with a Chambers Kit. I have known Jim many years & he stands behind his products. If you want an education on flintlocks come to Friendship in the spring. Most all of the "masters" are there. Jim has a booth on "rifle row."
Hessian-1
12/31/2007 11:17:21 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Doing some research for building a period correct flintlock it seems that the rifle actually originated here in PA or at the very least the finest gunsmiths and gun makers resided in Pennsylvania.  A skilled rifleman could shoot incredible groups at 200-250 yards with a good flintlock.  

Im looking at the Jim Chambers Christian Springs rifle by Edward Marshall.  Built between 1760 and 1770.


Christian Springs is not that far West of where I live.  Many, many German craftsmen came into PA, thanks to Billy Penn, and brought their skills with them.

You will find that the rifles change, as fathers taught their skills to their sons and the tastes and needs of the Colonists were different then Old Europe.

Jim Chambers is a VERY good place to start with your search.

Do you have this?

Recreating the American Longrifle by William Buchele, George Shumway, Peter Alexander



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No respones?  And you call yourselves riflemen..


What build are you going for?  Berks County? Bucks County? Lancaster County? Lehigh County? York County?
12/31/2007 11:17:21 AM EDT
[#8]

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The rifle was invented in Germany I believe. PA had a lot of German immigrants, which is why the rifle was made their early on. Not everything gun related came from the USA.


Correct, I did find that German gunmakers had been experimenting with rifled barrels before they settled here.  

12/31/2007 11:18:53 AM EDT
[#9]

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Check this out I love this gun

www.palongrifles.com/home/PicturePages/Pics_reading.htm


Nice left-handed flintlock!

Hessian-1
12/31/2007 11:20:06 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Doing some research for building a period correct flintlock it seems that the rifle actually originated here in PA or at the very least the finest gunsmiths and gun makers resided in Pennsylvania.  A skilled rifleman could shoot incredible groups at 200-250 yards with a good flintlock.  

Im looking at the Jim Chambers Christian Springs rifle by Edward Marshall.  Built between 1760 and 1770.


Christian Springs is not that far West of where I live.  Many, many German craftsmen came into PA, thanks to Billy Penn, and brought their skills with them.

You will find that the rifles change, as fathers taught their skills to their sons and the tastes and needs of the Colonists were different then Old Europe.

Jim Chambers is a VERY good place to start with your search.

Do you have this?

Recreating the American Longrifle by William Buchele, George Shumway, Peter Alexander



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No respones?  And you call yourselves riflemen..


What build are you going for?  Berks County? Bucks County? Lancaster County? Lehigh County? York County?


Looking at this rifle.  Wont be until Spring when I get home from Med deployment though..

here

The Christian Springs rifle. here is a pic
12/31/2007 11:21:25 AM EDT
[#11]

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Quoted:
Check this out I love this gun

www.palongrifles.com/home/PicturePages/Pics_reading.htm


Nice left-handed flintlock!

Hessian-1


What where is the black plastic!!! Tapco needs to get on that pronto!
12/31/2007 11:29:47 AM EDT
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Looking at this rifle.  Wont be until Spring when I get home from Med deployment though..

here

The Christian Springs rifle. here is a pic


You can tell that this is a transitional developement because of it still retains many of the Jäger features.

Not bad at all.

Stay safe and we'll see you back here soon enough!

Happy New Year!!
12/31/2007 2:08:07 PM EDT
[#13]

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Looking at this rifle.  Wont be until Spring when I get home from Med deployment though..

here

The Christian Springs rifle. here is a pic


You can tell that this is a transitional developement because of it still retains many of the Jäger features.

Not bad at all.


Stay safe and we'll see you back here soon enough!

Happy New Year!!



thanx I dont leave until the end of JAN but your right it has a blend of style.  I like the straighter and higher comb of the jager rifles but also the thin well balanced and long lines of the American guns, this gun has a little of both and would be correct for militia riflemen of the Revolution so Im told..
12/31/2007 2:40:41 PM EDT
[#14]
I need more practice but I can't hit shit(groupwise) with my flintlock.  The delay between pulling the trigger and the rifle firing is very long. I would be luck to get a 2 foot group offhand at 100 yards.
12/31/2007 2:43:28 PM EDT
[#15]

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I need more practice but I can't hit shit(groupwise) with my flintlock.  The delay between pulling the trigger and the rifle firing is very long. I would be luck to get a 2 foot group offhand at 100 yards.


try less powder in the flash pan and before you shoot tap the powder away from the flash hole.  A delay in firing is usually cause by too much flash powder and it acts as a fuse burning down to the touch hole and then igniting the main charge.  A small amount, no more than 3-4 grains is plenty.  
12/31/2007 2:47:37 PM EDT
[#16]
I am definitely using too much then, and I do run it into the touch hole like a fuse. I will try a new technique.
12/31/2007 4:10:44 PM EDT
[#17]

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...this gun has a little of both and would be correct for militia riflemen of the Revolution so Im told..


It would be if you are dressing like Pennsylvania Dutch and speaking the Plautdietsch dialect!
12/31/2007 4:32:07 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

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...this gun has a little of both and would be correct for militia riflemen of the Revolution so Im told..


It would be if you are dressing like Pennsylvania Dutch and speaking the Plautdietsch dialect!


either way I like the rifle and Chambers site says the original rifle was carefully measured and photo'd to make the kits as accurate as possible to the original..  
12/31/2007 4:32:53 PM EDT
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I am definitely using too much then, and I do run it into the touch hole like a fuse. I will try a new technique.


One third of the pan is plenty.  
12/31/2007 4:37:40 PM EDT
[#20]
I think a Jim Chambers kit is the way to go.  Marsh Jim (as I've called him) puts out some quality kits and the best locks in the market.  If there's a problem, Jim replaces it muy pronto (or his daugther Barbie will).   I've seen his Marshall Gun and like it and may one day build it myself.

BTW, our long rifle evolved from the German/Swiss jaeger rifle.  The bore became smaller (to stretch the lead) and the barrel longer (it was thought at the time that longer barrels gave more time for the powder to burn).  Correspondingly, the gun also became slimmer and in some respects, simpler.  George Shumway has an excellent book out on the jaeger rifle.  When it came to military jaegers, Shumway told me that there was no set pattern and that it all depended on who paid for it.  Prussia was known to be very tight fisted and did away with all frills.  Expect less or no inlays, relief carving, engraving or wire inlay in a Prussian jaeger.