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12/28/2007 7:53:50 AM EDT
No weasel words here... video at link.

scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2007/12/ron_paul_rejects_evolution.php
12/28/2007 7:57:33 AM EDT
[#1]
Is this going to be a thread where Creationists put their heads in the sand and claim that Evolution attempts to explain the origin of all life in the Universe rather than accept that Evolution is a well-documented fact that is seen thousands of times a day?

12/28/2007 7:58:47 AM EDT
[#2]
12/28/2007 7:58:54 AM EDT
[#3]

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Is this going to be a thread where Creationists put their heads in the sand and claim that Evolution attempts to explain the origin of all life in the Universe rather than accept that Evolution is a well-documented fact that is seen thousands of times a day?



Yes.


Why do you ask?


<still waiting on that intermediate form playtypus fossil>

12/28/2007 7:59:53 AM EDT
[#4]

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Is this going to be a thread where Creationists put their heads in the sand and claim that Evolution attempts to explain the origin of all life in the Universe rather than accept that Evolution is a well-documented fact that is seen thousands of times a day?



Where did the first living thing come from?
12/28/2007 8:00:00 AM EDT
[#5]

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Is this going to be a thread where Creationists put their heads in the sand and claim that Evolution attempts to explain the origin of all life in the Universe rather than accept that Evolution is a well-documented fact that is seen thousands of times a day?



Hey you catch on fast!  RP is reaching for votes

IBTL.
12/28/2007 8:00:05 AM EDT
[#6]
Give it a rest.  Most of Ron Paul's supporters are evolunists and pro-choice.  They are supporting him because he stands for liberty.  
12/28/2007 8:00:55 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

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Is this going to be a thread where Creationists put their heads in the sand and claim that Evolution attempts to explain the origin of all life in the Universe rather than accept that Evolution is a well-documented fact that is seen thousands of times a day?



Where did the first living thing come from?


Evolution does not address that question.
12/28/2007 8:01:13 AM EDT
[#8]
I heard he spit on a sidewalk once also. I'm still voting for him.
12/28/2007 8:01:29 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Is this going to be a thread where Creationists put their heads in the sand and claim that Evolution attempts to explain the origin of all life in the Universe rather than accept that Evolution is a well-documented fact that is seen thousands of times a day?



Where did the first living thing come from?


It was invented by the same thing that invented the Creator.   You know, since EVERYTHING has a creator, even the creator.
12/28/2007 8:02:23 AM EDT
[#10]

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Give it a rest.  Most of Ron Paul's supporters are evolunists and pro-choice.  They are supporting him because he stands for liberty.  


Most of Ron Paul's supporters support him because they don't seem to understand one of two things:

1. What he actually stands for
2. How U.S. government actually works.




Either way, it doesn't matter since he has ZERO chance of winning the Republican nomination.  He continues to be an entertaining sideshow that provides amusement while the real contenders vie for the Republican nomination.
12/28/2007 8:03:00 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Give it a rest.  Most of Ron Paul's supporters are evolunists and pro-choice.  They are supporting him because he stands for liberty cowardice and weakness for our nation.  
12/28/2007 8:04:08 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Is this going to be a thread where Creationists put their heads in the sand and claim that Evolution attempts to explain the origin of all life in the Universe rather than accept that Evolution is a well-documented fact that is seen thousands of times a day?



Where did the first living thing come from?


The question of bio-genesis is completely separate from that of development of bio-diversity.  The two things have nothing to do with each other, and the mechanism of one has nothing to do with the mechanism of the other.

If you think that the debate about evolution has something to do with "where the first living thing came from" then you are misunderstanding the entire debate.
12/28/2007 8:05:42 AM EDT
[#13]
Pro-choice evolutionist… a powerful demographic group if there ever was one.
12/28/2007 8:06:21 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Is this going to be a thread where Creationists put their heads in the sand and claim that Evolution attempts to explain the origin of all life in the Universe rather than accept that Evolution is a well-documented fact that is seen thousands of times a day?



Where did the first living thing come from?


It was hatched from an egg laid by a Space Turtle.
12/28/2007 8:06:23 AM EDT
[#15]
A new epithet for Ron Paul- "shit-for-brains."
12/28/2007 8:07:01 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Give it a rest.  Most of Ron Paul's supporters are evolunists and pro-choice.  They are supporting him because he stands for liberty.  


Most of Ron Paul's supporters support him because they don't seem to understand one of two things:

1. What he actually stands for
2. How U.S. government actually works.




Either way, it doesn't matter since he has ZERO chance of winning the Republican nomination.  He continues to be an entertaining sideshow that provides amusement while the real contenders vie for the Republican nomination.

Dk,

Acutally, here at work, we have been discussing this primaries whole bunch.  Both liberal and conservative coworkers are supporting Ron Paul.  This was after they have done their research.  Before that, they all said Ron Paul was crazy.
12/28/2007 8:07:15 AM EDT
[#17]


Which "evolution"?

Macroevolution?
Microevolution?
Converging evolution?
Diverging evolution?
Punctuated equillibrium?
Gradualism?
Quantum evolution?


12/28/2007 8:08:00 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Pro-choice evolutionist… a powerful demographic group if there ever was one.


Who are Ron Paul supporters?  Very diverse group.  

http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/2007/12/who_are_ron_pauls_supporters.html
12/28/2007 8:08:19 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Either way, it doesn't matter since he has ZERO chance of winning the Republican nomination.  He continues to be an entertaining sideshow that provides amusement while the real contenders vie for the Republican nomination.


Nothing else needs to be said… thread over.
12/28/2007 8:08:29 AM EDT
[#20]


12/28/2007 8:08:49 AM EDT
[#21]
Evolution is for the birds, Darwin is a loon.
12/28/2007 8:09:28 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Either way, it doesn't matter since he has ZERO chance of winning the Republican nomination.  He continues to be an entertaining sideshow that provides amusement while the real contenders vie for the Republican nomination.


Nothing else needs to be said… thread over.

Would you like to bet?  Sherrick is doing $10.00 if Ron Paul wins a state.  Why not start your own bet.
12/28/2007 8:09:48 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Give it a rest.  Most of Ron Paul's supporters are evolunists and pro-choice.  They are supporting him because he stands for liberty.  


Most of Ron Paul's supporters support him because they don't seem to understand one of two things:

1. What he actually stands for
2. How U.S. government actually works.




Either way, it doesn't matter since he has ZERO chance of winning the Republican nomination.  He continues to be an entertaining sideshow that provides amusement while the real contenders vie for the Republican nomination.


I think his chances have risen to .0000000001% chance of nomination now.

BigDozer66
12/28/2007 8:10:14 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Pro-choice evolutionist… a powerful demographic group if there ever was one.


Who are Ron Paul supporters?  Very diverse group.  

http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/2007/12/who_are_ron_pauls_supporters.html


Oh I agree… he attracts all sorts of fringe groups kinda like a coalition of the absurd.
12/28/2007 8:10:29 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Which "evolution"?

Macroevolution?
Microevolution?
Converging evolution?
Diverging evolution?
Punctuated equillibrium?
Gradualism?
Quantum evolution?





Doesnt matter. Rejecting any of them because of "faith", is just as idiotic.
12/28/2007 8:14:17 AM EDT
[#26]
It is clear that Ron Paul, God's Only Chosen Man Who Can Save America, knows more about this than other people, because he is a DAWKTER.

DAWKTER Ron Paul knows that human sprang forth from the space comet Hale Bopp approximately four hundred thousand years ago, and that upon becoming president, the prophesy will be fulfilled and he can return home with his 666,666 followers to his palace in the comet.
12/28/2007 8:15:06 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Pro-choice evolutionist… a powerful demographic group if there ever was one.


Who are Ron Paul supporters?  Very diverse group.  

http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/2007/12/who_are_ron_pauls_supporters.html


Oh I agree… he attracts all sorts of fringe groups kinda like a coalition of the absurd.

Not to disrespect but I can see the attitude of Faux News in your post.  Various people at work are supporting him.  They are all fringe, right?
12/28/2007 8:16:35 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
It is clear that Ron Paul, God's Only Chosen Man Who Can Save America, knows more about this than other people, because he is a DAWKTER.

DAWKTER Ron Paul knows that human sprang forth from the space comet Hale Bopp approximately four hundred thousand years ago, and that upon becoming president, the prophesy will be fulfilled and he can return home with his 666,666 followers to his palace in the comet.

Ron Paul never invoked God.  That's Huckabee you are confusing with.  Ron Paul is strict constitutianalist who believes in separation of church and state.
12/28/2007 8:17:23 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Which "evolution"?

Macroevolution?
Microevolution?
Converging evolution?
Diverging evolution?
Punctuated equillibrium?
Gradualism?
Quantum evolution?


Doesnt matter. Rejecting any of them because of "faith", is just as idiotic.

Nothing idiotic about faith - it takes a huge amount of faith to keep believing in an ever-changing idea of "evolution" especially when 99% of what scientists have said is true turns out to be not quite true decades later.

When I was in school, gradualism was THE accepted explanation for evolution, and it was taken on faith that the scientists understood evolution.

Today, gradualism is accepted by hardly anyone anymore. Apparently most scientists lost faith in that explanation and have mostly all accepted punctuated equillibrium now... for the time being.


12/28/2007 8:18:10 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Give it a rest.  Most of Ron Paul's supporters are evolunists and pro-choice.  They are supporting him because he stands for liberty.  


Most of Ron Paul's supporters support him because they don't seem to understand one of two things:

1. What he actually stands for
2. How U.S. government actually works.




Either way, it doesn't matter since he has ZERO chance of winning the Republican nomination.  He continues to be an entertaining sideshow that provides amusement while the real contenders vie for the Republican nomination.

Dk,

Acutally, here at work, we have been discussing this primaries whole bunch.  Both liberal and conservative coworkers are supporting Ron Paul.  This was after they have done their research.  Before that, they all said Ron Paul was crazy.


No offense, but I question the "research" your coworkers have done.  The closer peopel look at Ron Paul, the more insane he is.  

Just yesterday, he was asked repeatedly on several newschannels how he would handle the developing Pakistan situation, and he has NO ANSWER.  People like Wolf Blitzer on CNN, and someone else on MSNBC just asked him what he would do if he were president right now - and he had NO ANSWER.  He would start babbling about completely unrelated stuff, and talking about how we should just "trade with people and make friends" - and refused to answer what he woudl do about a situation like a Pakistan (a huge muslim nation with nuclear weapons).  When asked about the danger or Pakistan's nuclear weapons falling into the wrong hands, he just started mumbling nonsensical stuff about the possibility of other nuclear weapons from former Soviet republics falling into the wrong hands, and babbled about the CIA working in the past to overthrow governments in the middle east , and refused to answer the actual question about what to do about Pakistan's nuclear weapons, and how to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.

He literally had no answer to any of the questions as to what he woudl actually DO as President in a potential crisis like this.  It is the simplest thing for a Presidential candidate to answer a question about "what would you do if you were president right now?" - and he was compeltely unable to come up with anything.

He seems to persist in his compeltely delusional belief that if we just pull out of the rest of the world (and just "trade and make friends") then everyone in the world will love us, and nobody will want to harm us.  

My wife saw the interviews, and her response was "He is completely insane"

He has ZERO chance of getting the Republican nomination.  

If you think he has a chance, there are many people on this site - myself included - that would be happy to offer you a bet.  Would you like to bet $100 or $1000?


12/28/2007 8:18:36 AM EDT
[#31]
I don't care if Ron Paul believes he sprang forth from Zues' forehead.  What I care about is his view on the Constitution and liberty.  

Ron Paul has no chance and only a fool would believe otherwise, but my hope is Ron Paul's message about the Constitution and how we desperately need to go back to it will grown and maybe get people talking.  Who knows, by 2012 we might have a good candidate that can run on those values and a grassroots campaign and get into office, either locally, at the state level , in Congress, or as President.
12/28/2007 8:18:48 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Not to disrespect but I can see the attitude of Faux News in your post.  Various people at work are supporting him.  They are all fringe, right?


Most Paul supporters I have met have been so because they were ill informed.

For example, most parrot the line of "he is for a strong defense" because they do not know the truth, that he wants an 80% cut in defense,

The vast majority of Paul supporters, once shown his own words on defense and how idiotic they are, reject his views.

Have you told the folks at work about his "cut 80% of defense" stance, or are you parroting the lie of his being for a "strong defense"?
12/28/2007 8:20:46 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It is clear that Ron Paul, God's Only Chosen Man Who Can Save America, knows more about this than other people, because he is a DAWKTER.

DAWKTER Ron Paul knows that human sprang forth from the space comet Hale Bopp approximately four hundred thousand years ago, and that upon becoming president, the prophesy will be fulfilled and he can return home with his 666,666 followers to his palace in the comet.

Ron Paul never invoked God.  That's Huckabee you are confusing with.  Ron Paul is strict constitutianalist who believes in separation of church and state.


where is that thing about "separation of church and state" again?
12/28/2007 8:22:06 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Pro-choice evolutionist… a powerful demographic group if there ever was one.


Who are Ron Paul supporters?  Very diverse group.  

http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/2007/12/who_are_ron_pauls_supporters.html


Oh I agree… he attracts all sorts of fringe groups kinda like a coalition of the absurd.

Not to disrespect but I can see the attitude of Faux News in your post.  Various people at work are supporting him.  They are all fringe, right?


And I see the attitude of the fringe in your post, most that use that Faux BS are fringe or worse… and yes the vast majority supporting Ron Paul are fringe nuts or worse.
12/28/2007 8:22:35 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Nothing idiotic about faith - it takes a huge amount of faith to keep believing in an ever-changing idea of "evolution" especially when 99% of what scientists have said is true turns out to be not quite true decades later.

When I was in school, gradualism was THE accepted explanation for evolution, and it was taken on faith that the scientists understood evolution.

Today, gradualism is accepted by hardly anyone anymore. Apparently most scientists lost faith in that explanation and have mostly all accepted punctuated equillibrium now... for the time being.





I dont mean having faith is idiotic, I mean rejecting scientific facts based on your faith is idiotic.



You must have been in school a long time ago...



We know lots and lots about evolution now. In fact, many groups are working on the evolution of specific molecules found in the body.......

What is interesting about your comment of "ever changing evolution" is that we are finding that the evolution of many things doesnt actually happen the same way. When you read about it, it is actually very interesting.
12/28/2007 8:25:05 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Not to disrespect but I can see the attitude of Faux News in your post.  Various people at work are supporting him.  They are all fringe, right?


Most Paul supporters I have met have been so because they were ill informed.

For example, most parrot the line of "he is for a strong defense" because they do not know the truth, that he wants an 80% cut in defense,

The vast majority of Paul supporters, once shown his own words on defense and how idiotic they are, reject his views.

Have you told the folks at work about his "cut 80% of defense" stance, or are you parroting the lie of his being for a "strong defense"?


I would imagine that it is the latter.

The two or three people that I know that support him are "fringe" people IMHO.
One of them supported Perot IIRC.

I do not personally know a conservative that supports him.

BigDozer66
12/28/2007 8:25:34 AM EDT
[#37]
I love how the atheist evolutionists get pissed when creationists try to "push" their religion on them by praying in public.  Yet, you have them turn right back around and push theirs by going out of their way to pick a fight.

At the core FAITH is what each side has that their religion is the right one.  The evolutionists are the some of the least tolerant folks out there.

If you don't wanna vote for someone because you just found out he is a creationist, then fine.  Islamofacists will appreciate a candy ass in the white house.  
12/28/2007 8:26:50 AM EDT
[#38]

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I love how the atheist evolutionists get pissed when creationists try to "push" their religion on them by praying in public.  


The vast majority of Christians accept evolution as reality.
12/28/2007 8:27:10 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Not to disrespect but I can see the attitude of Faux News in your post.  Various people at work are supporting him.  They are all fringe, right?


Most Paul supporters I have met have been so because they were ill informed.

For example, most parrot the line of "he is for a strong defense" because they do not know the truth, that he wants an 80% cut in defense,

The vast majority of Paul supporters, once shown his own words on defense and how idiotic they are, reject his views.

Have you told the folks at work about his "cut 80% of defense" stance, or are you parroting the lie of his being for a "strong defense"?

He is very strong on defense.  Defense here.  Not defense over there.  Why do we need base in Korea and Japan?  Why do we need base in Germany?  We are spending more money that we do not have by borrowing from China and printing money out of thin air.  We do need to cut all that foreign bases out.  
12/28/2007 8:28:00 AM EDT
[#40]
What does evolution have to do with running this country?
12/28/2007 8:28:03 AM EDT
[#41]

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Pro-choice evolutionist… a powerful demographic group if there ever was one.


Considering that liberals tend to have less children than conservatives, it's obvious that those who proclaim their belief in Darwinism tend to ignore it's central lesson:  Those individuals who successfully reproduce determine the fate of the species.

Those who don't become extinct.
12/28/2007 8:28:18 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:
It is clear that Ron Paul, God's Only Chosen Man Who Can Save America, knows more about this than other people, because he is a DAWKTER.

DAWKTER Ron Paul knows that human sprang forth from the space comet Hale Bopp approximately four hundred thousand years ago, and that upon becoming president, the prophesy will be fulfilled and he can return home with his 666,666 followers to his palace in the comet.


Don't have an MD I take it.
12/28/2007 8:28:20 AM EDT
[#43]

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I love how the atheist evolutionists get pissed when creationists try to "push" their religion on them by praying in public.  


The vast majority of Christians accept evolution as reality.



Wouldn't that depend a great deal on who gets to define 'Christian'?


12/28/2007 8:28:30 AM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:

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I love how the atheist evolutionists get pissed when creationists try to "push" their religion on them by praying in public.  


The vast majority of Christians accept evolution as reality.


Those two thoughts seem to conflict.
12/28/2007 8:28:36 AM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
I love how the atheist evolutionists get pissed when creationists try to "push" their religion on them by praying in public.  Yet, you have them turn right back around and push theirs by going out of their way to pick a fight.

At the core FAITH is what each side has that their religion is the right one.  The evolutionists are the some of the least tolerant folks out there.

If you don't wanna vote for someone because you just found out he is a creationist, then fine.  Islamofacists will appreciate a candy ass in the white house.  



If you think that evolution is a "religion", then you terribly misunderstand what evolution is, and more imprtantly what scientific facts back it up. Also, if you think that everyone who understands evolution is an atheist, then you REALLY misunderstand evolution.
12/28/2007 8:30:18 AM EDT
[#46]

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I love how the atheist evolutionists get pissed when creationists try to "push" their religion on them by praying in public.  


The vast majority of Christians accept evolution as reality.


I think it's more like 60%
12/28/2007 8:32:30 AM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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I love how the atheist evolutionists get pissed when creationists try to "push" their religion on them by praying in public.  


The vast majority of Christians accept evolution as reality.


Those two thoughts seem to conflict.



How so?

12/28/2007 8:32:36 AM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:

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Nothing idiotic about faith - it takes a huge amount of faith to keep believing in an ever-changing idea of "evolution" especially when 99% of what scientists have said is true turns out to be not quite true decades later.

When I was in school, gradualism was THE accepted explanation for evolution, and it was taken on faith that the scientists understood evolution.

Today, gradualism is accepted by hardly anyone anymore. Apparently most scientists lost faith in that explanation and have mostly all accepted punctuated equillibrium now... for the time being.





I dont mean having faith is idiotic, I mean rejecting scientific facts based on your faith is idiotic.


Scientific fact?  I'd be a little more careful about what I consider fact.  Just because it came out of the mouth of a scientist doesn't make it fact.  You can come up with enough supporting evidence to support just about any harebrained idea out there.  

BTW, is global warming fact?
12/28/2007 8:32:52 AM EDT
[#49]

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Give it a rest.  Most of Ron Paul's supporters are evolunists and pro-choice.  They are supporting him because he stands for liberty.  


Most of Ron Paul's supporters support him because they don't seem to understand one of two things:

1. What he actually stands for
2. How U.S. government actually works.




Either way, it doesn't matter since he has ZERO chance of winning the Republican nomination.  He continues to be an entertaining sideshow that provides amusement while the real contenders vie for the Republican nomination.

Dk,

Acutally, here at work, we have been discussing this primaries whole bunch.  Both liberal and conservative coworkers are supporting Ron Paul.  This was after they have done their research.  Before that, they all said Ron Paul was crazy.


No offense, but I question the "research" your coworkers have done.  The closer peopel look at Ron Paul, the more insane he is.  

Just yesterday, he was asked repeatedly on several newschannels how he would handle the developing Pakistan situation, and he has NO ANSWER.  People like Wolf Blitzer on CNN, and someone else on MSNBC just asked him what he would do if he were president right now - and he had NO ANSWER.  He would start babbling about completely unrelated stuff, and talking about how we should just "trade with people and make friends" - and refused to answer what he woudl do about a situation like a Pakistan (a huge muslim nation with nuclear weapons).  When asked about the danger or Pakistan's nuclear weapons falling into the wrong hands, he just started mumbling nonsensical stuff about the possibility of other nuclear weapons from former Soviet republics falling into the wrong hands, and babbled about the CIA working in the past to overthrow governments in the middle east , and refused to answer the actual question about what to do about Pakistan's nuclear weapons, and how to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.

He literally had no answer to any of the questions as to what he woudl actually DO as President in a potential crisis like this.  It is the simplest thing for a Presidential candidate to answer a question about "what would you do if you were president right now?" - and he was compeltely unable to come up with anything.

He seems to persist in his compeltely delusional belief that if we just pull out of the rest of the world (and just "trade and make friends") then everyone in the world will love us, and nobody will want to harm us.  

My wife saw the interviews, and her response was "He is completely insane"

He has ZERO chance of getting the Republican nomination.  

If you think he has a chance, there are many people on this site - myself included - that would be happy to offer you a bet.  Would you like to bet $100 or $1000?


Not a Paul supporter, but expecting an instant answer on an incredibly complex situation is a bit of a reach. Bear in mind that an actual head of state has daily briefings from perhaps the largest intelligence gathering complex known to mankind, while an outsider candidate has little more than the news (and we all know how accurate they are) from which to formulate a plan.

Perhaps the question should be put to someone in a similar situation, you perhaps. What would you do about the developing Pakistan situation. No time to think it out, you're on national TV, starting in 1, 2, 3... GO


edit: sp
12/28/2007 8:33:33 AM EDT
[#50]

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I don't care if Ron Paul believes he sprang forth from Zues' forehead.  What I care about is his view on the Constitution and liberty.  

Ron Paul has no chance and only a fool would believe otherwise, but my hope is Ron Paul's message about the Constitution and how we desperately need to go back to it will grown and maybe get people talking.  Who knows, by 2012 we might have a good candidate that can run on those values and a grassroots campaign and get into office, either locally, at the state level , in Congress, or as President.

The "powers that be" is this country haven't labored ceaselessly  to circumvent the Constitution, just to let some loony "Libertarian" undo all their hard work.
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