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9/12/2007 6:18:12 PM EDT
The movie Lord of War got me thinking.  I am not talking about illegal ghetto gun deals I am talking about the massive amount of weapons that get shipped to Africa.  Where do these guns come from and how do they transport them?  Also are they legally sold or is it highly illegal?
9/12/2007 6:19:33 PM EDT
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6kub-Ehbd4
9/12/2007 6:20:00 PM EDT
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The movie Lord of War got me thinking.  I am not talking about illegal ghetto gun deals I am talking about the massive amount of weapons that get shipped to Africa.  Where do these guns come from and how do they transport them?  Also are they legally sold or is it highly illegal?


Actually, I think the movie itself did a fairly good job of explaining your question, as it was theatrical but based on an actual dude.  Listened to a good NPR program on him a few weeks ago.  Still out and about, he is.

9/12/2007 6:20:05 PM EDT
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The movie Lord of War got me thinking.


I'm going to go ahead and disagree with that.

9/12/2007 6:20:39 PM EDT
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For the most part, they come from old Soviet Republics and the middle-east.

Last I checked, the United States were not mass-producing AK-47s.
9/12/2007 6:23:24 PM EDT
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OMG, I watched that movie last night with the girlfriend  I think the movie pretty much explained your questions though
9/12/2007 6:24:38 PM EDT
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Last I checked, the United States were not mass-producing AK-47s.


No, but we have bought a few for other countries, knowingly and unknowingly.
9/12/2007 6:25:47 PM EDT
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Let me be the first to say that Lord Of war sucked ass and Nick Cage is a fucking douchebag.
9/12/2007 6:27:01 PM EDT
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Last I checked, the United States were not mass-producing AK-47s.


No, but we have bought a few for other countries, knowingly and unknowingly.


The price on those manky old AKs is so low, I don't see why we'd need to.
9/12/2007 6:34:02 PM EDT
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6kub-Ehbd4


Thats for the link, that's really interesting.
9/12/2007 6:36:45 PM EDT
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Where do I sign up?
9/12/2007 6:59:26 PM EDT
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Let me be the first to say that Lord Of war sucked ass and Nick Cage is a fucking douchebag.


Shame on you.  It was a great movie!  The only douchebag in the movie was his brother and he gets whacked!
9/12/2007 7:33:03 PM EDT
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I liked that movie ..

9/13/2007 3:19:25 AM EDT
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OMG, I watched that movie last night with the girlfriend  I think the movie pretty much explained your questions though
It is a movie through.  I was wondering how accurate the movie was.
9/13/2007 3:28:31 AM EDT
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What's to know?

Some people got guns. Other people want guns. Some folks connect the dots.

Buy low. Sell High.

Don't get caught.

9/13/2007 3:39:45 AM EDT
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As long as there is a demand....There's a market for it.  Money talks.
9/13/2007 3:42:00 AM EDT
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Generally speaking, smuggling in general:

It's not one group, but a whole bunch of groups that come together for a particular need. There's the brokers, the gatherers (or recruiters if it is people), the forgers, the logistics, the transportation, and so forth. They come together for the job and then when the job is over, they go their ways. The person who may be the broker for a gun running job this week may be the broker for slave labor next week.

May not always be the case, but essentially, it is probably an error to think of it as one group doing only one kind of smuggling.
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9/13/2007 3:49:14 AM EDT
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Let me be the first to say that Lord Of war sucked ass and Nick Cage is a fucking douchebag.
I thought the movie was excellent entertainment and Nick Cage is greatness.
9/13/2007 3:49:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: As long as there is a demand....There's a market for it.  Money talks.


How very true. At my level of training and education, when I analyze a crime problem, I am expected to provide a way to stop it. Usually that involves analyzing the market, who are the buyers, their motivations, and providing ways to get rid of the market.

Incidently, that's one of the reasons why I can't take the "basic, obvious" reason as an answer, such as accepting the need to get off is why people frequent highly illegal bordellos (for example). Ie, they may want to get off but they want 12 year old girls because they believe either they can't get STDs that way or it will cure them of an STDs.

Look at the market and find out what propels it.
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9/13/2007 4:07:28 AM EDT
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Let me be the first to say that Lord Of war sucked ass and Nick Cage is a fucking douchebag.
I thought the movie was excellent entertainment and Nick Cage is greatness.


the guy who produced that movie specifically stated in several interviews before the release of the movie that he was making it to show the world the results of the american gun culture.

it was made as a rip on the US, and on gun owners.


9/13/2007 12:23:19 PM EDT
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Let me be the first to say that Lord Of war sucked ass and Nick Cage is a fucking douchebag.
I thought the movie was excellent entertainment and Nick Cage is greatness.


the guy who produced that movie specifically stated in several interviews before the release of the movie that he was making it to show the world the results of the american gun culture.

it was made as a rip on the US, and on gun owners.




While that may be true, he failed miserably in that goal.  The entire basis for the flick was the fall of the Soviet Union being the source for the world's illegal gun runners.  How that whole operation can point a finger at American gun owners is one hell of a stretch.  Besides, if given the choice, we wouldn't have sent those weapons to Africa, we'd have imported them and bought them ourselves!  
9/13/2007 12:25:12 PM EDT
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As long as there is a demand....There's a market for it.  Money talks.


Yep, a certain AC/DC song came to mind when I opened this thread.
9/13/2007 12:26:05 PM EDT
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The movie Lord of War got me thinking.  I am not talking about illegal ghetto gun deals I am talking about the massive amount of weapons that get shipped to Africa.  Where do these guns come from and how do they transport them?  Also are they legally sold or is it highly illegal?


Russia. Sometimes China. But mostly Russia.
9/13/2007 12:30:05 PM EDT
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6kub-Ehbd4


they could put it all in the EE, and sell it in a few days
9/13/2007 3:53:54 PM EDT
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Does anyone actually think that large numbers of guns and ammo (we are talking thousands of full auto rifles and millions of rounds) can be moved through ports without the involvement of at least one government?  And I don't mean bribing the Customs guys.
9/13/2007 5:13:38 PM EDT
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Does anyone actually think that large numbers of guns and ammo (we are talking thousands of full auto rifles and millions of rounds) can be moved through ports without the involvement of at least one government?  And I don't mean bribing the Customs guys.


Which was basically the message of the movie.  The U.S. gov't is waist deep in arms smuggling.