[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Worst President Ever (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 9/9/2007 7:48:44 PM EDT
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Was talking with a libbie the other day and they said GWB was the worst President ever and then went on to explain why. Who do you think it the worst President we ever had and please explain why. Not just toss up a name. |
As time has gone on, Carter's stock has in fact fallen to be close to where it should be. Like Bush, he had a good thing going and inexplicably screwed it up. A member here was an advirsor to Carter and has had some interesting comments. He did a lot of things that seemed to make no sense with the rest of his policies -- like heavy opposition to the CIA and tons of support for MI, strongly against covert action but a stong supporter of military special ops, gave away the Panama Canal but worked hard to block the Russians in many areas. He was a real cypher. |
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Bush Jr. Even if he isn't technically the worst president, he has done many things to turn a world of sympathy into a world of hate. We only went into Iraq for oil. That is dumb nation building. We are still in Iraq because Bush is too bullheaded to say he made a mistake. No matter if we pull out now, or pull out later, Iraq is still going to be a hotbed for a while. We pulled out of Vietnam and now we do business with them. We are making the same mistake in Iraq we did in Vietnam......trying to make the Military do police work...and not actually fight the enemy. We need to say...we made a mistake, and we are sorry. Bush Jr. has done more to deamonize our country than any other president in the history of the nation, not to mention helping the Patriot Act get through...and trample on every American's rights and shredding the Constitution in the process. Yeah.....I'm not a libtard. Bush jr is a poor spoken, bumbling, bullheaded, moron, in my opinion. Nothing you can say will change that. We need to get him out of office ASAP, and get someone in there to restore all of our rights, not just the 2nd. |
Interesting choice, never heard FDR mentioned in this light. Out of curiousity, how would you have handled the recovery of the american economy following the great depression differently? ETA: My vote would be for Jimmy Carter |
Harding, Buchanan, Harrison (sometimes), Wilson, and probably Bush. Carter would be somewhere in the bottom half, with Ford and GHW Bush. Johnson and FDR did bad things, but were competent presidents, ditto Clinton. It is hard to know where to put Nixon. Unlike Bush, he had actual wins. When you look at the presidents, the ones at the bottom of the pile have to be wrong, stupid, and incompetent. Two out of three just gets you into the bottom half. You need all three to be at the very bottom. |
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I'm not qualified to truly decide because a lot of presidential decisions are made without the benefit of me knowing what is truly going on but I'd have to say it would be either FDR - for starting the socialist movement. From where my 36 year old eyes sit, we started a downward spiral about then Jimmy Carter - Just a general doofus. not any worse than say harding but still a dork. I'm pissed he gave away the panama canal. One of the most strategic pieces of land in the world. Dipshit. George W. Bush - Pissing away 8 years of presidency and not restoring any of our freedoms. with a republican white house and congress, failure to clear much if any of the underbrush of the previous democratic presidency. A complete failure to use his position to protect our borders. Probably not the worst president but pretty damn lame for his lack of effectiveness given the circumstances. Carter-like in his inability to act decisively. |
Regarding your remarks about our President, what would you have done differently? ETA: War sucks any way you look at it. Was/Is there a better path than the one we are currently following? |
We went to war with Saddam Hussein's Iraq because he violated 12 years of UN sanctions. Your first premise fails because oil production has NOT increased NOR has Iraq oil been nationalized by ANYONE other than IRAQ. Vietnam was a proxy battle of the Cold War. And Jimmy Carter let a host of countries fall to communism because he was too chicken shit to think communism could be countered. Enter Grenada for good example. Now for the rest of your blathering, I suggest you learn a little history. You may not be a libtard but you use their argument style. |
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It's a toss up between Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt. Lincoln tore the country apart and created the precedent of ignoring the constitution when it suited his fancy. FDR was a damned communist in disguise and took Lincoln's example and used the constitution as toilet paper in so many ways it's hard to count them all. Welfare and the NFA are only two of them. Piss on the memory of both of them. They ruined this nation. |
| id be hard pressed to call fdr the worst. he got us out of a depretion and through a war that killed millions. he did a lot for this country, some of his poicies still in place are outdated now. almost none of us here can really know what it was like when he came up with the policies he did. |
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Carter - He was not only incompetent, but he also had no backbone. FDR - He was a commie, and he served TOO long. Hoover - He did nothing to stop the depression, and when it hit hardest, he wouldn't overturn prohibition either. GWB - Did fine up to the invasion of Iraq...after that everything went downhill. Now that he's a lameduck, he's really starting to suck even more - especially with illegal immigration, him being NOT fiscally conservative, etc. The rest...you may not like them, but they were competent as presidents for the most part. They had some slip ups, but they made it out okay. 
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Woodrow Wilson FTW. Not just the Fed, also the income tax, the direct election of senators, our entry into WWI that paved the way for a century of warfare such as the world had never before seen, most of it unnecessary, the league of nations, "making the world safe for Democracy" and so on and on. The current president has said he identifies most with Wilson, which isn't surprising since they have so much in common. Funny so few recognize just how horrible Wilson was on a conservative board like this, 30 years ago that wouldn't have been the case. FDR is right up there, but he didn't begin anything, the new deal was simply a response to the result of Wilsons policies. All he had to do instead was reject them, it wouldn't have been all that difficult at the time. Nobody recent even comes close, but honestly I think Bush is the worst of the recent crop. Clinton and Carter were Democrats, they can be expected to suck. |
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FDR, hands down. When the Supreme Court strikes down large parts of your "New Deal" as old tired ass bullshit that is "communistic" (yes they said that) then you are truly a fukwad. When you repack the court, and resubmit your New Deal largely unchanged and the newly minted court upholds it as a great american idea to keep america great, then you're a truly hopeless fuckwad. |
I hope he was being sarcastic, George Washington is pretty much in a class by himself. During the founding of the Country, he was offered to become a King, he turned it down. He refused to serve more than two terms because serving more than that would be like being King. That speaks volumes of that man's character, you can look at the list of US President's after and be hard pressed to find many with that kind of character. |
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Bill Clinton was the worst. He was a traitor in the White House. He flat-out sold our spaceccraft technologies. He allowed China to obtain our ICBM guidance technology. He allowed China to steal our nuclear weapons secrets. Ever notice that during and after the Clinton presidency that the Chinese made major leaps in spacecraft and launch vehicle technology? He lobbed a few cruise missiles at trainignn camps instead of killing Osama bin Laden. I have to admit it, Jimmy Carter is a close second. It's just that Jimmy wasn't so overtly traitorous. Then again, he gave the nation of Iran as we know it today. |
Right out of a Bush jr. press release. I think Jr. just wanted to finish what Daddy started and the UN violations was the easiest excuse to do so. I think Bush Jr. will undoubtly go down as a terrible President. Just look at when he was first running for President how many people here at AR15 were happy. All the wonderful things a Republican President will be able to achieve: Suppresion of rights, a questionable war on terrorism, and kissing ass to Mexico every chance he gets. |
At first I laughed when I read this, then it truly sadened me in its truth (intentional or not). Our current array of "hopefuls" are the saddest pack of POS's I have seen in a long time. I am reserving my opinions of Fred b/c he has just entered the fray technically, although I hope that he becomes the "one we have been waiting for", I will wait and see. But the rest of them, on both sides, is just pathetic. Every answer to every question is such a rehearsed/researched response that has been prewritten based upon some poll somewhere (aside from paul). But for once, I want to see some candidate look a reporter in the eye and say, "What the Fuck kind of question is that?!" |
I love how the same people who desire small, unintrusive government that keeps the U.S. safe with the minimal cost to liberty are also the same people who think we should be balls deep in the rest of the world's issues. Why the fuck should the U.S. care if half the world wants to live under a Communist system? I think the people of that nation are competent enough to make the decisions on how their government should run, or at least bound to suffer under that regime. |
Just out of a DU press release.... Seriously, do you really believe that??? President Bush went into Iraq b/c his "daddy" told him to do it? Do you do everything your daddy tells you to do? I would say you are better off w/ the oil argument than this. I will say, Pres. Bush's immigration policy is what is throwing all of us off. However, it appears to me that our resounding no of the reform bill has been a catylist to the current enforcement opperation's going on lately. |