[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Fudd vs. Tacticool (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/22/2007 5:35:20 AM EDT
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Fudd vs. Tacticool So, there are two groups (10 men each) against each other in a wooded area with typical foothills contour. One group, the Tacticool group is armed with AR-15s, 6-10 30 round mags, some with holo-sights and 4x trijicon. Each carries 300 rounds of XM193 or M855 ammo. Prior to this, all Tacticool guys have had rifle/carbine training and a great deal of trigger time at the range. Mostly 50-100 yard targets. The other group Fudd is armed with an assortment of Remington, Winchester and other bolt guns. All are scoped with a minimum of 3x9. Some have much better. Calipers range from .270, 7mm, 30-06, Remington Ultra Mag and and a .300 Win mag. Each has 1-2 20rnd boxes of premium hunting ammo. Prior training for this group was 50-100 rounds at the range in late summer each year, and 20-40 hours in the tree stand. Both groups are similar in age and fitness, are aware of the coming trouble and fleeing is not an option. Who do you bet on? |
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Tactifools hands down. Trained snipers can only be so effective against fast moving targets that are returning fire. These guys are not trained snipers. The more time in the woods arguement is a crock of shit. I spend more time in the woods than any "fudd" I know. Most know nothing of fieldcraft or camo. Not to mention the fact that the only real advantage they have is bigger bullets. I can make easy minute of man shots with a quality AR with an ACOG at 300. |
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Fudd's win. They know the terrain, hiding places, location of food and fresh water, more experience judging distance in said terrain, higher power rifles which are more effective at longer distances, the Fudd's will adopt a sniper/guerilla warfare mentality whereas the tactically trained group will probably travel in groups and adopt a overwhelm with numbers tactic. Fudd's 20 Tacticals 10 |
Your adding things to the equation that are not initially there. No one said the Fudds know the terrian any better or worse then the tacticool guys. Where does it mention distance? You are completely discounting the suppressive power ability of the AR-15 vs bolt action weapons not to mention the disparity in ammunition quantities. |
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Fudds are generally sorry sacks of shit. |
Your INSANE....haven't you watched any Steven Segal movies...the ninjas always get there asses kicked (regardless of numbers) Long range experience+patience+willingness to kill=Fudds all the way |
While I agree with you please don't add info to the scenario. As usual with these AR15 hypothetical situations they are so vaguely written that people want to insert information to flesh them out to make sense. The fact that the hunters have 20 rounds and no formal training vs 300 rounds and formal training does it for me. |
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Didn't we have this thread, what - 2 times this year already? It's a loaded scenario - you give me any ten "tacticools" and any ten hunters, I;ll take the hunters anyday, In your scenario, though, the hunters have little to no training and skills, and the tacticools do. In the real world, you average hunter has spent more time in the woods than the tacticool has playing video games (and that's a lot). Still, weapons training - even good weapons training - is maybe 5% of a fight. The tacticools would quickly get lost and end up shooting each other. Then one would declare himself Colonel of the tacticool militia, another would claim the same, and you;d have chaos. |
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I don't consider guys that have legitimate training "tacticool" this would be better... Keyboard Commando with his tapco-fucked vulcan AR complete with clone optics, airsoft accessories, and cool stickers versus Fudd at the gunshop who used to be a USMC army ranger recon navy seal fighter pilot 007 with one of those GI can openers WHO WOULD WIN! TWO MEN ENTER ONE MAN LEAVE |
Doesn't matter. If you're experienced in mountain terrain then chances are you'll adapt almost immediately to any mountain terrain. If someone knows how to locate food and water in a desert then put that person in just about any desert they'll survive. Someone not up on their survival skills will parrish before the fight begins. The Fudd's having been trained in the environment they're going to be fighting in have the skills to deal with the environment. So that's why I chose them to be the survivors. |
They are hunters , the tactical guys aren't. Maybe you spend a lot of time in the woods but most tacticool guys don't. Some have never had to navigate anywhere unless there was a street sign to read. Most will get lost , others will not be able to hold still because of the bugs bitting them or have any idea what to do about it. Some will freak out because they find a tick on them or a spider. If these guys are life long hunters of big game they will win. |
Um what is the other 95% Chance? innate marksmanship skills? I am sorry but training is everything. There is a reason we spend billions of defense dollars on training for all echelons of the military and it sure is hell isn't because it is 5% of the fight. My training in individual marksmanship and fire and maneuver at the team, squad and platoon level kept me alive in Iraq. |
In Arfcom terms my father may be considered a Fudd. However, he's far from being overweight. A Veteran, 6 feet, slim and would would probably still kick both our asses. On top of that, when he goes to the range, he may only shoot 1 box of ammo, but the bullet holes on his targets are basically having sex their so damn close. Now, I certainly would not want to be on the other side of his rifle in the woods, no matter what tacticool shit I had. That being said, the OP already said that the fitness was similar in both groups, so we either have Fit Fudds, or Fat Ass Airsoft boys with AR's. Take your pick, but don't underestimate a Fudd, you may end up on your back with a mouth full of RealTree steel toe, and an ass full of .30-06 |
Damn I forgot about that. Why is it that Ninjas in movies come in the dozens and all they have is an overhand right before getting their asses kicked. The Quality of Ninjaness has certainly gone down since the 80's. Damn... |
come on guys y'all are taling about regular old cannon fodder ninjas I am talking about "ninjapirates" Unbeatable hybrid nuff said |
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You're absolutely right. See Fudd's practice on paper and then take live targets ranging from Deer to Bear. Moving and still. I'd say that's pretty damn good training. PS. When the Fudds run out of ammo, it will be because they already won and are now taking a Buck in preparation for the night's celebratory BBQ. |
I'd be more described as a tacticool. Though for years I was a hardcore fudd. Long range experience is something of a misnomer. Most Fudds I know can't and or won't shoot beyond 100 yards. Your experiences may be different being in MT, For the most part there is no advantage. Patience is negligible, though I can see it going to the Fudds. At times though however you must be the aggressor. Willingness to kill isn't the advantage that you think it is. Fact is most Fudds have no problem putting a round at a deer or a squirrel but they are NOT humans. Whereas most of us gear whore tacticools have come to terms with killing a PERSON. Lets not forget to that many tacticools (and admittedly some Fudds) are vets, who have taken human life before. Many more tacticools are going to be cops, EMTS, or firemen, that have been around dead people before and I think that'd help a bit. |
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Also, I would consider a Fudd well trained in the given scenario, at least the ones from around here. They can track animals with far more acute senses than humans w/o being made, and many of them are capable of very long range shooting. Also, how applicable is the tactical training people receive at ranges in this scenario? Seems the Fudds would be choosing which one they want to drop first while the "trained" are none the wiser. |
Like anything, we must take into account the "base materials" that make up the Pirate/Ninja hybrid. Are we talking "Johnny Depp/Chris Farley" hybrid? Then your theory doesn't hold water. I see a future episode of MythBusters in the making! |
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And how many "eeekkk....a spider!!" threads are there at any given time on this forum? I'm sorry, but tacticool guys are whimps who would cry for their mommas after one night in the woods. |
base materials for the hybrid clones= pirate DNA from Edward Teach himself+Ninja DNA from Jiraiya. this ain't some game these fuckers are serious. 
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I like it!