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7/16/2007 7:13:47 AM EDT
Are there any problems with using a different barrel extension than what came factory?....I've heard both sides to this issue.  Some say that head space is critical on AR's and you need the orginal extension that came with the rifle.  I've also read that the headspace issue on AR's is overblown, and that any stock parts properly tightened down will headspace just fine (this article said not to even worry about go/no-go gauges).


What say you?

7/16/2007 7:15:27 AM EDT
[#1]
I think changing the barrel extension is well beyond the capabilities of most anyone, save a competent gunsmith.
7/16/2007 7:16:00 AM EDT
[#2]
Is there something wrong with the extension that came with your barrel? Or are you just wanting factory M4 feedramps or something? Just curious. I don't have the answer to your question, sorry. I figure they would be on the barrel pretty damn well and would be difficult to swap.
7/16/2007 7:16:25 AM EDT
[#3]
No way I'd swap extensions without checking headspace.

The results could be catastrophic if it doesn't work out right.
7/16/2007 7:19:30 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
I think changing the barrel extension is well beyond the capabilities of most anyone, save a competent gunsmith.

This is generally true.

As I understand it, the gas port in the barrel is drilled AFTER the barrel extension is installed. This ensures that the the gas port is at the top of the barrel when installed, not indexed off to the side somewhere.

The barrel extension is also critical to the headspace. I have never known an AR barrel to be sold without the extension - they are generally considered a unit and not to be separated.
7/16/2007 7:22:25 AM EDT
[#5]
Its pratically impossible to swap barrel extensions.
7/16/2007 7:28:24 AM EDT
[#6]
I believe the pin that holds the barrel extension in place is pressed into place and cannot be removed.
7/16/2007 7:31:24 AM EDT
[#7]
I asked Frank White of CLE the same question. I had picked up a douglas spr barrel for a song but the problem was that it had the rifle extensions. So I asked him is it possible to change the extensions..he said no. Too much time and work.  What could do was modify the rifle extension and cut the m4 ramps into it ...thus making it into a m4 feed ramped one. I went that route and it turned out great. The cost was like 20 dollars if i recall too.
7/16/2007 7:31:40 AM EDT
[#8]
If its a factory installed Barrel extension.. then your pretty much G2G.

But if the Extension is replaced then Head space really needs checked.
7/16/2007 7:33:44 AM EDT
[#9]
Other than for getting the oft-requested M4 ramps, why would you change the extension?
7/16/2007 8:32:34 AM EDT
[#10]
Does it have a drilled gas port?
7/16/2007 8:33:49 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Other than for getting the oft-requested M4 ramps, why would you change the extension?


Bought a barrel without it....seems like now it wasn't such a good idea.



get a dremel and make your own!

Look here
7/16/2007 8:45:38 AM EDT
[#12]
The problem is that the thread timing is not likely going to allow you to tighten up to 150 ft-lb, and have it line up with the gas port AND have the correct headspace.

So, say it is a few degrees off.  You would have to machine off material to allow it to rotate into position and align at 150 ft-lb.  But now the headspace is off.  Now the chamber needs to be reamed.  If it is a chrome lined chamber/bore, you are SOL.

The machinist's time to do all of this makes it impractical.  You would be better off buying a complete barrel assembly.

If you are a machinist, have access to lathe and other needed tooling, and plenty of time on your hands, fine.

I hope you didn't pay much for that barrel.

I've also read that the headspace issue on AR's is overblown, and that any stock parts properly tightened down will headspace just fine (this article said not to even worry about go/no-go gauges).

As far as your statement about headspace... that is true IF the barrel is a barrel assembly, with the extension already on it.
7/16/2007 8:47:10 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Other than for getting the oft-requested M4 ramps, why would you change the extension?


Bought a barrel without it....seems like now it wasn't such a good idea.



Why, does your upper receiver have M4 cuts, or something?
7/16/2007 10:48:08 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

I hope you didn't pay much for that barrel.

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Yeah, doesn't seem like a deal now. Bought it off the EE.
7/16/2007 12:31:21 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I hope you didn't pay much for that barrel.

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Yeah, doesn't seem like a deal now. Bought it off the EE.


Ah that sucks. I wonder why it was missing the extension in the first place? I've never even seen an AR15 barrel with the barrel extension removed.

Here's a post from the industry forums by AR15Barrels:


Quoted:
Is it a chrome lined barrel?

Have you read all the threads about this?

The process is quite involved, almost as much work as making a barrel from scratch.
The barrel will get shortened and re-chambered in order to get the old FSB and gas port to index correctly.
MAY also need a customized gas tube and special shortened handguards.
Basically, the whole front end of the rifle forward of the receiver will be non-standard afterwards.

It's a $120 job on a non-chrome lined barrel.
Not possible to even do it on a chrome lined barrel.

I suggest simply grinding feedramps into your existing barrel, or running a non-ramped receiver.
7/16/2007 12:34:53 PM EDT
[#16]
If the gas port isn't drilled yet you can install an extension, tap in your alignment pin and drill the gas port.
7/16/2007 2:39:58 PM EDT
[#17]
Gas ports are drilled, and it's chrome lined.  

Basically this barrel is junk then.

7/16/2007 2:41:53 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Other than for getting the oft-requested M4 ramps, why would you change the extension?



Lefties.
7/16/2007 2:46:27 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Gas ports are drilled, and it's chrome lined.  

Basically this barrel is junk then.





What's the configuration and how much did it cost ?
7/16/2007 2:52:23 PM EDT
[#20]
What if you did a low pro gas block, then you might be able to bend the gas tube a little to compensate if it was a little off center.  

Would that work?

7/16/2007 5:05:13 PM EDT
[#21]

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What if you did a low pro gas block, then you might be able to bend the gas tube a little to compensate if it was a little off center.  

Would that work?





Probably not.  Even slight misalignments of a gas tube can create a functioning basket case.

7/16/2007 5:07:46 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
What if you did a low pro gas block, then you might be able to bend the gas tube a little to compensate if it was a little off center.  

Would that work?

Depends on how the FSB is attached.  Taper pins?  No way.  But setscrews will get a few degrees before the gas port is misaligned with the FSB hole.

7/16/2007 10:00:55 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Gas ports are drilled, and it's chrome lined.  

Basically this barrel is junk then.




Basically... yes.
7/16/2007 10:39:07 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Gas ports are drilled, and it's chrome lined.  
Basically this barrel is junk then.

Basically... yes.

If you had say 10 (or 50) extensions lying around and plenty of time to try them out to find one that was close enough in thread timing to work, it wouldn't be junk.  As a practical matter though, a finished barrel without the extension is useless - with the possible exception of using it with a .22LR conversion kit or the like that doesn't use the locking lugs or the gas port.
7/17/2007 12:03:36 AM EDT
[#25]
what about using it for an AK47 conversion to 223?

You have a caliper? I don't ahve specs on AR15 barrels, but it's possible it could be used for an AK conversion.
7/17/2007 2:52:51 AM EDT
[#26]
Oh, I misunderstood. You bought a barrel without the extension? Yikes.

I think you're screwed, for all practical purposes.
7/17/2007 6:42:43 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
what about using it for an AK47 conversion to 223?

You have a caliper? I don't ahve specs on AR15 barrels, but it's possible it could be used for an AK conversion.


Nope.. the profiles are way different.. And not enough meat to cut the tendon.

Fat (been there tried that) McNasty
7/17/2007 9:05:04 AM EDT
[#28]
I'll bet the guy that sold you the barrel said, "Oh, no problem... all you have to do is buy an extension just and screw it on there.  You can pick those up almost anywhere."