Posted: 7/5/2007 7:56:33 AM EDT
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IMHO if Pakistan falls, it will be Instant Global Jihad, just add water... |
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The Bush Doctrine "The Bush Doctrine argues for a policy of pre-emptive war in cases where the US or its allies be threatened by terrorists or by rogue states that are engaged in the production of weapons of mass destruction. The policy of pre-emption represents a rejection of deterrence and containment as the principal foundations of U.S. foreign policy because, it is argued, terrorists cannot be deterred in the same way as states. 
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I'd be willing to bet that if Pakistan goes Islamo-Loco, then India and the US/allies will become even more close. I dont see Pakistan going by the way of Afganistan-Taliban due to the amount of western influence already there. My opinion of course. I think if need be, the Paki army will eventually step up and take on AQ/Taliban threat if they are truely operating in full force (200k strong?) on Paki soil. |
Only if we struck first and decisively. We couldn't afford any possibility of nuclear retaliation by Pakistan and their terrorists. HH |
Just how does the sub-continent of India factor in all this? We have to factor in China in too. |
Pakistan was formed in 1947 by chopping off part of India and force migrating all the muslims out of India to Pakistan. And just one year later, in 1948, the SAME thing happened with Palestine and Israel, except it was Jews and not Hindus. Ant they have been fighting over Kushmir for a while now. At least, I think thats what happened.  Edit: The Post-Colonialism that followed WWII was such great fun. 
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Thanks for weighing in, Andy...I and quite a few others have the same fears. HH |
Yeah. -fellow resident of Dar el Harb. 
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Banglidesh and Pakistan broke away from India proper because they didnt have "equal" (Muslim) representation in the Indian govt, IIRC. The migrating had begun before WWII was over thanks to the British railroads. There was no "forced" migration. It was typical of people going where there are more like themselves. Also, keep in mind there are still more Muslims in India than Hindu.  But, they are Indian Muslims and not Pakistani Muslim. Big difference. It is almost like Irish Catholic vs German Catholic, but not as violent. Is Pakistan goes Islamo-Loco, seriously... I see Indo-Western relations improving that much more. Everyone knows India would stomp on Pakistan if they went to all out war, yes? I'll have to look up the stats, but IIRC, India is far better equiped (albeit Warpact armor), their officers and ranks much better trained (British/NATO tactics), and their forces are over triple the size of Pakistan's. Oh, and I havnt even mentioned the population base or the support India would have from the international community (if, of course, India acted in self defense, etc). |
"may fall" that's the kind of weasley BS that drives me nuts. The sun 'may not' come up in the morning but I don't have any proof. If this sentence is any more than conjecture provide some back-up. T |
Look at it another way: The sun may come up tomorrow. Just FYI there are members of this site that know a lot more about this stuff than you or I do. When one of our SMEs says an article has veracity -- you bet your bottom dollar it has veracity. |
That is my worry. When it does fall, will we be able to come in quickly enough to prevent the weapons from being exported or hidden in country? If we don't act quickly enough and contain/destroy the weaponry, then a first strike nuclear attack by us really doesn't do us much good at all. I definitely agree that this could be our worst nightmare. Like macman said, just add water.
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Pakistan has been a major worry for years now, earlier this year Musharref had to make concessions to the islamics to retain power and quell the unrest, that's only going to encourage them. And who's the only candidate who's brought up Pakistan this election? Ron Paul. If it's true that Al-queida is stronger today than they were on 9/11 then the current administration has failed us miserably. |
That's a good question, Brian. I have no idea how quickly we could/would respond if he fell. There'd be very little time I'd think. HH |
NOT speaking of our members but just the terrible presentation of an important subject. |
I agree. It would be too impolitic of the US to do it. We couldn't nuke them either. India is the perfect proxy. |
you ask for proof that radical islamists may benefit from a vote without Musharraf's influence? the question is a non sequitur. Without Musharraf's presence, much would be different in Pakistan. Do you even question that? |
you ask for proof that radical islamists may benefit from a vote without Musharraf's influence? the question is a non sequitur. Without Musharraf's presence, much would be different in Pakistan. Do you even question that?[/quote] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + 10, when you remove the "strongman" from the equation these countries can flip into chaos and/or islamic radicalism in days. At the hight of the Shah's power, who would have believed what was lying just under the surface in Iran? Not my old boss Jimmy; he told his good personal FRIEND the Shah "I think you should step down" because he believed he could deal with those waiting in the wings to take over the reins there. I believe Pakistan will work out similarly after Pervez leaves the scene. |
I may be wrong, but didn't we (the west) have a lot of influence and presence in Libya and Lebanon right up until they fell apart, or am I comparing apples and oranges? <==== not a mideast expert
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That's somewhat humorous, but do you doubt the veracity of WHAT he's saying, rather than copy editing HOW he is saying it? I don't care if he types in rap rhymes so long as he passes quality info to us. |
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Change could happen a lot quicker than you think.... Looks like he dodged a bullet once again. Here's a short list of assassination attempts on Musharraf. July 6, 2007 Some Assassination Attempts on Musharraf By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 2:25 p.m. ET A glance at apparent and confirmed assassination attempts on Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf: -- April 26, 2002: Explosives in small pickup truck parked near Karachi airport fail to detonate when Musharraf's motorcade passes. Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen al-Almi, Islamic militant group, blamed for attempt and later use of vehicle to kill 12 Pakistanis in explosion outside U.S. Consulate in Karachi. -- Dec. 14, 2003: Powerful bomb underneath bridge in Rawalpindi explodes moments after Musharraf's limousine drives over. Section of concrete bridge destroyed, but no one hurt. -- Dec. 25, 2003: Three bombs hidden in pickup trucks explode as Musharraf's motorcade passes on main road in Rawalpindi, killing 16 people, including three suicide bombers. Police arrest dozens for this attack and Dec. 14 blast. Alleged mastermind, al-Qaida No. 3 operative Abu Farraj al-Libbi, turned over to U.S. -- July 7, 2007: Shots are fired as Musharraf's plane takes off from military base near Islamabad. Police raid nearby home and find two anti-aircraft guns and machine gun on roof. |
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pakistan falling and into the hands of islamic fundamentalist gov is the beginning of the REAL WORLD WAR THREE... we've blown our wad in iraq. there isn't enough political will to take appropriate action before its too late. bad things will be allowed to start and grow.. india and china both being nuclear powers and having their own agendas, not to mention the russkies who aren't that far away only throws more napalm on the fire... pray that pakistan holds or if mushariff's gov falls, it falls to a secular gov.. otherwise we will be in for most killin in the history of the world.. (for humans anyways).... |
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Followup from the Counterterrorism Blog: Storms in Pakistan
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