Posted: 6/24/2007 7:44:05 PM EDT
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It is time we wake up and realize the tide of illegal is flooding this nation. We must stand together, to help deport as many as we can, to send a message to Washington, and to wake up our conscience to rid our country of these law breaking filth. Any business you see employing questionable illegals- report them. Any neighbors you see that may be a questionable illegals- report them. If you hear someone speaking a language other than English- report them. If your children know of children in their schools who are illegals - report them. Bottom line, if you are not sure- REPORT THEM. Keep numbers for the INS, ICE, and Border Patrol if living nearby on your cell phone. Do not be afraid to report these people because if they are in fact legal immigrants or American citizens then they will have no problems giving proper identification. Report as many questionable people as you can, every day, every where you. Report them all, until they are driven from our nation, driven from our shores, driven back to where they once came. They broke our laws, they do not respect our nation, and they will destroy this nation until we can make our stand now. REPORT THEM!!!! C77 
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What, just send the Polizei over to them to ask "Give us your papers!" There's a difference between trying to stop illegal immigration and being a public nuisance and an asshole. I don't think you know where that line is. |
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If we don't stop these people, make it uncomfortable for them, make it hard on employers to hire them, to turn a spotlight on these roaches to make them flee then we will be awashed in them within a few years. These people have no loyalty to the United States, they come here, work without paying taxes, benefit from our social programs, and send money back to their countries while taking jobs away from American Citizens. Report anyone who is questionable- the ones who are legal will be more than happy to comply, the ones that are citizens would be proud to help their nation but the ones that broke our laws, came here as illegals will be running for the border. It is your DUTY as a US citizen to report illegals, to keep our nation secure. C77 |
It is not clear that the Constitution allows the government to DEMAND idenitification from someone walking down the street, or living in your neighborhood, simply on the basis on not speaking English. I have known U.S. citizens who do not speak English, so I don't think the lack of speaking English would meet the Constitutional prohibition against unreasonable search.  I agree 100% that if you want to report someone, report EMPLOYERS that you know are hiring illegals. |
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I assume you don't live in Texas. I don't think many of you out-of-staters realize the level of intrusion we are facing down here. There are far to many illegals here to report them all. I stopped reporting them when I discovered that it did nothing. BTW: Just becuase you hear a person speaking a foriegn language doesn't mean they are illegal, and it doesn't mean they aren't as America as you or I. |
There is absolutely nothing wrong with reporting someone you believe is a questionable illegal. If someone is a citizen then they should know how to speak English. If someone is a resident alien then they would have no problem in helping their host nation find those who should not be here. Our INS, ICE, and LEO agencies cannot do this all by themselves, they need good citizens to help them find the illegals and contain the problems. Simply making a report will allow the authorities to conduct a search and perhaps net out a few who are illegal. C77 |
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While I agree with you on most points, a local government here recently built a day-laborer facility for these folks to gather at to wait for local contractors to come and scoop them up. We give them drivers licenses, privileges in our courts, education paid for by taxes they don't pay, etc. What fucking good is it to call the .gov on these people when it's the .gov is responsible for providing them with all the niceties (niceties that SHOULD be reserved for citizens) that entice them to come here in the first place. IMO, picking up the phone every time I see a Hispanic man or woman I suspect could be illegal will a) have me on the phone all freakin' day, b) accomplish nothing more than earn me a name as a trouble-maker with whomever I call....This "discomfort" needs to start elsewhere. |
The fact that people SHOULD speak English in your opinion (and in mine) does not make it a reasonable legal standard by which the government can demand a person produce documentation. The U.S. simply doesn't work like that - the police can not jsut walk up to me, or come to my house and demand identification or proof of something, just because I speak a certain way or look a certain way. I'm just saying that I don't believe it would stand up to a Constitutional challenge.
Making a report will not "allow" authorities to do anything. Like I said, someone not speaking english, or a neighbor being suspicios, does not rise to the Constitutional standard that would legally allow a search. You are assuming that ICE/INS or local LE have any interest in "catching" illegals and deporting them. The federal agencies are not going to give a shit if you call them and tell them you suspect a neighbor might be illegal, and even if local LE believed you, they don't know what to do with it, and will therefore do nothing. I'm not trying to knock your intent - I fucking hate illegals, and want them all fired out of a giant Jules-Verneesque cannon to the moon - I'm just saying it won't accomplish anything, unfortunately. |
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I'm sorry but reasonable search is still the law if you think a crime has been committed. Entering the United States as an illegal is a crime- hence asking for identification after getting a tip from a caller about a potential illegal is nothing wrong. You can be searched any time if a crime has been committed, if you want to have counsel that is your right but asking for simple identification is lawful if a crime is involved. Look people, you can either wait for Ted and George to sign away our nation or start doing something about it. Round these people up, report them, and deport them. You call yourselves patriots, gun owners, yet sit around here wondering why your rights are slipping down the drain. The flood of illegals, the flood of leftists is decaying this nation and you as the Unorganized Militia can make a simple phone call when you see a potential illegal person walking around your area. C77 |
You've got the zeal, but you don't have much sense. Reporting people will accomplish nothing. The INS is not going to arrest the illegals you report. Trust me, it doesn't work, I've tried it numerous times. There are better more effective ways to combat illegal immigration other than just "report them all." Write your senators, and as many other pertinent politicians as possible. Be vocal about the problems with illegal immigration to everyone you know. And then you may be getting somewhere. |
You need to review Search & Seizure laws as well as what informant tips allow LE to do or not do. What EXACTLY does a "potential illegal person" look like - so I'll know when I see one walking down the street? Brian |
Do you understand that yuur OPINION of what constitutes "reasonable" may not be the same as the actual legal, Constitutional standard?  Seeing someone vaguely hispanic-looking walking down the street, or hearing a neighbor speak Russian does NOT give a police officer the legal right to DEMAND identification, or to search their house. You might not LIKE that, or agree with it, but that's the Constitutional standard.
Make all the phone calls you want - it will accomplish nothing. Your heart is in the right place, and I agree with your intent. The problem with illegal immigration is NOT that not enough people are calling the INS/ICE, the problem is that business leaders don't care about following the law, INS/ICE doesn't care about enforcing the law, and our government leaders don't WANT to get rid of the illegals. Any change needs to come from the top down, and if you want to make phone calls, call your elected officials every day, and warn them they will never be re-elected if they support amnesty, and tell them to get off their ass and lobby the government to enforce existing laws. But until the government actually CARES about enforcing exsiting laws, your phone calls to INS/ICE will unfortunately accomplish between little and nothing. |
Yes, you can perform a search of someone or ask for identification if you have probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed. I think that the point that others are trying to make, which I agree with, is that just calling up the police, INS, ICE, Homeland Security. etc. and reporting someone for speaking a language other than English is not enough for them to justify a search. There is no law that you have to speak English. Also, calling someone up and reporting them as an illegal alien is also likely not going to be enough to warrant any sort of search unless you have facts (beyond general appearance or speaking a different language) that support your conclusion that the person is an illegal alien. |