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6/17/2007 9:25:01 AM EDT
Any info on electronic safe locks ? like the ones Liberty and Heritage use ?
did they ever fail ? are they as good as the 'ol dial ??

thanks
6/17/2007 9:42:49 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm quite pleased with my Liberty Centurion, electronic lock. Thus far it hasn't failed.
6/17/2007 9:46:41 AM EDT
[#2]
Dials fail.  I've seen it.  Less moving parts is a good thing.  If you are really worried, buy a safe with two doors.
6/17/2007 9:57:37 AM EDT
[#3]
im just worried ill be getting ready for a shoot at .6:00 on a sunday morning,
and ill be locked out.

have anyone ever heard of them failing ?

6/17/2007 12:12:18 PM EDT
[#4]
I have an electronic. No issues thus far. Fast to get into the safe. I esp like that I can easily change the combo if I suspect the children have the old one figured out.
6/17/2007 12:41:30 PM EDT
[#5]
will they always hold the combo's ?
6/17/2007 12:46:01 PM EDT
[#6]
I have two small ones, one for a couple handguns I got at Wally World, and a cheap one I got at Harbor Freight (only keep ammo in that one).

The handgun one, came with a key to open it up if the batteries die.

This reminds me, I better replace the batteries in these.
6/17/2007 12:50:26 PM EDT
[#7]
I have a keypad on one of my jewelry store vaults and it gets used several times a day almost every day. So far, no problems.
6/17/2007 12:56:47 PM EDT
[#8]
I know most electronic lock hold a 2 yr warranty and mech locks hold a lifetime warranty.  I asked the safe guy that delivered mine why that is...

He said that 99% of his service calls are for electronic locks failing.

You warranty something like that for life and you lose a lot of money.

Edited to add...good luck getting an electronic lock to open after an EMP.  Just my .02
6/17/2007 2:54:27 PM EDT
[#9]
mechanical it is boys...

thanks.

im sure electronic is cool, but it would suck if a big weekend is planned , like
a holiday weekend..and the lock shits the bed.

and no smiths are around till the following tuesday.
6/18/2007 11:38:45 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Any info on electronic safe locks ? like the ones Liberty and Heritage use ?
did they ever fail ? are they as good as the 'ol dial ??

thanks


The S&G 6120 is pretty much the industry standard electronic lock used on good or better safes.  They are rated for something like 8000 openings on one 9v battery and hold the combo on a chip I believe, good for 10+ years w/o a battery.
6/18/2007 11:47:24 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
will they always hold the combo's ?


Yes they will hold your combo. The one you set, not the factory one. Well it will keep the factory one if you never changed it to a new combo.
Just keep a 9 volt battery handy outside of the safe and no worries.

Yes I have a keypad safe.
6/18/2007 11:50:45 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
I know most electronic lock hold a 2 yr warranty and mech locks hold a lifetime warranty.  I asked the safe guy that delivered mine why that is...

He said that 99% of his service calls are for electronic locks failing.

You warranty something like that for life and you lose a lot of money.

Edited to add...good luck getting an electronic lock to open after an EMP.  Just my .02


Splice in a new keypad and you are good to go.
Oh 2 blocks from my place is the store I got my safe from and they will splice it for me
or I can do it myself.

Yes an EMP and I maybe F'ed but what are the chances of that?
6/19/2007 12:26:41 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

The S&G 6120 is pretty much the industry standard electronic lock used on good or better safes.  They are rated for something like 8000 openings on one 9v battery and hold the combo on a chip I believe, good for 10+ years w/o a battery.


The Sargent & Greenleaf 6120 is a great electronic lock.

I have 2 safes.  One has the S&G 6120.  The other has the cheapo LG one, I'm not sure the model.  

Night and day difference.

If I were a smarter guy, I'd buy a 6120 and figure out how to put it in place of the cheapo LG one.



6/19/2007 12:32:33 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I know most electronic lock hold a 2 yr warranty and mech locks hold a lifetime warranty.  I asked the safe guy that delivered mine why that is...

He said that 99% of his service calls are for electronic locks failing.

You warranty something like that for life and you lose a lot of money.

Edited to add...good luck getting an electronic lock to open after an EMP.  Just my .02


Splice in a new keypad and you are good to go.
Oh 2 blocks from my place is the store I got my safe from and they will splice it for me
or I can do it myself.

Yes an EMP and I maybe F'ed but what are the chances of that?


From a terror attack?

If you're close enough to get EMPed by a terrorist nuke, the bast-effects are gonna cook your ass anyhow...

Terrorists don't have the ability to get a big enough nuke high enough into space to produce an EMP far outside the blast-zone...

Other ways to produce one have been attempted but never successful....

So unless we go nuclear with Russia some time soon, there won't be EMP problems...
6/19/2007 2:56:57 PM EDT
[#15]
how long have you guys had the Electronic locks ?

my dealer has one Black with dial and one Blue with Electronic.
i want the blue one, but im not sure about the E-Lock.

6/19/2007 4:04:08 PM EDT
[#16]
The following thinking is why I went Keypad

A punk breaks into your home.
See’s the dial safe and starts bashing away at the dial but can’t open it
Now you have to take your safe to a locksmith or try to get him to come to your home and fix the dial. I think this is an in shop repair job.

A punk breaks into your home.
See’s the Keypad safe starts bashing away at the keypad but can’t open it.
Now you go to your safe dealer get another keypad and splice it to the safe and you can open it.

Edit to fix: I's my's and You's
6/19/2007 4:53:35 PM EDT
[#17]
can the keypad be swapped out in the future ?

so if the keypad fails...i can splice in a new one ?
how do i do that if i can't open the door ?

id be fine with that option.
id even have one in storage.

couldn't that bad guy just bash off the keypad and install his own ?
6/19/2007 5:03:03 PM EDT
[#18]
#1 thing that goes wrong with a safe... Go old school.

If you feel the need for quick access to a rifle, keep one under the bed or in the closet.
6/19/2007 5:19:31 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
The following thinking is why I went Keypad

A punk breaks into your home.
See’s the dial safe and starts bashing away at the dial but can’t open it
Now you have to take your safe to a locksmith or try to get him to come to your home and fix the dial. I think this is an in shop repair job.

A punk breaks into your home.
See’s the Keypad safe starts bashing away at the keypad but can’t open it.
Now you go to your safe dealer get another keypad and splice it to the safe and you can open it.

Edit to fix: I's my's and You's

No, after he fucks my dial lock up, I call Liberty since they have a lifetime free repair/replacement for damages rendered during a break in.

ETA - Both locks have their pros and cons.  Electric locks are easier to get in to in a hurry, but they need batteries, and things that need batteries, from remote controls to your girlfriend's toys, suck IMO.  Dial type locks need/should be checked periodically by a locksmith and don't tolerate abuse very well (don't spool the thing up like they do in the movies).  I have an S&G dial lock on my safe now, I like it.
6/19/2007 5:25:11 PM EDT
[#20]
If you are that terribly worried about EMP suseptibility, get the Kaba Mas X-09 electro-mechanical lock.  It is around $1200 but the GSA has certified it for storage of classified material and it is EMP hardened.  
6/19/2007 7:16:38 PM EDT
[#21]
I just want the thing to work every time. for the next 60 years.
until i die or sell off the toys...

im not big on the batterie thing. but the e-locks do sound ok for the most part.
but the mechanical is the why cahnge it if its not broke type a thing.