Dude...Danc46...Some of those stories are ridiculous. "Bigfoot chased me around the car at the mall" "Bigfoot threw me off my horse, bit me, and rode off on my horse" "Bigfoot 7ft tall with eyes 8 inches in diameter" I stopped reading through them all. Many were plausible...others...questionable.

Quoted: Dude...Danc46...Some of those stories are ridiculous. "Bigfoot chased me around the car at the mall" "Bigfoot threw me off my horse, bit me, and rode off on my horse" "Bigfoot 7ft tall with eyes 8 inches in diameter" I stopped reading through them all. Many were plausible...others...questionable.

Bigfoot riding horse is plausible.  I read that book linked in this thread written by bigfoot.  It was funny.

Heres something interesting that could be a bigfoot type sighting.  Scroll down towards the bottom about Cain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_W._Patten

Quoted: Dude...Danc46...Some of those stories are ridiculous....

Yep, I agree. So is the story that a security camera took a video of the critters getting into a dumpster behind an Indian casino. But I know too many people, including police officers/friends I trust implicitly, that saw the tape and spent a lot of time and effort trying to get it from the tribe.
Sounds really ridiculous, doesn't it?

gooniegoogoo

three foots and that horse.

Damn!  Reading this took forever!  Can't believe it took me this long to sutmble upon it.  Thanks for all the stories muddydog.  There's always going to be skeptics, but I believe you.
Now I definitively wanna tag along on some of these expeditions.

45 pages later and this thread is still alive. Let's keep it up!

I helped this buddy build a fence around an odd shaped lot of 9 acres. It's accessed via a public right of way that is not in use right off Route 66. It has an old railroad bed/embankment running across one end of it. The railroad tracks are gone, the embankment overgrown with small trees ranging up to 20 ft tall. They are thick on that embankment.
There is a dry creek running on the other side for over 250 yds of the property line. It is 30 to 40 ft wide and over 10 to 15 feet deep
The guy that lives next to it is a wildlife biologist for a large municipality involved in animal control. He told me this story three times with some variations on one certain question in it each time. So the story is suspect but I still believe it has some basis in fact.
The story goes like this - He lets his dogs out one night in December of 200. We'd had a snowfall of about 5 inches that day. His two dogs don't come back for an hour or so. He goes out looking for them toward this odd shaped piece of land. He hears his dogs chasing something and coming in his general direction. Moving through the trees really fast is a critter on all fours. His Great Dane and Pyrenees are behind it. He sees it come across that public right of way about 25 yds or so in a flash. It surprised him as seeing it move so fast and going over a really large brush pile. The dogs stopped at the brush pile because he had run up to the brush pile to see where it had gone. It had disappeared in the woods close by.
His first story about seeing the critter while snake hunting I have already posted here. It didn't vary one bit in the three times he told it to me. The second story had some variations describing the critter on all fours.
So some of his story may be faulty recall or story construction.
But he was actually afraid when I asked him how old his wife was and if she menstruated regularly. You could actually see the fear in his eyes when I told him young male critters were known to sneak around places where a woman was menstruating. His hands clenched and his posture came upright as well as his eyes widening when I mentioned this.
The guy that owns the property we fenced is a FLETC contract instructor and is gone a lot of the time. He pays this wildlife biologist to feed his horses. They are having a problem every now and again with parts of  deer carcasses showing up. Coyotes will not dissemble a carcass unless it is in advanced decay. There are sections of deer with fresh flesh showing up in the field drug up by the Great Dane and/or Pyrenees. I don't believe those dogs can run  a deer down and take it apart.
This has happened three or four times since the summer of 2006.
We can't use a high powered rifle out there because of the horses. And shotguns ain't my weapon of choice to hunt one of these critters.
The wildlife biologist keeps a 300 Win Mag sitting by his back door, fully loaded.

Ok guys....here's the mental wall I'm having a problem jumping.

1st off, like I've said in 2 posts now, I believe in Sasquatch, not because of cool stories, but due to scientists in different fields studying foot casts molds and so forth.  These experts in their fields have proven that what they are looking at is not faked and does come from some type of primate.

Muddydog and danc46.....

No offense to you guys intended but it seems we have two groups.  
1)  Bigfoot researchers and scientists who want to find hard evidence of this creature so that, like the gorilla, it can be documented and added to the list of known animals....these guys spend hours, even years in the woods and on the trail with little or nothing to show for it.

2)  You guys, on the other hand, seem to be on a 1st name basis with these things.  Again, no offense but if you combine all the stuff from these 45 pages of posts, you guys are having some amazing encounters that are happening on an incredibly frequent basis and you have hidden, never before seen evidence to back it up.

Why the mystery muddydog?  Take the SKS encounter for example.  What on earth could these "secret" parts of the stories be?  Did they find him in their hidden Poppy Feilds?

Why not take one of these verifiable scientific experts out with you on 1 hunting trip.  Not to kill just to watch.  It seems to me you could close a huge door of suspicion and doubt on just one of your regular outings.  

Why the fuck won't this thread DIE?!?!

UNTAG

Quoted: Why the fuck won't this thread DIE?!?! UNTAG

kinda like all these sasquatches that muddydog shoots?

Who would win in a fight squatdog or Sasquatch ?

Quoted: Who would win in a fight squatdog or Sasquatch ?

I guess it depends on whether or not Sasquatch can take a full power shot...

Quoted: Who would win in a fight squatdog or Sasquatch ?

Only one man has:



LINK

Quoted: Ok guys....here's the mental wall I'm having a problem jumping. .... You guys, on the other hand, seem to be on a 1st name basis with these things...

On the contrary, I've only had a possible encounter, something big moving through the trees, that scared the hell out of me and two others, all carrying rifles and handguns at an Indian shooting range.
All of the other things I have related in this thread are second hand information as far as actually seeing the critters. And one good picture that someone I know took on his own land but will not share due to the fear of ridicule. He doesn't need money or an ego boost, he's an MD and has no reason to fake the picture.
I believe a video tape does exist of the critters getting into a dumpster behind an Indian casino. I know people who did their best to get that tape strictly for greed, to sell for money.
Too many people, in too many countries, and in too many areas in the US, have seen hairy bipedal critters, since the Spanish first started exploring the North American continent.
There are others in this thread that have seen them and related their stories. They don't need to be convinced.
Others will never be convinced. Some believe it feasible but are not convinced.
If it hadn't been for that Indian video, I'd believe their existence feasible instead of being convinced.

Quoted: Quoted: Who would win in a fight squatdog or Sasquatch ? Only one man has: www.mofolandia.com.br/cyborg_6million/steve.jpg LINK

Quoted: On the contrary, I've only had a possible encounter, something big moving through the trees, that scared the hell out of me and two others, all carrying rifles and handguns at an Indian shooting range. All of the other things I have related in this thread are second hand information as far as actually seeing the critters. And one good picture that someone I know took on his own land but will not share due to the fear of ridicule. He doesn't need money or an ego boost, he's an MD and has no reason to fake the picture. I believe a video tape does exist of the critters getting into a dumpster behind an Indian casino. I know people who did their best to get that tape strictly for greed, to sell for money. Too many people, in too many countries, and in too many areas in the US, have seen hairy bipedal critters, since the Spanish first started exploring the North American continent. There are others in this thread that have seen them and related their stories. They don't need to be convinced. Others will never be convinced. Some believe it feasible but are not convinced. If it hadn't been for that Indian video, I'd believe their existence feasible instead of being convinced.

I too am convinced.  I also believe what you and muddydog have posted.  

My point was that people keep claiming to have some incredible evidence but won't show it due to some fear of being made fun of or something.

I can understand that.

Here's what I would do.  

Email my REALLY good bigfoot photo to a free, completely anonomys, email account of my own creation.  Go to a public library, use their computers to create an anonomys account on Photobucket.com (again free) and upload said photo from this free email account.  Then I would post here with a link to that photo and say....look what I had emailed to me by an un-named friend.

There is NO way that could be traced back to you or your MD friend and he would in NO way be linked to this photo.  This would cover muddydog's pics as well.

I just feel a whole lot of "good" would come from these.....let the naysayers do what they want....who cares what they say????

Quoted: ....Email my REALLY good bigfoot photo to a free, completely anonomys, email account of my own creation.  Go to a public library, use their computers to create an anonomys account on Photobucket.com (again free) and upload said photo from this free email account.  Then I would post here with a link to that photo and say....look what I had emailed to me by an un-named friend. There is NO way that could be traced back to you or your MD friend and he would in NO way be linked to this photo.  This would cover muddydog's pics as well. I just feel a whole lot of "good" would come from these.....let the naysayers do what they want....who cares what they say????

It's not my picture and I have tried repeatedly to obtain a copy of it. It's not going to happen. He is afraid it would ruin his practice, he would be ridiculed, or something to that effect. He doesn't trust me or anyone concerning that picture. Several others have seen it and tried to get a copy. He may be afraid someone would sell it and tie him to the picture. I guess I can't blame him. He may even consider my talking about the picture a betrayal of trust.
By the way, he no longer owns that land.

Quoted: Quoted: ....Email my REALLY good bigfoot photo to a free, completely anonomys, email account of my own creation.  Go to a public library, use their computers to create an anonomys account on Photobucket.com (again free) and upload said photo from this free email account.  Then I would post here with a link to that photo and say....look what I had emailed to me by an un-named friend. There is NO way that could be traced back to you or your MD friend and he would in NO way be linked to this photo.  This would cover muddydog's pics as well. I just feel a whole lot of "good" would come from these.....let the naysayers do what they want....who cares what they say???? It's not my picture and I have tried repeatedly to obtain a copy of it. It's not going to happen. He is afraid it would ruin his practice, he would be ridiculed, or something to that effect. He doesn't trust me or anyone concerning that picture. Several others have seen it and tried to get a copy. He may be afraid someone would sell it and tie him to the picture. I guess I can't blame him. He may even consider my talking about the picture a betrayal of trust. By the way, he no longer owns that land.

oh well...some things just will never happen.  That's crazy that he has so much fear of reprisals.  I'm not doubting your integrity at all, it just seems, given his obvious intelligence as a doctor,  he would understand it could so easily be done with complete
anonymnity.

So close yet so far  

Quoted: oh well...some things just will never happen.  That's crazy that he has so much fear of reprisals.....

It's not reprisals, it's ridicule he doesn't want. He has told me "it would impact my practice" if it was connected to him. And really, when it gets right down to it, I can't blame him. Just look at the ridicule muddydog has had thrown at him in this thread.
You can never tell how or what someone will think. I've seen some people go beserk at the mention of something they don't believe in, raising their voice, face turning red, etc. over something that really doesn't impact them.
Some people don't want the attention, either positive or negative, when it comes to reporting Bigfoot encounters.
He's just one of many who feel that way.
He is also very afraid of them.

Quoted: Quoted: you guys had me going up until the story about the horny bigfoot with the hard-on looking at the playboy girls. You claim to have seen dozens of these things yet you dont have a single pic. You've seen other peoples' pics and vids but they've all mysteriously vanished or been destroyed. Some people spend their whole lives wandering around the woods with a camera looking for these things and never see them, yet you seem to encounter these creatures continuously each time you go out to the woods. You explain not having any photos by saying you'd rather have a rifle in your hand than a camera then they run off before you can get a camera out. Why not a bring a cameraman with you? Or documentary film crew from the Discovery Channel? You'd be a millionaire and the world renowned expert on bigfoots instead of just some guy posting wild stories on an internet. i never said..i didnt have pics..or vids.. i said..they'll never go public.. no pic or video will stand scrutiny..ever..so why do it.. only a dead body. not body part..a whole intact body..and thats not going to happen. the terrain they live in..the size..and the group protection. dont think 3 experienced woodsmen havent tried and thought everything thru.. do you realize what would happen if these things were to be outed.. they shut down the PNW over a freaking bird...the spotted owl. do you think the timber and natural gas industry is going to let that happen again. they rule SE OK..no member of my family is going to be a silkwood.. i am not loosing my hunting land..or anyone elses due to something like this.. do you realize how many people show up...to your door hounding you night and day..over something like this. my friends..who shot one a few years ago..had their kidz harassed at school by adult total strangers.. lunatics and crazies.. they had to move..due to it. that taught me a lesson.. if you dont think it would be a personal nightmare..your mistaken. i gaurantee you that there are dozens of good pics out there..but like mine..they are locked away..the people who took them realize the problems associated with them.

           But it's ok to say you have photos of BF. Just cant show them to anyone, ok

People dont want to show their Pictures or video because they don't want to be ridiculed. But they are perfectly fine saying they have video and pictures. When people say publicly that something exist that many people say doesn't exist. They show all the proof they have. Funny every picture there is of BF. Has a name of who took the Picture. How come there are no onominus pictures out there????
 Not saying BF never existed but I definitely dont believe people who claim this. Every time someone says they have proof. They always have a reason for not presenting this proof.

Quoted: .... Not saying BF never existed but I definitely dont believe people who claim this. Every time someone says they have proof. They always have a reason for not presenting this proof.

I think this thread has about run it's course. Nothing will be accomplished by arguing the point. Not any film or video will be accepted by everyone. The Patterson film is still being called a fraud by some and genuine by others 40 years after it was taken.
Somewhere, someone already has a body in all likelihood. Or will soon. Then maybe it will be made public and scare everyone out of the woods and back into the city. We'll see.

Quoted: I think this thread has about run it's course. Nothing will be accomplished by arguing the point. Not any film or video will be accepted by everyone. The Patterson film is still being called a fraud by some and genuine by others 40 years after it was taken. Somewhere, someone already has a body in all likelihood. Or will soon. Then maybe it will be made public and scare everyone out of the woods and back into the city. We'll see.

Yeah the things I've learned here from you and muddydog are really impressive.  It has clarified alot of things in other stories, etc....especially that these animals are attracted to women during their cycles and we think bigfoot can see IR.

Thanks guys.....

I've tried getting into other bigfoot forums out there but they are full of bs.  I did read of one incredible experience a guy named monkeyfeet had when he camped out alone on some granite rocks in N. Cali.  Its in the bigfoot.net forums....he has great photos of the site and all.

One for the road:

I don't think this thread is dead. More stories!

I had been talking about this thread with a couple of my coworkers and found out that another guy I work with and know pretty well had a sighting last year. I talked to him today and this is his story.

He was driving home from fishing Lake Mille Lacs in central MN on a stretch of highway (I'll see if I can nail down exactly where) that is about an hour-long stretch between towns. He said it is low, swampy brushy terrain, with a two-lane highway with wide grassy ditches on each side. This was in broad daylight.

About a half mile out in front of him he saw what he first thought was a horse, then a moose as he got closer. He sped up to get a better look, as it was crossing the road. He said then, right in the very middle of the road, it stood up on two legs, looked his way, and then walked off the road and across the ditch into the woods (on two legs). He got within about 200 yards of it before he lost sight of it in the woods.

He had his camera ready (wondering what the hell he had just seen) and stopped where it had crossed the road moments before. He saw where the grass had been trampled and the path the thing took into the woods, and could hear sticks cracking/movement in the woods. He wasn't about to follow it into the woods, but he did get out of his truck and try to get a look at it again, but didn't see it.

I asked him, could it have been a bear? He said, "Only if we have 12-foot tall black bears in Minnesota." Besides, bears don't really walk on two feet, especially when avoiding an accelerating car, at least not with any grace or outside a circus.

He knows what he saw, but has no idea what it was.

This guy is a very average MN type dude -- no nonsense, easygoing, NOT a "weirdo" in any sense of the word. I have absolutely no reason to think he would make any of this up.

12 foot tall?
I read somewhere that the bigger the critter is, the more likely it is to move mostly on all fours, like silverback gorillas. Something about the low back tiring more quickly on two feet the bigger the critter.

Well, keeping in mind how far he was from it -- it's not like it was leaving a kwik-e-mart with the big ruler by the exit door. The point I got was it was REALLY BIG (he kept saying how huge it was) and that it couldn't have been a bear. Bears up here aren't that big.

Quoted: Well, keeping in mind how far he was from it -- it's not like it was leaving a kwik-e-mart with the big ruler by the exit door. The point I got was it was REALLY BIG (he kept saying how huge it was) and that it couldn't have been a bear. Bears up here aren't that big.

That is part of the problem in reports of Bigfoot encounters. Different people will guesstimate different sizes of a critter seen by several parties at once. Of course, someone will yell everyone is lying, fraud, fake. etc and point to the differences in the stories as proof of fraud. But the story may have its' basis founded on the fact it actually occurred but was reported differently.
Your coworker probably saw one and not a bear as you say. Or it Shaquille Oneal out once again in his ghillie suit in the middle of the night exploring the woods in Nowhere, USA.

I have spent a lot of time in the woods in the Northwest and have never seen any evidence of Bigfoot. I have seen every other big critter though. I have had friends claim to have seen them. I know you can not hunt them in Washington, they are protected. If I ever do see one I will not shoot it without cause. I would have to say that I find the idea of bigfoot possible but not plausible.

Although possible as to it's existance, we as members of the conservative hunting community have the strong obligation to track, identify, observe and ultimatly shoot one's ass.

It will never be settled untill their is a specimen available for public display.

Personally I don't believe they exist however, if they most certainly do then if you look in places where the things have been allegidly seen, then go big and go hot.

If they do exist could they be an American great ape perhaps, shit who knows?

Still quite a bit of wild country around.

Still I would have figured someone would have tagged one with a 30/30 by now.

Ya Know!!

Quoted: Although possible as to it's existance, we as members of the conservative hunting community have the strong obligation to track, identify, observe and ultimatly shoot one's ass. ....Still I would have figured someone would have tagged one with a 30/30 by now. Ya Know!!

Getting off into religious grounds, do they have a soul? Are they a spiritual entity?
Killing without justification is wrong from most people's point of view. We do not actively hunt them as a society on the whole. Do they not hunt us because of our disease ridden bodies? Chimps are known to catch polio, monkeys bring humans diseases....do they avoid hunting and eating human flesh on a daily basis due to survival instincts? Or avoid us due to possible diseases? It is probably survival, and not spiritual, reasons as to why they are so reclusive and normally avoid humans.
But like any critter involved in survival, any flesh will do. Even humans are that way when hungry.
Some people have posted old pictures of critters that have been shot, possibly taken in the late 1800s or early 1900s. Someone is going to call fake even if they are authentic. I believe bodies have been in public possession before, but no one made it widely known.
Their population may have taken a huge decrease in the past 200 years on this continent. Look at the decline in deer and waterfowl at the turn of the 20th century due to hunting. It would have certainly impacted their food chain.
Handling a big dead critter is past what one or two people can do. I don't think you will be able to back up a winch truck and jack the big, stinking hairy carcass up in the air and then drive down I-35 to the nearest TV station.
As far as killing one and bringing it in, some red-necked bubba with a 30/30 may get 'er done or already has got it done.
It's possible some large university has a critter on ice or will in the near future, then make it public.
Economics damn sure has something to do with the critters being made public.

Quoted: Quoted: I think this thread has about run it's course. Nothing will be accomplished by arguing the point. Not any film or video will be accepted by everyone. The Patterson film is still being called a fraud by some and genuine by others 40 years after it was taken. Somewhere, someone already has a body in all likelihood. Or will soon. Then maybe it will be made public and scare everyone out of the woods and back into the city. We'll see. Yeah the things I've learned here from you and muddydog are really impressive.  It has clarified alot of things in other stories, etc....especially that these animals are attracted to women during their cycles and we think bigfoot can see IR. Thanks guys..... I've tried getting into other bigfoot forums out there but they are full of bs.  I did read of one incredible experience a guy named monkeyfeet had when he camped out alone on some granite rocks in N. Cali.  Its in the bigfoot.net forums....he has great photos of the site and all. One for the road: img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/asarjip/noMess800x600.jpg

Game Cameras


I feel that game cameras are the best way to verify if BF's are around. It has been said that they may see the IR light used by these cameras to sense movement. Nonsense. Apes can't see down into the IR part of the spectrum. If anything it'd be the sound made by the microelectronics that cause them to destroy cameras. Then again, deer don't notice the cameras and they have much better hearing than any ape so I'm not sure. Moving on.

Used tampons. Very used. If the slightest whiff of human female scent can drive some BF to insane acts think what an entire used tampon would do? Nail a VUT to a tree about 9 feet up and focus a game camera on said tree. Camo the game cam' a bit to hide it from the stupid rednecks who enjoy smashing game cameras and there you go.
You will either get nothing, or a million Dollar picture.


If anything will get you a real live BF on film this method will. Good luck.

Dupe

Quoted: I have spent a lot of time in the woods in the Northwest and have never seen any evidence of Bigfoot. I have seen every other big critter though. I have had friends claim to have seen them. I know you can not hunt them in Washington, they are protected. If I ever do see one I will not shoot it without cause. I would have to say that I find the idea of bigfoot possible but not plausible.

I'm right there with you Stumps.  I spent/spend a lot of time in the woods (mostly the Cascades, off trail, but some in the Olympics and on the Olympic Coast) and have never experienced anything first-hand.  That said, a friend whom I trust had an experience at Lake Cle Ellum one spring in the early '80s.  The next year, about the same time, he took some other friends there because he gave them so much shit about it.  I was in the Army by then, but they had a similar experience.  Their experiences matched the ones Here.

My conclusion is the same as yours.  IMO IF they exis in WA, they would have to spend most of their time hard to get to and/or undesireable (from a recreational standpoint) areas.  For example, the upper reaches of the East Fork of Foss River, or the swampy areas of the Waptus River Drainage (which would explain occasional sightings at Lake Cle Ellum, where most of the people in the drainage concentrate) or parts of the North Cascades.

Speaking of strange phenomena in WA, I have another buddy who swears he saw a Grizzly in this area.  He's a trustworhy guy who has seen many a black bear and his description was textbook.  Given the amount of ridicule he's suffered for claiming to see a Grizzly in Western WA, it doesn't surprise me that some  people are reluctant to tell their bigfoot stories.

More interestin information on ape behavior.  You can download video HERE

I have heard about grizzlis being reintroduce to the North Cascades, I guess one could migrate to Wenachee. My buddies that claim to have seen bigfoot were together on Mt. Rainier National Park land about 8 miles from the main park. DOwn in te area where the Park housing and Command center are located, between Ashford.

I guess I should not doubt them as they are freinds. One of them swore up and down for years that he got bitten by a lady bug and did not believe him. About 10 years ago I was working on a house replacing the siding. I pulled off an old piece of siding and ended up covered in lady bugs and proceded to bite th hell out of me.

Who knows when it come to bigfoot. But I now know the truth about lady bugs.

A little off topic, but I too never thought ladybugs would bite until one bit me a few years back. I thumped him off of me and kinda thought to myself, "WTF, I think I just got bitten by a ladybug."

Haven't been bitten by Sasquatch yet, and hopefully won't ever.

Quoted: I have heard about grizzlis being reintroduce to the North Cascades, I guess one could migrate to Wenachee. My buddies that claim to have seen bigfoot were together on Mt. Rainier National Park land about 8 miles from the main park. DOwn in te area where the Park housing and Command center are located, between Ashford. I guess I should not doubt them as they are freinds. One of them swore up and down for years that he got bitten by a lady bug and did not believe him. About 10 years ago I was working on a house replacing the siding. I pulled off an old piece of siding and ended up covered in lady bugs and proceded to bite th hell out of me. Who knows when it come to bigfoot. But I now know the truth about lady bugs.

I wouldn't count that for anything. From what I hear, you piss off anything of the female gender.

I feel that game cameras are the best way to verify if BF's are around. It has been said that they may see the IR light used by these cameras to sense movement. Nonsense. Apes can't see down into the IR part of the spectrum.

How do YOU know they cant see in the IR spectrum? Have you studied them? You can compare them to other great apes to some extent, but maybe its something like this that sets them apart from other ape species allowing them to remain unseen and elusive to humans. Its got to be some kind of 'special' ability that we don't know about or we would already have one in the zoo don't you think?

Quoted: Getting off into religious grounds, do they have a soul? Are they a spiritual entity?

Does any animal other than a human have a soul?  

We do not actively hunt them as a society on the whole. Do they not hunt us because of our disease ridden bodies? Chimps are known to catch polio, monkeys bring humans diseases....do they avoid hunting and eating human flesh on a daily basis due to survival instincts?

No, they don't hunt us, because they don't exist, except in the minds of some.

Oh, BTW, where are the pics of the "monkee nests"  hehee.

Quoted: No, they don't hunt us, because they don't exist, except in the minds of some.

They don't hunt us because they don't want any part of us. They just want to roam the wilderness and go about their daily lives. If they wanted to hunt us, they'd be wondering into the cities and terrorizing us. I haven't heard of any reports where bigfeet have been harassing the citizens of a city.

They don't exist only in the minds of some. They exist in the real world. Bigfeet are just damn good about keeping out of sight and avoiding confrontations. That's why it's so damn hard to get good footage/photos of them. When they do get close enough for people to see, they usually just manage to show their shadow or silohuette (sp?) like they want to keep people guessing what it was they saw.

Quoted: Quoted: Getting off into religious grounds, do they have a soul? Are they a spiritual entity? Does any animal other than a human have a soul?   I can't answer that, I'm not the Creator. We do not actively hunt them as a society on the whole. Do they not hunt us because of our disease ridden bodies? Chimps are known to catch polio, monkeys bring humans diseases....do they avoid hunting and eating human flesh on a daily basis due to survival instincts? No, they don't hunt us, because they don't exist, except in the minds of some. Can you prove they don't? Several people here have said they've personally seen them! Can you prove the Patterson film is a fraud? Oh, BTW, where are the pics of the "monkee nests"  hehee. You wouldn't know what they were if you were looking right at them in the woods.

Quoted: I feel that game cameras are the best way to verify if BF's are around. It has been said that they may see the IR light used by these cameras to sense movement. Nonsense. Apes can't see down into the IR part of the spectrum. How do YOU know they cant see in the IR spectrum? Have you studied them? You can compare them to other great apes to some extent, but maybe its something like this that sets them apart from other ape species allowing them to remain unseen and elusive to humans. Its got to be some kind of 'special' ability that we don't know about or we would already have one in the zoo don't you think?

1. I think you need to switch to decaf.
2. Evolution doesn't work that way.
3. It doesn't "got" to be anything.
4. By far the most likely answer is they don't exist.

Sorry to pull your cork lil' buckaroo.

Quoted: Quoted: Getting off into religious grounds, do they have a soul? Are they a spiritual entity?

Does any animal other than a human have a soul?  


yes

No, they don't hunt us, because they don't exist, except in the minds of some.

So you from the comforts of modern living can assure us all what isn't out in the deepest and most remote places on the planet? If we were talking about giant spiders or things that defy common sense or physics that would be 1 thing, but we're debating an unclassified ape like creature, which is very possible, and more so considering the existance of such a creature 10,000 years ago. But we always think we know what didn't survive. Natural is always reminding us we're wrong.

Quoted: Game Cameras I feel that game cameras are the best way to verify if BF's are around. It has been said that they may see the IR light used by these cameras to sense movement. Nonsense. Apes can't see down into the IR part of the spectrum. If anything it'd be the sound made by the microelectronics that cause them to destroy cameras. Then again, deer don't notice the cameras and they have much better hearing than any ape so I'm not sure. Moving on. Used tampons. Very used. If the slightest whiff of human female scent can drive some BF to insane acts think what an entire used tampon would do? Nail a VUT to a tree about 9 feet up and focus a game camera on said tree. Camo the game cam' a bit to hide it from the stupid rednecks who enjoy smashing game cameras and there you go. You will either get nothing, or a million Dollar picture. If anything will get you a real live BF on film this method will. Good luck.

I'm right with ya. That's definitely the way to go. Waiting for the pix. Somehow I think it might be a long wait, though. Hehh hehh...

Quoted: Quoted: Why the fuck won't this thread DIE?!?! UNTAG kinda like all these sasquatches that muddydog shoots?

i've never shot one..
dont put words out there on my behalf.

Quoted: Game Cameras I feel that game cameras are the best way to verify if BF's are around. It has been said that they may see the IR light used by these cameras to sense movement. Nonsense. Apes can't see down into the IR part of the spectrum. If anything it'd be the sound made by the microelectronics that cause them to destroy cameras. Then again, deer don't notice the cameras and they have much better hearing than any ape so I'm not sure. Moving on. Used tampons. Very used. If the slightest whiff of human female scent can drive some BF to insane acts think what an entire used tampon would do? Nail a VUT to a tree about 9 feet up and focus a game camera on said tree. Camo the game cam' a bit to hide it from the stupid rednecks who enjoy smashing game cameras and there you go. You will either get nothing, or a million Dollar picture. If anything will get you a real live BF on film this method will. Good luck.

tell me how do you KNOW about them NOT SEEING IR SPECTRUM.
DO YOU HAVE A BIGFOOT EYE BALL FOR STUDY??

tell me about their hearing..i take it you have the auditory canal of one you've studied?
i know they can hear pretty good..

that works both ways..
show me proof and statitics to the contrary.

i will tell you this.
good camo works..they know your there..but they loose you unless you move.

BTW..
there are no other humans other than us in most of the places we have tried to use cams.

people think that humans roam every inch of the country and that is totally wrong.

1/2 of the places we hunt ..only 6 individuals own or lease the land and the land is totally inpenetrable with only 1 washedout road going in.

that being our own personal land.

BTW..
i was down there today..
and found 3 prints that were fairly well seen in the rough terrain that went about 18-19 inches long in fresh mud of a seismagraph road, inbetween a food plot and a corn/soybean-supplement feeder.

another thing...

what makes people think I OWE THEM ANYTHING TO SHOW THEM ANY PICS OR VIDEO.

what have you contributed..
yet you bitch and wine...about this and that.

yeah i have some cool pics..and a couple of vids...but people would still not beleive a damn thing unless the whole body is on display at the smithsonian..

we have people in america that dont believe we landed on the moon for christ sakes.


what makes you people that ANY MORE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is going to make a difference.

we have thousands of credible reports, some extremely detailed. we have credible outdoorsmans that have said they shot them..and their endings are usually the same.

i will tell you..and you dont have to beleive me for anything..
but the first few times you ever see one..

shooting one will be the last thing on your mind.

i've had a big ass gun in my hand for my first 3 sightings..and i never did.
so you can spare me the chest beating and smack talk..

your sighting will be one of awe and fear..

with one thought that you need to get back to your truck ASAP.

i will tell you this..
the best activity we ever had was used in conjuction of a used tampon and some shit one of the guys bought off the internet..some pheremone..in a bottle
(think, me love you long time)

for one week it was awesome in the creek bottom.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Getting off into religious grounds, do they have a soul? Are they a spiritual entity? Does any animal other than a human have a soul?   I can't answer that, I'm not the Creator. We do not actively hunt them as a society on the whole. Do they not hunt us because of our disease ridden bodies? Chimps are known to catch polio, monkeys bring humans diseases....do they avoid hunting and eating human flesh on a daily basis due to survival instincts? No, they don't hunt us, because they don't exist, except in the minds of some. Can you prove they don't? Several people here have said they've personally seen them! Can you prove the Patterson film is a fraud? Oh, BTW, where are the pics of the "monkee nests"  hehee. You wouldn't know what they were if you were looking right at them in the woods. and unless you actually saw them using it as a nest, it could be anything.

Quoted: what makes people think I OWE THEM ANYTHING TO SHOW THEM ANY PICS OR VIDEO.

You are right about this 100%.  I'm just glad you've put up with the naysayers and kept up believers GLUED to the pc screen.

yeah i have some cool pics..and a couple of vids...but people would still not beleive a damn thing unless the whole body is on display at the smithsonian.. we have people in america that dont believe we landed on the moon for christ sakes. what makes you people that ANY MORE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is going to make a difference.

Well like you said, you don't owe anyone on the internet a darn thing.  Just please consider this......you have a big following here and I'm one of them.  You have experienced these creatures on a level that 99% of the rest of us never will.  I think its a result of your geographic location and expert woodsmanship.

I believe in bigfoot so if you posted one of your pics or vids you would be putting some pretty freakin cool icing on a pretty big cake.

Plus not to mention making the year for all of us believers here!!!!  

Who cares what ppl would say about it being real or faked....cmon muddydog we know you better than that!!

Help a desperate man out here!

Quoted: and unless you actually saw them using it as a nest, it could be anything.

I said in an earlier post how I once found a large bed of cedar branches when I was younger and wondered WTF it was. The branches were broken, not sawed. Some of them were the size of a woman's wrist.
I knew it was a bed of some sort, but for what, I didn't know. Now I wonder how close I was to a critter!

I equate some people who deny the existence of Bigfoot to those who deny we landed on the moon, like muddydog said. People can believe what they want, i.e. the Iranians and Arabs denying the Holocaust of WWII.
Others could care less if they exist or not so long as they don't have to worry about them.
Me, I know my legs and mind are not big enough to see all the wonders and terrors of this huge world we live on. I find it difficult to believe that some two-county-boomers think they know all about what walks in the forests and wildernesses of this world.
It's the primeval fear of the boogie man than makes them deny the possibility of Bigfoot.