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4/28/2007 11:18:57 AM EDT
Why is it that some states accept one states CHP but not anothers? Like SC and GA would accept a permit from LA but anyone from VA is screwed. NH's laws are even more confusing. They honor permits from a few states, however being in VA i'm screwed. If I want to CCW in NH I would have to apply for a Non resident permit, but before they would issue me a non resident permit I would have to have one already in VA. WTF . That is so screwed up.

We so need a federal carry permit.

BTW, i'm getting my info from packing.org
4/28/2007 11:20:17 AM EDT
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Answer: politics
4/28/2007 11:53:01 AM EDT
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Answer: politics


It's also mild xenophobia... "Oh, if we offer reciprocity, then hayseeds from "X" and hicks from "Y" will be able to carry pistols in our fair state!"

The antis also climb on board, having lost the initial action, using hype and paranoia (not to mention outright lies and misrepresentation)  to deny rights to visitors... "We require a certain level of training and background checks.... these other states don't... they'll let a gangbanger carry concealed in a school!"
4/28/2007 12:11:15 PM EDT
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It looks like I need to keep my non resident Florida permit active for my annual trip south.  
4/28/2007 12:20:37 PM EDT
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We so need a federal carry permit.



No sir, respectfully, we do not need a federal carry permit.
4/28/2007 1:21:49 PM EDT
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I love the reciprocity that Indiana recieves.Last year when we went to Disney I checked it out and was glad to see that I would be (Legally) carrying in each state that we drove through. Going strapped to the Magic Kingdom was pretty awesome as well. Don't know what their  rules are but I know what my rules are!
4/28/2007 1:24:51 PM EDT
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We so need a federal carry permit.



No sir, respectfully, we do not need a federal carry permit.


Correct, technically we shouldnt need carry permits at all.
4/28/2007 2:20:15 PM EDT
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We so need a federal carry permit.



No sir, respectfully, we do not need a federal carry permit.


Correct, technically we shouldnt need carry permits at all.


true but do you really think places like NY, NJ, or CA would ever allow that? You're dreaming if you think they'll allow CCW without a permit.
4/28/2007 2:22:58 PM EDT
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We so need a federal carry permit.



No sir, respectfully, we do not need a federal carry permit.


Correct, technically we shouldnt need carry permits at all.


true but do you really think places like NY, NJ, or CA would ever allow that? You're dreaming if you think they'll allow CCW without a permit.
4/28/2007 2:59:09 PM EDT
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We so need a federal carry permit.



No sir, respectfully, we do not need a federal carry permit.


Correct, technically we shouldnt need carry permits at all.


true but do you really think places like NY, NJ, or CA would ever allow that? You're dreaming if you think they'll allow CCW without a permit.



So, under what authority would a federal CCW permit system be implimented? Certainly not under out current constitution. Are you saying that we should scrap our current constitution?
4/28/2007 3:36:35 PM EDT
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Allow reciprocity under the full faith and credit clause (Art. IV).

IIRC, the same language used to ensure validity of driver's licenses when thery were a newfangled thing.

No modification required.
4/28/2007 3:57:13 PM EDT
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Allow reciprocity under the full faith and credit clause (Art. IV).

IIRC, the same language used to ensure validity of driver's licenses when thery were a newfangled thing.

No modification required.


exactly, but areas under communist and nazi control would never accept that.
4/28/2007 6:23:11 PM EDT
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Allow reciprocity under the full faith and credit clause (Art. IV).

IIRC, the same language used to ensure validity of driver's licenses when thery were a newfangled thing.

No modification required.



Yes.

Another branch of the federal .gov is not needed.
We do NOT need, nor WANT, the feds to get involved in concealed carry.

How many federal installations can you currently carry in?

We don't want the feds involved in any more gun issues.

4/28/2007 6:47:58 PM EDT
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Remember that concealed carry is a relatively new concept many places. It has only been in effect in Texas since 1995.

As more "Free States" adopt a shall-issue type system, I think you will one day soon see that your state CHP will be honored in all states that have concealed carry. I think public demand will require this as people move around the country on vacation and on business. The CHP rules will evolve and be similar to how your state DL is honored in all 50 dates and Washington, DC.

Unfortunately, I think our country is headed toward a near-mandatory licensing system for handguns. Certainly, having people attend a 10-12 hour class, undergo an FBI background search, be fingerprinted and pay substantial fees, with renewals every 4-5 years, has to be compelling in selling concealed carry to politicians, law enforcement and John Q. Public. On the other hand, creating a system where a CHP is required to own a handgun is a backdoor way of creating a national gun registration system, as few people who do not own a handgun would subject themselves to the effort of obtaining a CHP. Of course, right now, there is not a system that lists the firearms you own if you have a CHP, but having a CHP is certainly a good place to start if you want to know who owns a firearm.

We also have efforts afoot to obtain and publish the names of people that have a CHP. The Roanoke Times apparently obtained the list of Virginia CHP holders. For a short period (until the list was taken down), you could go to the Roanoke Times' website and put in a Virginia resident's name to see if that person had a VA CHP. The Texas Legislature is currently considering legislation that would prohibit such disclosures of CHP holders, which I believe will pass. This whole campaign to "out" CHP holders seems quite bizarre, as the whole notion of concealed carry is that people you encounter would not know that you were carrying a weapon. If anything, this effort to out CHP holders could encourage people NOT to obtain a CHP for fear that they would be exposed for carrying a gun. In many states, e.g., Texas, it is illegal to carry a concealed handgun unless you have a valid CHP.
4/28/2007 7:20:05 PM EDT
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BTW, i'm getting my info from packing.org

Much of the information at packing.org is outdated.  Go to www.handgunlaw.us for current information.
4/28/2007 7:30:54 PM EDT
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Allow reciprocity under the full faith and credit clause (Art. IV).

IIRC, the same language used to ensure validity of driver's licenses when thery were a newfangled thing.

No modification required.



This is exactly right. The federal govt could also force the states to respect the rights of citizens including the right to be armed. Neither of these two options requires a federal permit system.
4/28/2007 7:44:52 PM EDT
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Allow reciprocity under the full faith and credit clause (Art. IV).

IIRC, the same language used to ensure validity of driver's licenses when thery were a newfangled thing.

No modification required.



This is exactly right. The federal govt could also force the states to respect the rights of citizens including the right to be armed. Neither of these two options requires a federal permit system.


+1, this is what should be done. We already enforce full reciprocity for driver's licenses, marriage licenses, and other such things. Why not CCW permits too? The current system is a giant mess.

The few may or no issue states still left (New York, California, and Illinois mostly) would pitch a fit, but I think we have an overall majority nationwide.