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Posted: 10/1/2001 9:40:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 12:26:01 PM EDT by Paul]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:45:18 AM EDT
YUP - face to face. This is why I am a big advocate of group shoots, and meetings and events. Went to a FAL shoot this weekend. (Took my AR, and won the thing. Suprised even me.) But the FAL'ers are united in purpose, and let the non-gun stuff slide. Now, having met some of them, NO WAY I could slam some of them the way it happens around here. NO WAY. Face to face, baby. it makes a BIG difference.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:50:30 AM EDT
That is why we have the code of conduct and MODs.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 9:53:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 10:02:43 AM EDT
Hey Paul....[beer]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 10:18:17 AM EDT
I hate all of you motherfucker's equally. You all are a bunch of faggot panzies, especially that Anti Guy I met at the last meet, and helped me get that stuck brass case out of my AR's Chamber. Is that what you were talking about?
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 10:34:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: The truth is that we as a group share 99% of beliefs.
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True. OTOH, humans and chimps share about 98% of each others' DNA...that little 2% is pretty damned important though.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 10:37:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: Face to face, baby. it makes a BIG difference.
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I USED to believe that...until people I knew face to face at Ass Web stabbed me in the back. Fact is, some people identify with their beliefs to such an extent that they take any disagreement personally, whether it is intended so or not. When you meet people like that face to face, everyone can seem friendly...but it doesn't change how they feel inside.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 10:42:53 AM EDT
excellent post. the internet lacks common civility, sure enough! My guess, though, is that those of use that would get together @ shoots are the same ones who are civil here. You wouldn't see spam posts form them, except maybe LordTrader. [;)] If member "X" came to a shoot and was a prick he would get slammed there and not return to the boards, that's almost a guaranteed fact. The Compu-babies are more comfortable behind their monitors. I am with you Paul. I bet even garandman and I would get along, not that I think we don't know, religion or not. I mean that sincerely. Is is time for a National Shoot? Somewhere mid-USA? BE, or WY maybe? That would rule! Zaz
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 10:51:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 10:47:05 AM EDT by Waldo]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 10:52:35 AM EDT
St. Francis (or GW's Cyberspace Czar) will take care of those animals. Dave S I'm actually of the Lutheran persuassion.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 10:54:46 AM EDT
Part of it is the anonymity of the Internet. People think they're completly anonymous and act in ways they never would in real life. I found that a lot in the hacker community. I used to do the hacker conventions (Defcon, HoHoCon, Cuervocon, etc.) and everyone who went was relatively pleasant to be around face to face. The people that were jackasses on IRC wouldn't show up because they wouldn't be tolerated in real life. Those that did show up tended to have bad things happen to them from people they had tormented. It's amazing how civilized some punk kid who's been calling your house and harassing you will become when you knock him on his ass in payback. God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 11:00:09 AM EDT
I have met a lot of people from this board, and others too. You all are a bad influence on people. c-rock
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 11:10:37 AM EDT
GodBlessTexas, I used to go to DefCon when it first started too. It used to be fun, then it filled up with jackasses. There was one in particular who was/is big in the "hacker community" that I found to be one of the most irritating people ever. I guarantee you know who he is...in fact, maybe it's you???[;)]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 11:51:06 AM EDT
well.... looks like everyone speaks of things that needs no speaking. Its ok for someone to hate, dislike, or disapprove of it. Its our right. Freedom of speach people ! Most of the race/religon type comments are required as well all are well aware of the facts. Take the political correctness and shove it up your ass. On the same token, keep those comments that would otherwise spark a worthless confrontation to yourself. I know how I feel, I know how most people actually feel. I can also say that Paul, the moderator, actually is promoting such conversation and falling into the politically correct catagory himself. Leave these stupid, foolish, and wasteful conversations to yourselves. As far as the internet is concerned, there are alot of pussies talking shit......thats for sure. Theres no question I wont answer honestly, the same way I'd say to anyones face. Remember, if someone hates a person, or peoples, let them, its ok, its their right, and who the fuck has the right to say whether or not they are wrong ? Think about it, dont just jump onto the PC bandwagon guys and gals. Big "E"
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 11:52:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: ... Yet this group of people focuses on the fact that a member has a greater amount of[b] melatonin[/b] in his skin, Paul
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I think that you may have meant to say [b]Melanin[/b] which is the pigment that based on the amount defines one's skin color. [b]Melatonin[/b] is a hormone produced by the body that amongst other things helps to regulate the sleep cycle.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 11:59:35 AM EDT
While we're at it: big e, it's "speech", not "speach." Pay attention in school, grow up, learn to spell. Norm
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:01:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Chimborazo: GodBlessTexas, I used to go to DefCon when it first started too. It used to be fun, then it filled up with jackasses. There was one in particular who was/is big in the "hacker community" that I found to be one of the most irritating people ever. I guarantee you know who he is...in fact, maybe it's you???[;)]
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If you're talking about Texans, I'm assuming you mean Goggans. Am I right? I think the last time I saw him was Defcon 6 at the Aladdin. And if you think Goggans is bad, have you ever met Pete Shipley? God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:04:21 PM EDT
LOL!!! I wasn't talking about Texans...I was talking about that jackass Shipley. I would love to hear what he has done as of late. The last time I went was DefCon IV. We should take this to e-mail... Sorry to distract from your thread Paul.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:12:36 PM EDT
Norm, Relax POPS.......just got done typing a an engineering proposal for a 14mil. account. As far as schooling goes I graduated from Rutgers with a BA in electrical engineering. I am also an outside plant fiber optic architect. Besides that, I rarely pay attention when responding to such foolish bandwagony banter, like the kind you promote. I'm 25, am highly paid, highly educated, which gives me enough insight to determine your post was merely a showing of the typical bandwagon jumper. Go sit on the recliner tonight, tell your obese wife to fetch you a beer, and stop being so proud you can operate the internet, its not that impressive, although the alcoholics at the VFW may find you to be interesting, youre really just an average Joe, of no special interest to me. By the way, since we're on the subject, if you'd like to hear this face to face I'll be at Fort Dix on saturday.... My term for you Norm is "youre braindead, you gotta fucken bullet in your head" (Rage against the machine, listen to it, its about you) E
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:15:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 12:22:32 PM EDT by zazou]
Originally Posted By BigFukenE:Remember, if someone hates a person, or peoples, let them, its ok, its their right, and who the fuck has the right to say whether or not they are wrong ? Think about it, dont just jump onto the PC bandwagon guys and gals. Big "E"
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big talk form a new guy. Who has the right? When you are sitting in my living room, or extended to this forums context, my bar or coffee shop, I do. That's who. So, Ed Sr., GB and the chosen crew do. Their house, boards, their rules. Don't like it? Split
I'm 25, am highly paid, highly educated, which gives me enough insight to determine your post was merely a showing of the typical bandwagon jumper.
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That's close to the most elitist attitude I have seen on this board in a long while... Well, I hate to burst your Rutgers highly educated bubble, but none of that gives you insight or enhances your intelligence. So, congrats on your 14 million dollar proposal, but your self reasoning as to why you are or what makes you insightful is severely flawed. BTW, there is a a great deal you need to learn apparently about PCness and civility and their differences. And if you don't see that then I don' think I can explain it to you. Zaz PS, Sorry Paul. He and ilk set me off sometimes.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:27:01 PM EDT
I have no problems with race, religon, or beliefs, only that they all must be regarded as "free speach". New.....I've refrained from posting for several months due to the frivilious banter amongst the members, of which I have mistakenly succumb to. This isnt your living room, your diner, or your porn shop, this is the internet, learn to accept it. You people need to curb your quickness on opening your mouths and spewing this useless "garbalia". It only serves to spark amosity towards others and promotes the degradation of the boards purpose. And my last and final statement is: Not one of you would say a word to me when voicing my opinion, which I rarely do. I have many strong feelings on issues at the same time respecting those of others. My only reason for responding is to make aware to you people that you understand its everyones right to voice an opinion, if no one challenges it (this is not the place), it won't become a long drawn out thread of wastefulness like you are reading right now. I'm speaking of race, religon, and creed type issues. You all want the right to keep your guns, but you cant seem to accept ones opinions. Think about it. E
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:33:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BigFukenE: Think about it, dont just jump onto the PC bandwagon guys and gals.
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There is a difference between being PC and being polite. Maybe it's something you learn when you're a child, or maybe when someone slams it in to you. BTW quoting rage against the machine to another member here is not polite, considering past topics centering around that band and their web site.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:40:12 PM EDT
Your speech isn't always free. Isn't nice that we're judging you for the content of your character rather than the color of your skin though? What some call politically correct I call civil.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:44:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BigFukenE: And my last and final statement is:
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I'll bet his promises are as worthless as his opinions.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:45:05 PM EDT
First of all, if you had taken the time to so much as read the lyrics, you would have known you just fell into the same boat. The song is about the majority of the populous that becomes brainwashed from the media, television, and appearent over-observation of whats flaunted to us as "PC". As far as politeness is concerned, I have no qualms with anyone, only that I find there is a haven of individuals that are contradictory and hypocritical. I also respect everyones opinion. I find that lapping up the leg of the moderators, perpetuating an already unsavvy post, and jumping on the bandwagon is discouraging to those looking to have decent and informative and otherwise congenial conversation here. By the way, no one slaps anything into me......(although sometimes I feel need for someone to try, it never happens [sleep] ) Keep perpetuating......its confirming the reason I never post. However, I must say, I have met a plethora of helpful, insightful, and congenial folks here, that are more than willing to help with questions, problems, and issues. For them, high five! As for the rest of you....... Big "E"
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:48:37 PM EDT
Told you so!
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:52:16 PM EDT
The only freedom which counts is the freedom to do what some other people think to be wrong. There is no point in demanding freedom to do that which all will applaud. All the so-called liberties or rights are things which have to be asserted against others who claim that if such things are to be allowed their own rights are infringed or their own liberties threatened. This is always true, even when we speak of the freedom to worship, of the right of free speech or association, or of public assembly. If we are to allow freedoms at all there will constantly be complaints that either the liberty itself or the way in which it is exercised is being abused, and, if it is a genuine freedom, these complaints will often be justified. There is no way of having a free society in which there is not abuse. Abuse is the very hallmark of liberty." -- Quintin H. Hailsham, The Dilemma of Democracy
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And thanks for being the very hallmark of liberty.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 12:55:15 PM EDT
"E" loves big words. troll? snicker!
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 1:09:16 PM EDT
btt, guys. Hey, when's the next group shoot in WI area?
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 1:12:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 2:08:08 PM EDT
I agree with Paul. as far as him being Politically correct, what is politically correct? in order not to seem a liberal, would we have to act rude towards others? I define Polictical correctness as only being insync with majority thought. this is neither a bad thing nor a good thing. it depends. its possible to be both Polictically incorrect and Polictically correct just depending on your location and who you live around. conservative and radical at the same time (Thomas jefferson for example). Maybe im wrong. whats your definition? Freedom is the ability to act without the permission of others. you are free to do so as long as you do not violate the rights of others. the right to life and property. i beleive the primary purpose of law is to protect our rights from infringement. if someone violates another persons right, such as beating them for saying something that they dont agree with. then they should be charged with assault. of course our society is more concerned with Political correctness (bad in this case) that they do not wish to offend certain members of society. im sure i dont need to cite examples of legal and social hypocrasy on this site. our law is based on arbitrary thinking. justice is unfortunately not blind. [:\]lib
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 2:10:10 PM EDT
I think BigE is McUzi, or another banned member. Sounds like a disgruntled member. In any case, RATM are a bunch of socialists who preach hate toward others while practicing capitalism. Bunch of hypocrates (forgive the spelling, spell checking didn't work)
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 2:10:14 PM EDT
I think Paul just became MY favorite moderator.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 2:20:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 4:52:43 PM EDT
Holy shit guys....you havent really read a single word I said, have you only taken them as being spiteful, angry, or disgruntled? I see the string of following posts, and all I can say is that the comments have driven away in entirety from my point...which was only to set forth specific unalienable rights, such as to ones opinion. I'm not racist, hell, if you knew where I lived, and who my neighbors were, you'd know quite the contrary. Sexist, not in the least! Some of the best engineers and architects I have learned from have been female (some hotter than others, hehe). As far as violating someone elses rights with hatred or verbal abuse, I do not condone. I merely believe that in spite of ones opinions, lets never set forth discussion, or conversational standards on what people have to say. Abortion for example.....I would never in my life make or allow abortion to be a decision I would make, let alone condone. Its not in my ways, I have two girls, 7 and 8mos, and its just not an option in my life. But the lady next door, teenager down the block, or streetwhore has every right to do so with her body as she sees fit. Its not my choice to make. As far as rights to opinions not in the best interest of the country or our homeland, I must stand firm that it must not be condoned. I wasn't talking about free speah of hatred towards the government during Vietnam, Normandy, or the Middle East. I wasn't preaching about the rights of these Arabics parading after Sep. 11. For those infractions should be great, for my opinion would be to deport or jail them. Next time you are all reading a post, take the time to understand what was said, not to merely follow the previous persons response. I am new here, not a clone under different names, and I can even go so far as to say I understand your responses, and how my wording or lack of better terms/descriptions could be misconstrued. Its hard to explain in great detail on subjects as complicated and thought provoking as these. My only initial purpose was to state that its not that poor subjective posts are "wrong", its merely a place to exchange tips, experiences, and amicable conversation. And that the forum is not a low-class place to harbor such conduct....not that its necessarily wrong persay, its just a conversation that is past. I hope you all will try to understand my point, and not take it the wrong way, as I know if there were to be actual in-face conversation, that my point would be taken, and understood. Big "E"
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 4:59:10 PM EDT
Nice...
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