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1/24/2007 7:19:27 PM EDT
Why no weight training machines?  All I ever see are the treadmills.


It seems that a soloflex/bowflex is perfectly doable.
1/24/2007 7:23:56 PM EDT
[#1]
i would guess gravity, or a lack thereof, has something to do with it...
1/24/2007 7:25:53 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
i would guess gravity, or a lack thereof, has something to do with it...


look at me  .. im bench pressing 1200 LBS  !
1/24/2007 7:26:08 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Why no weight training machines?  All I ever see are the treadmills.


It seems that a soloflex/bowflex is perfectly doable.


In the past I have seen resistence machines like rowing machines...which would be similar to bowflex.  Obviously nothing as big as bowflex would fit simply because of the room available.

The boneloss from zero g is probably a much greater concern than muscle mass loss.
1/24/2007 7:27:17 PM EDT
[#4]
Because there is almost no weight.  You can't lift something unless gravity is pulling it down.
1/24/2007 7:28:26 PM EDT
[#5]
LOL


so far three responses don't know what a soloflex or a bowflex machine is
1/24/2007 7:29:06 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
i would guess gravity, or a lack thereof, has something to do with it...


look at me  .. im bench pressing 1200 LBS  !


Bench press??....  You Pansey!!  I'm Curling 1200 LBS!!!!

BIGGER_HAMMER
1/24/2007 7:29:07 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Because there is almost no weight.  You can't lift something unless gravity is pulling it down.


we should have read his post closer.  he was talking about resistance machines.

but yes.  no point to weights.
1/24/2007 7:29:45 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
LOL


so far three responses don't know what a soloflex or a bowflex machine is


nah, just a smartass here who doesn't read everything ;)
1/24/2007 7:32:48 PM EDT
[#9]
ok, I found something thru google just now



spaceflight.nasa.gov/station/crew/exp4/intwalz.html


I'd like to try to see if I can get you to help us understand better what life is like, day-to-day, for a member of the space station crew on a long-duration mission. If there's such a thing as a normal day on board a space station, what do you expect it will be like?

Well, it's, you know, we've touched on all the different things that we'll be doing, and so I think things that are constant, that we will see every morning, is we will wake up to the morning mail, and we'll have our daily plan laid out for us, which we will review, and then we will have a telecon with the Mission Control and we will discuss this daily plan, make sure that we understand what the ground wants us to do, and then we'll go forth and execute that. Now, included every day will be exercise, either on the treadmill or on the exercise bike that we have up there, or on the resistance device-it's sort of like a Soloflex in space. But what we found out is the combination of the treadmill, the bike, and this resistance exercise has been very, very good for the crewmembers and the last two crews that have come down have come down in excellent shape. So, planning, exercise, and of course meals-you know, we'll have three meals plus a snack-and then, you know, the work that we do…whether it be operating the arm-and that usually every Thursday will be "arm day"-so we'll be driving the robot arm checking it out; we have PAO activities, I think, Tuesdays and Thursdays as well; so, so we have those things, and, then our science experiments. Some are front-loaded, in the beginning of the mission, some every month. So…but it's that planning conference, exercise, food, and then whatever work comes up.




anyone got more info on this?
1/24/2007 7:39:01 PM EDT
[#10]
Why don't you just ask Jack?



Hey is a star gay-zer after all and is in to "working out" in space and such.
1/24/2007 7:52:20 PM EDT
[#11]
Sex in space.  
1/24/2007 7:52:53 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
LOL


so far three responses don't know what a soloflex or a bowflex machine is


Color me dumb and LOL all over the place.  How is bowflex a WEIGHT training machine???.  Resistance, yes.


But to answer your question, maybe the problem is you can buy these setups for 2 grand or less.  Is that something you think NASA would do?
1/24/2007 8:22:04 PM EDT
[#13]
Actually research on bone decalsification and mineral loss in zero gravity on the ISS is starting to be treated increasingly pharmacologicaly rather then through exercise.

Decades of research on the Russian Salyut and Mir stations, as well as on Sky Lab and the ISS have shown that supplementing calcium intake as well as specific drugs are the best treatment for this problem, but even this isn't really enough. Most of the NASA design refrence missions beyond low Earth orbit employ simple artificial gravity through rotation. For example here is the fire baton concept currently being studied for use a crew transfer vehicle to Mars and the asteroid belt.

1/24/2007 8:26:49 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
ok, I found something thru google just now



spaceflight.nasa.gov/station/crew/exp4/intwalz.html


I'd like to try to see if I can get you to help us understand better what life is like, day-to-day, for a member of the space station crew on a long-duration mission. If there's such a thing as a normal day on board a space station, what do you expect it will be like?

Well, it's, you know, we've touched on all the different things that we'll be doing, and so I think things that are constant, that we will see every morning, is we will wake up to the morning mail, and we'll have our daily plan laid out for us, which we will review, and then we will have a telecon with the Mission Control and we will discuss this daily plan, make sure that we understand what the ground wants us to do, and then we'll go forth and execute that. Now, included every day will be exercise, either on the treadmill or on the exercise bike that we have up there, or on the resistance device-it's sort of like a Soloflex in space. But what we found out is the combination of the treadmill, the bike, and this resistance exercise has been very, very good for the crewmembers and the last two crews that have come down have come down in excellent shape. So, planning, exercise, and of course meals-you know, we'll have three meals plus a snack-and then, you know, the work that we do…whether it be operating the arm-and that usually every Thursday will be "arm day"-so we'll be driving the robot arm checking it out; we have PAO activities, I think, Tuesdays and Thursdays as well; so, so we have those things, and, then our science experiments. Some are front-loaded, in the beginning of the mission, some every month. So…but it's that planning conference, exercise, food, and then whatever work comes up.




anyone got more info on this?


The only info I can think of is, it probably costs 500X more than a bowflex.....
1/25/2007 6:03:38 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Color me dumb and LOL all over the place.  How is bowflex a WEIGHT training machine???.  Resistance, yes.

But to answer your question, maybe the problem is you can buy these setups for 2 grand or less.  Is that something you think NASA would do?



I thought weights provided resistance



and are you saying that the machines are too inexpensive for NASA, unlike, say, a $2k hammer
1/25/2007 6:13:20 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Actually research on bone decalsification and mineral loss in zero gravity on the ISS is starting to be treated increasingly pharmacologicaly rather then through exercise.

Decades of research on the Russian Salyut and Mir stations, as well as on Sky Lab and the ISS have shown that supplementing calcium intake as well as specific drugs are the best treatment for this problem, but even this isn't really enough. Most of the NASA design refrence missions beyond low Earth orbit employ simple artificial gravity through rotation. For example here is the fire baton concept currently being studied for use a crew transfer vehicle to Mars and the asteroid belt.

i106.photobucket.com/albums/m277/PurduesUSAFguy/jsc2004e18862small.jpg


thats cool



fixing things with drugs seems like the wrong approach (the proper diet approach seems more reasonable).

I suppose I equate it with the idea of steroid use: lots of size but no real strength (and weak ligaments/tendons to boot)




this is what I want to see in space :
1/25/2007 6:35:22 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
Why don't you just ask Jack?

pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1290/4535815/14768928/225242014.jpg

Hey is a star gay-zer after all and is in to "working out" in space and such.


Hey that guy kicks ass! he is a coworker of mine, he is old and senile now but he still acts like he is 20. but yeah we all call it star Gay-zer Honestly I think he is batting for the other team.
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