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1/12/2007 8:13:28 PM EDT
The wife is watching the ARMY commercial and the soldier on leave is wearing braids that are hanging from his epaulets on both sides.
What is it for or signify?
1/12/2007 8:17:01 PM EDT
[#1]
What color?
1/12/2007 8:18:51 PM EDT
[#2]
If its blue it means he's in the Infantry.
1/12/2007 8:19:24 PM EDT
[#3]
Infantry wear a blue cord with their dress uniforms, even rarer some units that were decorated by Allied countries in WW1 still are authorized to wear the cords while assigned to the unit that originally received the honors.

Also honor guards wear cords, and Officers assigned as Aides to Generals, etc. also are authorized.
1/12/2007 8:21:10 PM EDT
[#4]
On both sides?  Are they the same color?  
1/12/2007 8:22:14 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
What color?

Brown on one shoulder and Blue on the other.
Did they do anything originally or purely decoration?
1/12/2007 8:23:09 PM EDT
[#6]
fourgiere.  Unit award from Belgium or France.  (probably belgium, the french one is green and red)
1/12/2007 8:24:43 PM EDT
[#7]
Fouraguerres (cords) are for unit awards and are usually from France or Belgium if they're green and red.  A blue cord is the only one that's used to signify a different branch of the Army, as stated before... it's for the infantry.  ETA: I don't know what a brown one is for.
1/12/2007 8:25:54 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
fourgiere.  Unit award from Belgium or France.  (probably belgium, the french one is green and red)


or a German schutzensner (sp?).

But I believe that's white.
1/12/2007 8:32:55 PM EDT
[#9]
schuetzenschneer cord is blue as well.
1/12/2007 8:39:00 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Fouraguerres (cords) are for unit awards and are usually from France or Belgium if they're green and red.  A blue cord is the only one that's used to signify a different branch of the Army, as stated before... it's for the infantry.  ETA: I don't know what a brown one is for.


We have my father in law's WWII army trunk with everything he had. He was in the 17th Airborne and there are some red/maroon shoulder cords along with some light blue ones on his jackets/tunics/coats (?).

You are saying the red/maroon ones were awarded by a foreign contry to the 17th AB?

And if it were an active division today, 17th AB soldiers would be entitled to wear the foreign awards even if they were not WWII veterans?

You just got my curiousity up . . .  thanks.
1/12/2007 8:39:18 PM EDT
[#11]
Blue Infantry cord on the right, French or Belgian Fourrageire on the left.
1/12/2007 8:44:19 PM EDT
[#12]
If it looked brown, its probably one of the Fourrageres.

This site has a pictures of them: www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/CampaignStreamers/Campaign.htm

Either can look brownish from a distance.  They are both red and green, though one has the colors reversed from the other.

Here is an E-Bay site with a Belgian Fourragere for sale, and more pictures: cgi.ebay.com/Belgian-Croix-De-Guerre-Fourragere_W0QQitemZ190020465843QQcmdZViewItem
1/12/2007 8:48:19 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
schuetzenschneer cord is blue as well.


No - it's closer to silver or gray, and is worn on the same side as the blue infantry cord.   She probably saw a commercial with an infantryman wearing the blue cord on the right and a french fourragere on the left that is still worn by those assigned to the 82nd or 101st, both units which earned it during the '44 Normandy invasion.
1/12/2007 8:49:27 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Fouraguerres (cords) are for unit awards and are usually from France or Belgium if they're green and red.  A blue cord is the only one that's used to signify a different branch of the Army, as stated before... it's for the infantry.  ETA: I don't know what a brown one is for.


We have my father in law's WWII army trunk with everything he had. He was in the 17th Airborne and there are some red/maroon shoulder cords along with some light blue ones on his jackets/tunics/coats (?).

You are saying the red/maroon ones were awarded by a foreign contry to the 17th AB?

And if it were an active division today, 17th AB soldiers would be entitled to wear the foreign awards even if they were not WWII veterans?

You just got my curiousity up . . .  thanks.


I don't know about maroon fouraguerres, but yes... if the soldier is currently a member of the unit that it was awarded to, they wear the award.  

Members of the unit that were a part of the unit during the action it was awarded for have it as a permanent part of their uniform.  

Members of the unit who were not part of the unit when it was awarded are not permanently awarded.  As soon as they leave the unit... it comes off the uniform.
1/12/2007 8:50:07 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
If it looked brown, its probably one of the Fourrageres.

This site has a pictures of them: www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/CampaignStreamers/Campaign.htm

Either can look brownish from a distance.  They are both red and green, though one has the oclrse reversed from the other.

Here is an E-Bay site with a Belgian Fourrage for sale, and more pictures: cgi.ebay.com/Belgian-Croix-De-Guerre-Fourragere_W0QQitemZ190020465843QQcmdZViewItem


The Belgian one is exactly what we have. My FIL was at the Bulge, was it for that battle?
1/12/2007 8:51:11 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
schuetzenschneer cord is blue as well.


No - it's closer to silver or gray, and is worn on the same side as the blue infantry cord.   She probably saw a commercial with an infantryman wearing the blue cord on the right and a french fourragere on the left that is still worn by those assigned to the 82nd or 101st, both units which earned it during the '44 Normandy invasion.


The 506th (not part of the 101st anymore) also wears one, as well as several other units... for various different actions.

ETA: and it's Schutzenschnur... trust me.
1/12/2007 8:57:52 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
schuetzenschneer cord is blue as well.


No - it's closer to silver or gray, and is worn on the same side as the blue infantry cord.   She probably saw a commercial with an infantryman wearing the blue cord on the right and a french fourragere on the left that is still worn by those assigned to the 82nd or 101st, both units which earned it during the '44 Normandy invasion.


The 506th (not part of the 101st anymore) also wears one, as well as several other units... for various different actions.

ETA: and it's Schutzenschnur... trust me.


Yea - you got the spelling right.  I earned one in silver back in '93.  As to the fourragere, I couldn't remember which units got those, so I googled it.  
1/12/2007 9:00:52 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If it looked brown, its probably one of the Fourrageres.

This site has a pictures of them: www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/CampaignStreamers/Campaign.htm

Either can look brownish from a distance.  They are both red and green, though one has the oclrse reversed from the other.

Here is an E-Bay site with a Belgian Fourrage for sale, and more pictures: cgi.ebay.com/Belgian-Croix-De-Guerre-Fourragere_W0QQitemZ190020465843QQcmdZViewItem


The Belgian one is exactly what we have. My FIL was at the Bulge, was it for that battle?


I don't know.  The only time I ever wore one it was for action in WWI.

You might be able to find it here www.army.mil/cmh-pg/lineage/LH.htm if you know what unit he served in.
1/12/2007 9:08:52 PM EDT
[#19]
The Schutzensnur (German Qualification Cord) is silver bullion cord with a medallion on the top in three colors, Bronze (Brun), Silver (Silber and Gold (Guld) and is given to soldiers that participate in a German weapons qualification course.

I have the cord in Bronze as part of my militaria collection (I did not qualify with it, so I don;t get to wear it on my dress uniform ).


1/12/2007 9:13:09 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
The Schutzensnur (German Qualification Cord) is silver bullion cord with a medallion on the top in three colors, Bronze (Brun), Silver (Silber and Gold (Guld) and is given to soldiers that participate in a German weapons qualification course.

I have the cord in Bronze as part of my militaria collection (I did not qualify with it, so I don;t get to wear it on my dress uniform ).

www.olarmyjoel.com/images/Shuetzenschnur/silver.JPG



MAJ Johnston isn't looking for that, is he?
1/12/2007 9:16:40 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The Schutzensnur (German Qualification Cord) is silver bullion cord with a medallion on the top in three colors, Bronze (Brun), Silver (Silber and Gold (Guld) and is given to soldiers that participate in a German weapons qualification course.

I have the cord in Bronze as part of my militaria collection (I did not qualify with it, so I don;t get to wear it on my dress uniform ).

www.olarmyjoel.com/images/Shuetzenschnur/silver.JPG



MAJ Johnston isn't looking for that, is he?


Nah! He probably has 5 of them by now.
1/13/2007 5:18:17 AM EDT
[#22]
Reference the French Fourragère.

It is worn as a unit award by personnel assigned to the unit it was awarded to and removed when no longer assigned (unless you were in the unit when it participated in the action for which it was awarded - not when it was awarded).


The Fourragère is a French military award, distinguishing military units as a whole.

History
The Fourragère was instituted by Napoleon I, Emperor of the French, but actually has prior historic significance: after a hasty retreat from battle by a unit of Flemish troops, the Duke of Alva ordered that any further misconduct in that unit be punished by hanging, regardless of rank. Those Flemish troops then wore a cord tied into a hangman's noose on their shoulder going into their next battle, and fought so valiantly that the cord became a mark of distinction.

The fourragère is awarded to all members of military unit which, as a whole, was awarded a mention in dispatches. It should not be confused with unit awards of particular decorations, where the medal itself is hung on the flag of the unit. For example, there are many units wearing the fourragère of the médaille militaire, whereas only six units wore the medal on their flags.

During the First World War, the French Ministry of War awarded the Fourragère to units which distinguished themselves more than once in the orders of the Army. There were then six fourragères, depending on the numbers of mentions in Dispatches awarded to the unit:

two or three mentions :
*fourragère aux couleurs du ruban de la croix de guerre (fourragère in the colours of the ribbon of the War Cross) - green and red for the Croix of WWI and WWII, and light blue and red for the Croix de Guerre Théâtres d'Opérations Extérieurs (Overseas War Cross).
*fourragère aux couleurs du ruban de la médaille militairefour or five mentions : *fourragère aux couleurs du ruban de la médaille militaire (fourragère in the colours of the ribbon of the Military Medal) - yellow and green

six, seven or eight mentions :
* fourragère aux couleurs du ruban de la légion d'honneur (fourragère in the colours of the ribbon of the Legion of Honour) - bright red

nine, ten or eleven mentions :
* fourragère aux couleurs des rubans de la croix de guerre et de la légion d'honneur (fourragère in the colours of the ribbons of the War Cross and the Legion of Honour)

twelve, thirteen or fourteen mentions :
* fourragère aux couleurs des rubans de la médaille militaire et de la légion d'honneur (fourragère in the colours of the ribbons of the Military Medal and the Legion of Honour)

fifteen mentions and above :
* fourragère double aux couleurs du ruban de la légion d'honneur (double fourragère in the colours of the ribbon of the Legion of Honour)

In addition, further distinction awards to units wearing fourragères may be worn as barrel-shaped slides on the fourragère cords, resting on the decorative metal finial tip. These olives indicate the war in which the unit were mentioned : for WWII the olive is green and red, and for an overseas conflict the olive is light blue and red. Some units wear two half-olives because they were mentioned in many conflicts.

During the Second World War, the medal of the Ordre de la Libération was awarded to the flags of 17 military units, whose members now wear a fourragère since June 18, 1996. This fourragère is considered the top unit award in the French military, as the ordre de la Libération award is seen to be more important than any mention in Dispatches.

Certain French military units wear combinations of fourragères. Fourragères used by the French Foreign Legion are:

2e REI (2nd Foreign Legion Infantry) - Croix de Guerre TOE
2e REP (2nd Foreign Legion Paratroops) - Légion d'Honneur
1er REC (1st Foreign Legion Cavalry - Croix de Guerre (WW2); Médaille Militaire
3e REI (3rd Foreign Legion Infantry)- Légion d'Honneur, Médaille Militaire, Croix de Guerre

US Units awarded the fourragère
* During WWI, the 5th S.S.U. was awarded the fourragère aux couleurs du ruban de la médaille militaire.
* During WWII, the 16th, 18th and 26th infantry regiments U.S., the 5th and 7th field artillery battalions U.S., the 1st engineers battalion U.S. and the 1st signal company U.S. were awarded the fourragère aux couleurs du ruban de la médaille militaire.
*T he 5th Marine Regiment and the 6th Marine Regiment of the United States Marine Corps were awarded the Fourragère for having earned the Croix de Guerre with palm leaf twice during World War I.
* U.S. 370th Infantry Regiment (World War I)
* 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions
Both the 82nd ABN DIV and the 101st ABN DIV were awarded the French Fourragere of the Croix de Guerre during the battle of Normandy in June 1944


Many 'low points' personnel not eligable for demobilization yet assgned to the demobilized Airborne Divisions (13th, 17th, and 101st ABN Divisions) in 1945 were reassigned to the 82nd Airborne Division prior to their individual demobilization as the 82nd ABN was the only airbone diivison remaining in the ETO.  Most of the 82nd ABN soldiers in the Victory Parade did not serve in the 82nd ABN during their service in Europe, as the 'old hands' had already demobilized.

Therefore many 13th and 17th ABN veterans recieved Fourragères while assigned to the 82nd Abn, but were not entitled to wear them after as permanent awards.  ETA: the 507th Parachute Infantry Regiment, which was at Normandy assigned to the 82nd, received the French Fourragère.

Next, the Belgian Fourragère and the Dutch Orange Lanyard.
1/13/2007 5:30:59 AM EDT
[#23]
The Belgian fourragére  is awarded as an individual (not unit) to personnel in units mentioned twice in dispatches.  It is an award of the  Belgian Croix de Guerre.


WORLD WAR II: The ribbon is 1 3/8 inches wide and consists of the following stripes: 3/32 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 3/32 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 3/32 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 5/8 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 3/32 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 3/32 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 3/32 inch Scarlet.

3. Background: a. The Belgian Croix de Guerre was established in 1915 to recognize acts of heroism performed by individuals or by units and was awarded for the period 1914-1918. The medal was again authorized with changes indicated above in 1941 for WWII.

       b. During WWI, the Belgian Croix de Guerre was awarded to individuals only. During WWII, it was awarded to U.S. Army units and to individuals. The Croix de Guerre may be awarded at different levels of command. The level of the awarding command determines the appurtenance worn on the ribbon. A bronze palm indicates awarded by the Army; a bronze lion awarded by a regiment; and a gold lion by the land forces.

       c. The Belgian fourragére may be awarded by the Belgian Government if a unit was cited twice in the order of the day. Award of the fourragére is not automatic and requires a specific decree of the Belgian Government. The fourragére is the same colors as the ribbon for the Croix de Guerre. A streamer is displayed on the organizational flag/guidon to indicate award of the Croix de Guerre. The streamer is the same color and pattern as the ribbon for the medal. Army units may display the Croix de Guerre on ceremonial occasions by pinning it on the streamer. In addition, the fourragére may be displayed on the guidon for ceremonial occasions as shown in Chapter 9, Army Regulation (AR) 840-10.

       d. The Belgian Fourragére is authorized for permanent wear only. Personnel temporarily assigned to a unit which was awarded the fourragére may not wear the fourragére.


This award is not worn as a unit award.  Many US units were awarded the Belgian Fourragére and it is listed in offical Army lineages (I couldn't find a list).
1/13/2007 5:40:58 AM EDT
[#24]
The Dutch Orange Lanyard is a unit award of the Order of William.


The Military Order of William is the oldest and highest honour of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The Order's motto is Voor Moed, Beleid en Trouw (For Conspicuous Bravery, Leadership and Loyalty). The chivalry order was established in 1815 by King William I and was presented for feats of bravery on the battlefield and as a meritorious decoration to senior military officers. Comparable with the French Légion d’Honneur but far less awarded, the Order of William is a chivalry order of merit open to everyone regardless of rank and nobility, and not only to Netherlands military but also foreigners. To date the Order is extremely rarely awarded and only for bravery in battle.



The unit version of the Order of William is commonly known as the Orange Lanyard. To be awarded the Orange Lanyard a military unit must distinguish itself in battle to such a degree as would warrant the personal presentation of the Order of William. Only those who served in a unit at the particular time of action are entitled to wear the Orange Lanyard.

The Orange Lanyard is worn as a cord around the right shoulder and can be worn simultaneously with the French or Belgian Fourragère of the Croix de guerre. The Orange Lanyard is considered a permanent decoration and is worn for the duration of a military member's career.

In addition to the Orange Lanyard worn by unit members, the unit's Regimental Colour is decorated with the badge of the 4th Class itself, which hangs from the finial of the pike.

Six elements of the Netherlands armed forces were decorated as a consequence of their actions during the Second World War: the Naval Air Arm of the Royal Netherlands Navy; the Submarine Service of the Royal Netherlands Navy; the Marine Corps of the Royal Netherlands Navy; the Royal Netherlands 'Prinses Irene' Brigade, whose traditions are continued by the 'Prinses Irene' Fusilier Guards Regiment; the Military Air Arm in the Netherlands and the Military Air Arm of the Royal Netherlands Indies Army, whose traditions both are continued by the Royal Netherlands Air Force. Since 1972, the Military Order of William has been part of the colours of the 'Van Heutz' Regiment of the Royal Netherlands Army. This regiment continues the traditions of the Royal Netherlands Indies Army KNIL. Three KNIL units, namely the 7th Field Battalion, the 3rd Field Battalion and the Marechaussee Corps of Aceh and Dependencies were awarded the Order of William in 1849, 1877 and 1930 respectively.

Three foreign military units received the Order of William, the U.S. 82nd Airborne Division for gallantry at Nijmegen, and the Polish 1st Independent Parachute Brigade for gallantry at Arnhem, both during Operation Market Garden in 1944. The 101st Airborne Division is the third foreign military unit awarded the Orange Lanyard for MARKET-GARDEN.
1/13/2007 5:47:15 AM EDT
[#25]
interesting thread, I've always wanted to know about these foreign shoulder cords and which units earned them.  Its amazing what all I've learned on ARFCOM.
1/13/2007 5:49:09 AM EDT
[#26]
6th Marines wear a red red one. Awarded by the French in WWI.
1/13/2007 9:14:38 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
The Belgian fourragére  is awarded as an individual (not unit) to personnel in units mentioned twice in dispatches.  It is an award of the  Belgian Croix de Guerre.


WORLD WAR II: The ribbon is 1 3/8 inches wide and consists of the following stripes: 3/32 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 3/32 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 3/32 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 5/8 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 3/32 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 3/32 inch Scarlet; 1/32 inch Primitive Green; 3/32 inch Scarlet.

3. Background: a. The Belgian Croix de Guerre was established in 1915 to recognize acts of heroism performed by individuals or by units and was awarded for the period 1914-1918. The medal was again authorized with changes indicated above in 1941 for WWII.

       b. During WWI, the Belgian Croix de Guerre was awarded to individuals only. During WWII, it was awarded to U.S. Army units and to individuals. The Croix de Guerre may be awarded at different levels of command. The level of the awarding command determines the appurtenance worn on the ribbon. A bronze palm indicates awarded by the Army; a bronze lion awarded by a regiment; and a gold lion by the land forces.

       c. The Belgian fourragére may be awarded by the Belgian Government if a unit was cited twice in the order of the day. Award of the fourragére is not automatic and requires a specific decree of the Belgian Government. The fourragére is the same colors as the ribbon for the Croix de Guerre. A streamer is displayed on the organizational flag/guidon to indicate award of the Croix de Guerre. The streamer is the same color and pattern as the ribbon for the medal. Army units may display the Croix de Guerre on ceremonial occasions by pinning it on the streamer. In addition, the fourragére may be displayed on the guidon for ceremonial occasions as shown in Chapter 9, Army Regulation (AR) 840-10.

       d. The Belgian Fourragére is authorized for permanent wear only. Personnel temporarily assigned to a unit which was awarded the fourragére may not wear the fourragére.


This award is not worn as a unit award.  Many US units were awarded the Belgian Fourragére and it is listed in offical Army lineages (I couldn't find a list).


Well, this made me curious so I dug up my old cord and - yup, it was the French one from WWI.  Curse my senility!
1/14/2007 9:16:14 AM EDT
[#28]
Mine was French from WWII.  Green and Red.
When they won't fight, they award others who will.
Never claimed to be able to spell German.
I have got the silver and gold liepstistigen (sp?!??!?!??!?!?!?) and can't even pronounce it.