[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Tax Whiners (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 1/3/2007 7:05:22 AM EDT
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Ok, this one (like the gunshow-commando revolutionaries) pisses me off... Now, I'm a conservative and a believer in tax reform & tax cuts - that's not my problem, or the point of this thread... I'm talking about the absolute FUCKNUTS who continue to claim that 'The Income Tax is unconstitutional' or that it is 'destroying our nation' or that 'they don't have to/won't pay'.... Everything we have today is bought and paid for by the damn income tax... Because everything we have today is based on the strength of our economy, and THE STRENGTH OF OUR ECONOMY RESTS ON THE STRENGTH OF THE US GOVERNMENT, SPECIFICALLY THE US MILITARY.... Think about it - our rise to the world's #1 economy parallels our assumption of the top-spot militarily... Which was financed by THE INCOME TAX Without the income tax, we would not have been able to fight and win WWII... Not been able to invent nuclear weapons... To save South Korea, hold the line on Communism in Europe (thru the Marshall Plan, and thru the arms race with the USSR) and not been able to essentially spend the USSR into bankruptcy... Winning the Cold War, saving the Free World and everything we have done since - even your computer systems and a good part of your gun collection owes it's existance to THE INCOME TAX... So quit-yer-bitchin... No one is forcing you to pay, you can always move somewhere else - to some 3rd-world shithole without an income tax... Just don't be surprised if when your international neighbors decide your house is really inside THEIR borders and there's no one to save your ass... Or maybe your wonderful new hosts are too weak militarily (because of their lack of funds) to avoid becoming a terrorist haven, and you find yourself between your ineffective host 'government' and a well-deserved can of American whoop-ass... Or you could just stay here, pay the damn tax, and enjoy the return on your investment - life in a stable first world Republic... |
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And apparently no other type of (equitable and non-punitive) taxation system would allow us to continue to fund the military and/or other necessary programs? I don't have a problem with paying my taxes; I do have a problem with a system that arbitrarily punishes the people who are making life better for us all (you know, those crazy guys who own businesses, create jobs, and provide a payroll), while encouraging the type of citizenship (slackers living in public housing and not even attempting to work while having six children that they don't raise properly) which we should eschew. EDITED FOR CLARITY AND GRAMMAR. |
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The Income tax is indeed constitutional, that doesn't make it right, correct or moral. A progressive income tax is ineffecient and puntative. It punishes hard work and stifles inovation. Taxing consuption is much better than taxing achievement. The strength of our military has nothing to do with income taxes. It is due to a professional all volunteers who have a DESIRE to serve. Our equipment is top of the land because it is produced by through private enterprise with the sole prupose of making money. This is the capitalist way. This is the way we win. |
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Go pull up a federal budget on Google somewhere, take the military chunk, and compare that dollar figure with the amount of tax dollars spent on the rest of their socialism. The IRS IS unconstitutional. Flat tax on everyone, only pay for what is NEEDED and none of this feelgood bullshit. Public education, welfare, SS, etc. |
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Liberal f-tards will always whine that income taxes are the most "progressive" of taxes... (they tax the "excess" income of the wealthy more than the necessity income of the poor). I call bullshit. Plus the idea of "punishing" a person who succeeds through higher taxes sends the wrong message. Along that same line... I put myself through college, largely through academic scholarships (which of course I had to pay income tax on, actually had to get an extra job to pay the taxes on my scholarships). However, by my senior year, since tuition had risen 40% in 4 years, I had to take out some school loans. I graduated with honors and got a good, well paying job right out of school. For my first tax return after college I couldn't deduct the interest on my school loan because my salary exceeded the government's cut off. I guess, in the .gov's eyes, I should have just fucked off, racked up huge debt and got a shit job... or better yet, have several illegitimate kids! The income tax is bullshit, and America kicked ass and took names long before it was instated. |
Definte case of the law not applying to everyone equally |
The real question here is how much taxes (Dave A) pays for him to have the view that he does about taxes. 
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Well, some animals are more equal than others... I was curious though, because i heard that Hitler was the first head of government to institute a graduated tax-bracket. Speed |
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Well, you just obviously make too much money. No one needs to make that much money. Let's have the government decide how much money you should make. Then, they can use that money for good things, like daycare for single mothers. You would just do evil things with it anyway. We will all be better off if you didn't have that money. In fact, we should retroactively take money from your retirement account to help fund social security. There is no reason old people should suffer because of your greed..... |
One thing I have always thought and wondered about was and you guys correct me if I'm wrong. If Hitler would have taken control of the whole world. Killed all the races of people he thought unfit, and the people left were all the same. Same color, same background, same beliefs. Then socialism would work. |
We were a pissant 3rd-world nobody for the first 140 years (thereabouts) before the income tax was implemented... Now, I've said before I AM ALL FOR TAX CUTS/REFORM, THIS THREAD SPECIFICALLY POINTS TO THE DAMN 'TAX PROTESTERS' WHO DON'T WANT TO PAY PERIOD So let's save the 'but it's broke' for another thread - this isn't about it being 'broke' this is about the folks who don't want to pay AT ALL and don't care how bad life would suck if we were relegated to the impotent & irrelevant form we were back in the 1700s/1800s |
Our income tax was in place before there was a Nazi Germany... |
You're not a conservative. No conservative would say "Everything we have today is bought and paid for by the damn income tax..." We are prosperous despite our government, not because of it. |
No, I don't think it would and it hasn't before even amongst our own early settlers or the various communes settled throughout the years. From what I've read, Hitler wasn't really some staunch socialist either...he was definitly more interested in a totaltarian regime (obviously) declaring himself leader and getting rid of elections and all after siezing power...but he added the word "Socialist" into the Nazi party name, because that was the political climate of the time; thats waht he needed to seize power. The fact that he used a number of communist tactics is really no suprise as he was trying to control the masses...what better way to do it then murdering, taking guns, redistributing wealth there by maintaing only people of his "in" crowd could be wealthy enough to influence others...totaltarianism. Really though, I guess it's just comparing apples to apples, I just wouldn't go so far as to say that Hitler or the nazis were true commies...after all, I'm pretty sure more people died as a result of communism in the 20th century than under Hitler's twisted "utopian" dream. Anyways...so, WHO did first implimet the graduated tax bracket/ Anyone know? Speed |
   The killer in our federal budget is mandatory spending: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and debt service. |
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If you were to take the time to study the legal basis of how our tax system works, and research it step by step, you too would have a hard time seeing how income taxation on a private citizen is actually legal. You can't really make a logical connection there. Income taxation is difficult if not actually impossible to logically support within the written framework of the law as it is written. CJ |
We were not on the world's stage mostly due to us being isolated from the rest of the world. |
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AR- I'm guessing we have a "New College" grad here. Lots of "History of Hollywood" and "Feminism in the 1930s." 
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Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about, and everything after this is irrelevant. |
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I want to know how Dave_A gets 15000 posts on a gun board WHILE BEING A TOTAL FREAKING SOCIALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Taxes are not productive, we've not had income taxes longer than we have had taxes. The only thing that the income tax does is lead to a larger and larger federal government so it can consume itself. |
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+1 Oh, and FAIR TAX |
No, Dave is clearly a Federalist. He has posted time and again, the only answer to life's problems are a strong Federal Gov't.
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While I agree with you in fact, you may want to consider a few things which tend to be an antithesis to your statement. Taxes DO pay for a number of things from which we derive a possitive return. Consider the freedoms brought to you, courtesy of our military...funded through taxes. The whole computer era, teflon, digital displays, microchips, and a host of other developments are a direct result of NASA and the space race....funded by taxes. There are numerous other examples of how our taxes are 'spent' which in 'the end result', increase our standard of living in this country. There are an awful lot of jobs that have been created as the fruits of tax funded advances in technologies and science. I agree taxes paid do not carry an investment concept where you directly recieve money back in your account, however the advances in GNP and GDP are directly tied to the R&D performed by the .gov agencies using tax money. Just for edification, about 90% of all taxes collected in this country come from Corporate taxes and not personal income taxes. The income taxes we pay as individuals are a small part of the big picture. |
| They don't hesitate to tax us but won't let us have individually managed Social Security funds. You could take the money being deducted from your paycheck that goes to Social Security, put half in stocks and half in bonds and have a heck of a lot more money in there than what Social Security will pay you when you hit 67, but noooo, the dem dimwit senators put an end to that idea, it was too intelligent. |