[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Fudds v. Tacticools (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 12/8/2006 7:11:29 PM EDT
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Before I pose the question allow me to set this up. Definitions: Fudds are: Game hunters and non-game hunters of all types, including poachers. Tacticools are: Recreational shooters, weekend warriors, the guys who wear military gear to the range and break out with forward rolls to the red line at the end of each cease-fire. *Professionals and trained military are not “Tacticool.” You don’t get to play. Sorry. Weapons and equipment being equal, who would prevail, in a head-to-head, all-out battle? After reading for some time in the Hunting and other various forums I get the feeling that most of the guys here have never consistently killed anything much less engaged live, natural moving targets. Additionally, I wonder how much time the Tacticools spend outdoors navigating wilderness other than the range. For these reasons, I am thinking the much maligned Fudds would have the Tacticools back behind the wood shed for a good old fashioned ass whipping a few days after the conflict began. |
I could realistically be considered part of both groups. Neither group, as a group, are very dangerous. If you want to learn about "Fudds" go to a "sight-in day" at any range a few weeks before deer season opens. Doing so made me very nervous during deer season. As to the others, read some of the firmly-held opinions on how game animals (or non-game vermin) "should" be dealt with by hunters and "country folk" and you will see some bizarrely unrealistic attitudes about death and killing. 
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There is/was a common idea in the military is that they could teach anyone to shoot adequetly, but the instincts of the hunter is something very valuable that is learned from childhood up. Especially true in sniper selection. I am both a hunter and obsessed with tacticool stuff. That being said...Most non-hunter gun guys would get their ass handed to them by hunters in a head to head. Edited to add. Some Fudds can't shoot for squat, but 80% of the ones I know can shoot at or above a tacticool level. |
Buying a deer tag and sitting in a tree stand three days a year doesn't equate to "instincts." |
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the tacticools I have seen usually shoot better and play enough video games to at least understand some level of small unit tactics ,fields of fire and ambush most fudds I know drive out to the field walk 1/2 mile crawl up a tree and wait I don't consider most fudds hardcore hunters the guys that walk in to tthe bush miles and miles and live in a tent for a week while hunting and then pack the shit oput on their backs most of the guys like that I know either own a EBR or do not own a firearm at all and use a bow |
Chalk up one who doesn't actually know any "Fudds."  Edit: Make that two--
Edit II: Now three |
Well most of the hunters or fudds I see at the range can barely hit an 8 inch paper plate at 100 yards.....But on the flip side some of the tacticools never shoot rifles past 50 yards or pistols past 7 yards and heaven forbid you take away the beloved concrete bench and sandbags.... So I would say that neither side would win as long as they stayed out of each others effective range......
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Are you for real? |
You missed my point. My argument is that a "Fudd" is a jackass who who knows little to nothing about shooting, weapon cleaning, firearm safety, hunting ethics, etc. I'm talking about the guys who gut shoot a deer four times from 80 yards because they never bothered to properly zero their rifle or practice with it. The guys who bring the Rem 700 to the gunshop because they can't figure out how to remove the bolt and manage to muzzle sweep every person in the room. I hunt and I know other hunters who aren't Fudds, but I'd say the majority are. |
You have a different more specific definition of a fudd than the originator of this post intended:
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How many deer have you killed? Other animals? |
9 deer, 4 wild hogs, 2 turkeys, dozens of coyotes, countless crows. |
Most avid outdoorsmen I know refuse to shoot at "the range." Too many ass-clowns running around. The hardcore have their own set-ups/spots and avoid crowds - especially armed ones full of complete idiots. I presonally feel very uneasy at a public range, where you have fathers trying to to teach technique and safety to their children, along side Two-pac and Ice-Cube, who show up with a sawed-off and nine - all mixed into one giant distracting cluster-f. |
I grew up in a large, rural county in Western KY with very few people and many, many deer. It's had one of the highest deer harvests in the nation for the last thirty years or so. Most of the local guys who grew up around guns and hunting are true hunters and outdoorsmen. The tourists who flocked there from all over the country to litter, shoot at each other, cut the head off a deer and leave the carcass behind a gas station are mostly "fudds." 
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By comparing your definition of Fudds and the one I listed, my definition of Fudds is overbroad. By Fudd, I meant all hunters generally. |
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Fudds in 5 minutes. The Fudds I know can hit a deer out to about 600 yards with a good rest. That translates into about 800 yards for man-sized targets. Your typical Fudd can also sit still long enough and conceal her/himself well enough to kill a shitload of Tacticools. The Tacticools will be continually adjusting their Aimpoint magnifiers, tweaking their camo makeup and their $300 sunglasses, therefore be in continuous motion making stealth difficult. Fudd will just sit there, really still in a worn out pair of blue jeans and a green T-shirt, and drop 168 grain BTHPs on Tacticools torsos all day long. Fudds are also more blindly loyal and dedicated and therefore would be more willing to die for a cause than would Tacticools, who are more worried about buying the newest gear than they are about going out back to shoot their trusty, beat up 'ol Model 70. |
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Inside 25 yards, Tacticools Over 25 yds or in anything other than bright daylight, Fudds. Your average Fudd would just wait until all the Tacticools clustered around the coke machine. How a tacticool would find a Fudd in the first place is an open question. The only question I have is what would be the average round count expended by the tacticools. After all, these guys buy ammo in case lots, and the only time they go for distance is when they shoot over the berm.
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I will say if you gave either group 5 minutes to gear up From what i have seen dealing with both on a daily basis the tacticaools will show up with a functional rifle and a fair amount of ammunition the Fudds 80% would show up with a bolt action rifle so dirty it will barely function , a bag of 20 or so mismatches cartridges , and half the screws missing out of their Kwik Sight scope mounts that have been clamped down so hard it crushed the tube on the tasco that is mounted in them That said my view may be a bit skewed as i mostly deal with the ones who are having a problem or do not know how to maintain and operate their rifle |
You've never hunted have you? Well never killed any game anyway.. |
I was bit tongue and cheek with the video game comment ,but at some level yes they have a basic understanding of the concepts but probably have less understanding of things like reading terrain , camouflage ,sound discipline etc and yes most the wannabe HSLD types I run into on the range are more likely to shoot from practical positions and are a lot safer than many of the outdoorsy types I have to admit this is a fun topic |
You don't read very well do you?
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That sounds like my range...! |
Duh! That's because in Kali all you can have is a bolt action. Right?
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Your not a fudd, your a tacticool who hunts. A fudd would not know tactics. Fudds say "ban Assault Weapons, you cant nuffin with em" Fudds have "one round every minute" at their ranges So, again I ask, are you really a fudd? |
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<----Waiting for Heavy_6 and the tacticool's to show up. If a "fudd" is a seasoned marksman and fervent weapons enthusiast (which I know most of them to be), probably the "fudd". Just because someone likes bolt guns or bird hunting doesn't mean they can't shoot. The "fudd" knows he only has 1 shot--most of the time. I've seen "tacticools" send enough lead down range to sink a battleship and never hit a thing. No need to alienate another 2A supporter just cause they smell like doe piss.  edit: sp |
Holy shit! You must work at a repair counter! This is where my sole opinion of the majority of gun owners in my area came from. After three years of consistently de-rusting and repairing the same shitty, badly-cared-for rifles in the two weeks before general gun opens for three years running... I don't have a high opinion of the hunting side of things. Nothing like having the repair room fill up with three and four hundred rifles over a two month period, none of which are working now, all of which worked fine when you sent them home last year... And none of which have been cared for at all in the intervening time frame. ...All while listening to the annoying dip-lip drawl from the sales floor about filing down sear pins on them there ARs and, what the hell do you need an AK for anyway? |
 That is pretty funny and probably pretty accurate as well.Depending on your definition of Fudd, you could have different outcomes. Well, the only difference would be how long the conflict would last. The original poster pretty much said that "Fudd" was meant to mean all hunters. If that is the definition, then I am a proud FUDD. In this case, the Fudd's would hand the Tacticools their ass in a week. The reason I say it would take a week is because if we have to deal with all hunters, then us "Fudds" would have to put up with the idiots that have been mentioned in this thread. The guys that brush the dust off their rifle the day before opening day, run to the range, put 2-3 rounds through it to make sure they can still hit something, then go out to the hunting cabin with a couple cases of Milwaukee's Best. I don't consider those guys Fudds. The more common definition of Fudd (and the one that I think is more appropriate) that seems to come up on this site is one of a guy about 50-60 something years of age that has a bolt action rifle and doesn't care for EBRs at all. These guys are benchrest accurate and hunt. They would win in a day. Either way, the tacticools are gonna die. The one thing I can predict with almost 100% certainty is that if we keep promoting this division among us shooters, we will all lose in the end. 
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From my experience dealing with 'Army Fudds'... The fudds are done for before they even start... Keep in mind that most hunters - deer hunters - are essentially target-shooting from a tree... We're not talking about engaging a running target that knows you're there, and is using cover and concealment to close with and kill you... We're talking about an animal that can't see or hear you unless you screw up... Yes, it's moving, but not very fast, and with little concern about getting shot... Further, many 'Fudds' have too much gun for a combat situation... Your 300 super-ultra-double-magnum may be great for beheading deer from 600 yards, but it won't do you much good in a live gunfight (not a sniper fight, where the target can't see you, but a 2-way gunfight)... Most 'Army Fudds' that I know of know nothing about weapons beyond how to point one and pull the trigger, can't shoot shit without a high-mag scope, and have no knowledge of how guns kill.. They tend to blame their shooting problems on the M16 and compare it to whatever deer rifle they own at home.... Note: this is not a comment against hunters in general, but against the 'bottom of the barrel' folks who think that shooting baited deer with a rifle big enough to take down an elephant makes them combat effective, or gives them an insight into killing people with guns... . Now, if we go to the extreme on the other side, the 'tactikewls' being the gun-show-Elite-Army-Walruses, then we have a draw, as niether side will be able to do anything... Think Stormtrropers vs Redshirts... That said, neither the tactikewl guys or the fudds would last a minute against a professionally trained force (excluding members of either group who have professional training)... |