[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Rewrte the Second Amendment (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/28/2006 6:37:37 AM EDT
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You get to go back and lend a helping hand in writing our favorite part of the Bill of Rights. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Write it so that anti-gun folks from then till now can only interpret it on way: US citizen can have and carry guns. Explain your wording if necessary. "Being necessary to the personal security of a free individual, the right of citizens to keep and carry Arms, shall be infringed niether by state or nation foreign or domestic." |
Add something about people attempting to infringe on that right are free game by the infringee and you're golden. 
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" The Militia Clause is the source of all the "collective right" BS, which in turn gives rise to the "hunters don't need ______" and "legitimate sporting purpose" BS. |
+1 - the prefatory wording is completely superfluous. Should be "[T]he right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Say what you mean. |
And make "shall not be infringed" bold and in all caps. |
Problem is the change would have to go though both the house and senate. The result would be a version banning firearms. |
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"The right of the people, both collectively in well regulated militias and individually, to keep and bear Arms, be they sporting, hunting, military or AOW, shall not be infringed...forever and ever, Amen. Those seeking to restrict any rights shall hence be considered enemies of the state and subject to no less than execution or life imprisonment. No part of this right or any inalienable right shall be 'up to interpretation' by a court or lawmaking body. Any attempt to diminish these rights by a court or lawmaking body shall result in the immediate dismissal and imprisonment of said body." I think that about covers it. |
According to the stupid interpritation that gungrabbing Judges use is that "well regulated militia" meant the Army or something, so basically the founding fathers really meant- "in order to have a good army, the Govt shall not deprive the Army of guns"  that is if you belive that crap about "well regulated militia" meaning the national guard or some crap like that. Also it is clear that we awould have to do away with any doubt as to an individuals rights as opposed to "collective right" whatever the hell that means.  T-stox new 2nd amendment - "In order to preserve the individual citizens freedom from Tyranny and invasions both foreign AND domestic, The right of the individual citizen to own firearms that are effective in combating modern military forces shall not be infringed."  PUT THAT in your pipe and smoke it, libtard. |
Hey, if a person thinks they can conceal a .50, I say, “Go for it.” |
I was just thinking about that one before I read your post. Especially ammo. Seems that's what some of the grabbers want to do to get around the protected right for firearms, which is ridiculous but since it isn't written in black and white they can go for it. So definitely something about ammo and other "parts". Maybe a manufacturing clause to allow people to modifiy without any NFA issues... like cutting a barrel or putting in a drop in sear.
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I think you missed the part about going back in time. |
| Because no man is free without the right and means to defend his life, his property, his fellow-man, his country and all things he holds dear, the government shall make no law abridging the right of the citizen to keep and bear whatever arms he (or she) deems necessary. |
That's quite good. The simpler the better. These longer ones are well intended and even represent some detailed thought, but the problem is that opens things to interpretation. |
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The wording "infringed" is also what is causing us headaches. According to the Supreme Court if you are able to own the firearms at all then despite any hoops you have to jump through your rights on being infringed. NICS, waiting period, taxes...ect are all acceptable because they don't prohibit you from owning the firearm. So my 2nd Amendment would read, "The right of the people to keep, bear, carry, and use any type of personal Arms shall not be infringed or regulated in any form." If you notice the Second Amendment doesn't say "Firearms" it is left at the board category of "Arms". That allows the amendment to be adapted to all future arms as well and not just firearms. |
"Being necessary to the personal security of a free individual, the right of citizens to keep and carry Arms, shall be infringed niether by state or nation foreign or domestic and ayone attempting to infringe on these rights is commiting treason therefore they shall be hanged till death." How does that sound. |
| While it's fun to imagine having dictatorial control over a rewrite of the Second Amendment, I truly hope modern politicians never attempt to rewrite our Constitution. They are so philosophically corrupt that the principle of individual rights would not even be addressed, let alone expressly protected. Just look at the abortions that are the constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan. |
Almost perfect. One slight enhancement:
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The arms instead of firearms affords us the right to carry a gun, knife, balloon launcher, mace, phased plasma rifle etc. If we're going for simplicity... Any legal and free citizen [legal as in non-border jumping and free as in not imprisoned] may have any arms [be it guns, knives, etc and any subsequent components that allows for its proper use] of their choosing without state or federal government [just in case the UN or some other global governing entity tries to tread on my rights] interference or prohibition. Translation: Weapons for everybody!!! |
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The right of the individual to own, keep, carry and bear arms and their paraphernalia is absolute, inherent and among the inalienable entitlements bestowed upon Man by his very existence. This article limits the scope of "arms" to mean all weapons or implements which may be carried by hand, not necessarily by the owner. This right shall be subject to no abridgement or infringement, however incremental, unto perpetuity. This right is not subject to forfeiture, except in cases of verifiable mental insanity or the conduct of an unlawful violent act dependent upon arms for its execution. No government body, agent or agency shall pursue the abridgement of this natural right by any means whatsoever, intentional or not, or else responsible parties are to suffer penalties no other than death or life imprisonment. An individual' s use or arms against any other individual who presents a reasonable threat of violence or loss of property shall never be construed to be a crime or evidence of mental insanity, unless against a reasonably identifiable law enforcement officer acting under lawful orders. The use and posession of arms shall not be prohibited in any public place, and shall not be prohibited in any private place unless by both those immediately inhabiting by residence or employment and those in lawful ownership of the premises. This article, once ratified, is not subject to amendment or repeal. These natural rights to arms and defense require no government, constitution, or lack thereof for exercise by the individual and the people. |
| The government shall issue one long arm and one sidearm to every able bodied man and woman upon their turning of the age of 18 and their voluntary acceptance of said arms. The right of the people to keep and bear these arms shall not be infringed. The right of the people to purchase, keep and bear all other arms shall not be infringed. |
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The Constitution is a living and breathing document. Why? Most Americans do not understand proper English grammar and punctuation. In 1778 English, a comma is used to denote separate statements that expand upon a single idea. The writers of Constitution were the elite of educated society. The Constitution was not written for an audience of fools. |
That was my take on it. I've checked on this thread since this morning and could only think to myself "It's fine as is! We just need to quit monkeying with it!" It's the "Constitution-is-a-living-document" whackos we need to convince of what it means... |
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Suggestion that this needs rewriting means I dont like the way its written now. Every stroke of the pen used to write that entire constitution is absolutely, 100% perfect. If they want to read it to suit their own needs, fuck em. We can out-argue them every time. |
+1 Hell, look at the tax code. Look at any law written today. We hold another constitutional convention, and america will die. |
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Playing with the words of the current amendment is a waste of time. It needs to be made crystal clear: No federal or state organization may possess or use any arms not available to the people. The right to unencumbered arms is absolute, and may not be infringed. Attempted infringement is to be considered an act of treason. |
| The undeniable right of the people to keep and bear any and all arms, ammunition, or needed parts and to use these arms in the defense of property, human life, or civil liberties shall not be denied by any government entity, domestic or foreign. Furthermore, the right to defend any living human shall not be punishable by law. |
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The right of the citizen to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. Arms is defined as any weapon up to and including the military standard of the day, furthermore no tax or tariff shall be accessed on weapons or ammunition or prohibition of any kind on ammunition, accessories. Free importation and commerce of arms shall not be infringed. |
john ringo said it well in his sci-fi book road to damascus
i think that sums it up. |