[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bump Fire... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/17/2006 5:13:51 PM EDT
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-nUA52BS3c Very cool video, but how practicle is is? And what kind of issues will come out of doing an AR15 like this? |
I started one about 4 months ago... but to many people who thought Bump firing is stupid chimed in and ruined an interesting subject. |
THIS is the funniest thing I've read here in awhile. I thought that my BRD was bad, but when I start to get "geology humor" I know I'm WAY on the edge of the bell curve, lol. My wife's boss tells me that "establishing a position" contrary to her wishes is like building a house next to a glacier. You can't see it moving, but you KNOW that it will push you into the ravine. Gotta love her. |
Other than the absence of an auto sear, just what is the difference between an "auto AR" and the "NON-auto" variety? I guess those guys with LL's and RDIAS's had better be careful huh!?! 
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Do you really think that the auto sear is the only diff or are you kidding? |
Read the original post. He was referring to STRESS. Other than the bolt carrier etc, why don't you explain to us how "auto AR's" are more robust and can withstand the rigors of rapid/high volume fire better. |
The owners of LLs and RDIASs ARE more careful, and they do burn out barrels faster. However, those that own them can afford barrel replacements. Are you suggesting that full auto doesn't stress the weapon? |
Negative Ghostrider. I have bump fired for many years. And I have many others to do it as well. It is a way to ENJOY your weapon. I also own a registered MG. Pathetic wannabee? Hardly. I got both. Bumpfire God Status and Registered MG owner. TRG |
Control problems? Ever shot an M16? www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCfvDzaPZZg&NR TRG |
If you enjoy it, that's all that matters. I don't see the point, so I don't think it's very cool/smart, but I'm not one of those people who says anyone who does it is a "retard". |
Are you suggesting that "auto-AR" barrels are somehow more resistant to stress?  Read my posts! The guy implied that there was a difference between the two. There isn't! 10,000 rounds fired slow fire, rapid, bumping or automatic "stresses" every component of the weapon exactly the same. The time it takes to fire makes no difference. Bolt heads and barrels will get hotter and may wear more rapidly because of it but are all identical design-wise. There is no such thing as a "Full Auto" barrel or bolt head. |
Actually, full auto fire can increase throat wear by simply buring away the material at a faster rate than a slow fire-then cooldown method. TRG |
No, I'm not. "Read my post", as you say. The point is that a true full-auto weapon can be fired in a much, much more controllable manner, which at least makes firing auto have some point. Bumpfiring is just turning ammo into noise. Either way you're stressing the weapon, although some purpose-built full-auto weapons have features that enable them to stand up better to the stress, such as 4150 steel in the barrel or a different profile (such as M4 vs. M4A1). To go beyond all that, I frankly think full-auto fire from a rifle like this is generally a waste 
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I do enjoy it, but not as much as I enjoy simply rotating my selector. We generally bumpfire down in to a river in West Texas while overlooking it from a bluff. However, I have seen ALOT of bumpfired rounds,, by noobs,, going in to the dirt 5 yards in front of them. It takes practice and control to be safe about it. TRG |
Not me! If I see some GOOFBALL doing that gay shit I'm heading the opposite direction! |
CATEGORY. Why? Because someone disagreed with your assertion? TRG |
Because he's markm
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Seems to be the past time of dirt shooting Jethro-types. If you want to do it for fun, by all means - but don't try to tell me it has a practical use. Some joker actually tried to tell me he would bumpfire mags at groups of looters if the SHTF, so they would think he had an mg.
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You won't put any more wear on your AR15 than firing in semi-auto. It may be kind of cool to do once in a while, but doing it often is retarded and watch for range rules. If your on private party have at it. It's not as fast or reliable as full auto, of course. Most real machine guns can be very accurate and controllable, not so w/ bump-firing. |
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I have to call BS on the all ARs are built the same. They are not. Some ARs are not even built to fire 5.56, so what do you think will happen if you crack-off say twenty 30 round mags using dump fire? I'll tell you want, you will find out which component cant handle the stress thats what. Bushys are great weapons, I love them, I own several. There is no way I will dump fire it over 30rounds (in a carbon 15). Can it handle it...maybe... maybe not. There are some real cheapy weapons out there that will fire flawless for several 1000 rounds under single fire. Auto-firing puts alot of stress on a weapon system. It drives the heat way up, it tests the lubrication and metal, It tests the components under repeated load in a very quick time. Dump firing is NOT the same as having a auto-sear installed. Its a TRICK of the mechanics of the system originaly designed NOT to fire full auto. I never said a true Mil-Spec AR-15 or one that was built far beyond Mil-Spec cant handle the stress. |
This is incorrect. Throat erosion is significantly more evident from auto-firing. Even the small cool-down time in between shots on semi auto does a lot to reduce erosion. There is essentially no cool-down time on auto. |
Heck no! I'll always be proud to disagree with anyone who finds value in bumpfiring. |
Excellent, I thought you were going to puss out on me. I never realized there was a 'value' requirement in gun ownership. You like that 'sporting purpose clause' as well? If someone bought hte weapon, paid for the ammo, and decides to bump the ammo for shits and giggles, who am I to care/complain? It's their money, their gun and their right to do as they wish for thier own amusement. As far as a tactical reason for bump firing? I never claimed to know of such a purpose. howere, I do know that some people value the enjoyment of their weapon, not just how many tiny holes they can punch at 100 yards. FWIW, over the weeknd, I used Mojo's AI in .308 sppressed to shoot at a rock 750 yards away. After I did that, everyone else tried their hand at it. Did we have any 'value' to shooting a rock that far away? Nope, negative. But we damn sure had fun doing it. TRG |
Now you want to kill rocks?  Out here in AZ many shooters like to kill dirt. Some don't even run sights on their builds. We call them DIRT SHOOTERS.They like the sound and feel of the gun, but don't seem to have much concern for getting the bullet to impact anywhere specific. If I shoot dirt, I get pissed. It means I pulled a shot. |
Not true. The only difference between a M-16 and an AR-15 (to get the terminology right) is what piece of metal trips the hammer. One is activated by the auto-sear and the other by the finger activated trigger. Other than that, they are exactly the same. As for the "Value" of bumpfiring, I don't have any strong opinions either way. I am a little concerned though when I read guys on the internet making judgements about the legitimacy of different shooting disciplines. I personally know a lot of old "Duck Hunter" types who damn near call the cops when someone pulls out 10/22 at the range let alone an AR or AK. A while back, I saw some videos of guys demonstrating some pretty impressive bumpfiring from the shoulder. I absolutley couldn't tell the difference and they were putting every bit as much "Hurt" on the targets as someone shooting a M-16. And they weren't just "dump firing" either. We are talking about controlled 3, 10 shot aimed bursts along with full Beta dumps. I never thought much of the "thumb trough the belt loop" method but the shoulder thing impressed the hell out of me. There was one guy in particular who had a bunch but I can't remember the name. |
It says right there on the page where it originally came from three years ago...
Nowhere does it say that there's any value to it. It's just fun. Sometimes if you want to shoot "full-auto", bumping is the only option, either legal or financial. I guess my idea of fun doesn't jive with everyone elses so they have to bitch about it. An yeah, I do own a machine gun. |
I enjoyed the piss out of it, thanks! Waste of time or not...I'm gonna give it a try next time I'm out. I want to enjoy myself. |
  AKs do it better |
bump it from the shoulder to impress me. I have bumped Garands, CETMEs, FALs, AKs, DR200s, M14s... Anyone can bump an AK.  TRG |
You must admit, though, that there's a big difference between bumping and shooting a true M16 as far as controllability. One of the big bumping problems is that inexperienced firers can be very dangerous. |