Posted: 10/15/2006 3:36:13 AM EDT
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I know they carry Sig P229 chambered in .357 SIG, but what model is it specifically ? The P229R/P229R DAK ? SFK9handler |
Out of all the fed guys i've worked with I don't remember any DAO, except for the safe action Glocks. I don't think DOA is a requirement for any of the various agents I have seen at the range. |
I'm a fed, I have a regular 228 Double/Single action. Not 100% but I'm pretty sure theirs are as well. There are a couple floating around here, I'm sure one'll stop bye here soon. |
Stay safe over there. And THANK YOU! |
Get whatever you shoot best. I have a 229RDAK in .40S&W and shoot it pretty well - I like it better than having two very different trigger pull weights (single v. double action) on a pistol. I believe that w/ the newer Sigs, you can switch back and forth between the regular and DAK configurations. |
| A friend I used to work with went Secret Service awhile back, and I helped him move after he graduated their academy and was posted to his first assignment. During one the breaks in box hauling he showed us some of his cool guy gear. It was a SIG 229R with the traditional double action/single action trigger pull. He commented that it was a bit odd learning that trigger pull after having been trained on Glocks at his first LE agency. |
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Why can't these guys choose their own from an approved list. If a guy has been on a glock for 10 years, switching to a Sig would be just plain stupid. As much as I am not a fan of the beretta, I am thinking of going to one full time just because that is what I shoot in the Army. |
Beacuse they like to push one universal gun on everyone. They like uniformity. |
And the fact that SIG's are superior to Glocks in several ways..... |
Noted. Care to indicate why, other than price. The best gun is the one you know best. Other than pissing contests and just plain idiocy, there isn't a lick of difference between a glock, hk, smith and wessen, beretta, sig or even a damn XD other than personal preference. |
+1. |
They sure work well for left handed shooters!! I think I will stay with my far superior GLOCK, you can keep your crappy double/single action pistol that needs a decocker on it. 
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The thing is, when dealing with plain clothes guys, you never know who has how much ammo. I am sure they have a policy on it. Some plainclothes guys (in general) don't carry spare ammo  and some carry 2-3 mags no matter what. The theory is good except one gun does not necessarily fit all.
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SIGs break, Glocks break, As noted there is very little difference as far as general superiority between the major brands. |
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I was semi-joking. I prefer the Sig's ergonomics and have always been able to shoot more accurately with them than with the Glocks. They also don't seem to be subseptible to that "limp wristing" jam condition, perhaps its a design flaw, because while I've only had it happen a couple of times with a Glock 17, I've never had it happen with a Sig or any other pistol I've ever shot. That being said, if you are comfortable with a Glock or a Beretta, and train on them on a regular basis, stick with what you are comfortable with. |
Having a decocker is a big advantage over the Glock. That's one reason that the the NYPD had to go with Glocks having heavier trigger pulls, IIRC. |
And on the other hand, I sold my 229 to go with a 19. But, as I mentioned earlier, I may just buy a personal 92 because I happen to be in a unit that shoots a lot more than my earlier ones and I am starting to really learn the beretta. |
I agree. I have a friend who is extremely accurate with his Glock 17, and in no way consider switching to a Sig (I tried to convert him). Stick with whatever you are accurate and comfortable with |
Neither. Standard P229 Single/double. They suck. My agency re-springs them every 10K rounds. The plastic mag bases are garbage and break frequently. The grip screws, de-cock and slide release lever rust easily. The grip screws come loose on their own. Their 8 oz heavier than most of the polymer framed pistols out there. What is there to like? |
There you have it . 
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| I carried 4 different Sig models for years on a daily basis - but never the P-229. I never had the problems you mentioned with the models I carried. However, I do know that some Sig production runs have had issues in the past. I know that they are a little heavier, but I found that to be a plus in helping me be accurate on successive shots. |
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Rust on a duty weapon is a reflection of the user, not the weapon. If your grips are falling off, mags are breaking, and its too heavy...maybe you should inspect your duty weapon, inspect your mags, and go to the gym. Sigs are fine, not perfect but not bad compared to the competition. |
I cleaned mine every time I shot them, wiped them down inside and out, made sure everything inside had the right amount of oil, etc. |
 I suppose the head engineer at HiPoint firearms knows HiPoint best, but that sure doesn't mean that it's the best gun. Front sights don't tend to break off Sig's like they do on Glocks (done it twice on mine) The backstraps don't tend to bruise the hell out of your thumb knuckle like those on the Glocks do. An analogy: Toyotas and Hondas are notedly a very reliable automobile. However I doubt you could say they are the same thing as an Audi A8 or Mercedes Benz SL500 and only different due to personal preferences. Glocks have a reputation as a fairly reliable firearm, but they are most definitely not the most refined or most ergonomically designed. |
Hmm... Those are some pretty brazen statements to someone you don't know. I'm not referrring to only my duty weapon. I am referring to the multiple issues reported by soft clothes agents in the field. I guess we're all a bunch of over lazy, overweight slobs that don't clean their weapons.  I shouldn't have to put clear nail polish on my weapon to prevent rust from occuring in a day. I shouldn't have to make sure that the Hogue grips I buy are revision three because previous revisions intefere with the ridiculous spring under the Sig grip. We have bags full of baseplates for when they break. We have plenty of screws for when they're lost too. Many of us have 40 to 50k rounds through our weapons and I can understand some failures, but I guess it's the users fault huh?. As a rule, I like Sigs, especially the P220, but I don't think they are the premier weapon they are made out to be. Since the Silly Circus picked them, I guess we should all just run right out and get one. |
That might be model specific issues. I know for a fact that the SEALS carry the P-226 and -may- put more more rounds through them per month during practice than the USSS, and I do not believe that they are having those problems. I know the P-226 is large for most folks to carry concealed, I was just illustrating that one group of people who are very particular about what they carry chose that one out of several contenders as one of their standard pistols - they do prefer to carry a S&W revolver when the mission requires it, where a semi might not the best choice , however. |
As you say, I'm sure there's an SOP on who carries how many of what. I agree that one gun doesn't necessarily fit all, but since when has that stopped anyone from putting out a policy on what's to be issued by a particular agency? |
| Army CID used to carry Sigs too, but I'm not sure if they still do. Like I said, I like Sigs, but not for my purpose. If I were in uniform, I wouldn't have an issue, but when it's IWB for 8-14 hours a day, I'd prefer something lighter, thinner and with less gadgets on the outside. I like Glocks, H&Ks, Walther and a number of other contenders, but none of them are 100% perfect. I do believe that when outfitting a department there are better choices than Sig in the ergonomics department alone. If given a choice I'd probably chose a H&K P7, since I know a 1911 would never be authorized. I also don't recommend buying a firearm based soley on whatever elite unit happens to use them. To each his own. |
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Sort of off topic, but I shoot a Sig 226, Glock 17, 26, 21, 34 and a Beretta 92fs. All of them shoot very well. The Glocks get a faster, more accurate first shot hit than the Sig or Beretta. For followup shots, all of them can shoot tripples or quads very fast and get good hits. The Glock simply gets that first hit faster and it is usually a better hit. Steel plate shooting is done as fast as you can get the hits and I do better with a Glock than the Sig or Beretta. That said, they are all good tools for conflict resolution. |
Me neither - I was addressing the quality problems, not concealed carry suitability. |
The big problem is that most of these policies are put out by people who don't do the job after said policies are vetted by attorneys. BTW, I carry two spare mags in soft clothes. |
My boss is also an Army CID reservist, and according to him they carry Sigs still/also.
Absolutely. I wasn't defending the policies, just stating that attorneys and administrators will attempt to fill any void in the P&P manual whenever they can, regardless of logic or real life applicability on the street. I carry two spare mags in plainclothes as well. |
I would suggest that some uniformity is a good thing in a plainclothes unit like the S.S.--when someone yells "Gun" and you have 5 guys trying to push the President to safety, the one guy that has a Glock (when everyone else has a SIG-Sauer) may get shot by his own guys who see the Glock before they see his face or notice any security pin/earpiece. AFARR |
Although that's an interesting thought, I'd have to say those guys are better trained than just to fire at a weapon. You have to ID the threat before firing. It's also rather interesting that many people that witness shootings have difficulty identifying the gun that was used. A witness could say it was a huge black gun when in reality it was a J-frame sized revolver. Perceptions are sometimes flawed when you inject the pucker factor. |