[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Wolf attack!!! (Page 1 of 6)
Posted: 9/26/2006 7:34:20 AM EDT
Could be a dupe. I was emailed this this morning bya fellow hunter. Kind of scary. I'm not going to post the pictures that came with it. The letter is tough enough to read, with out the gore of what was left of "Blacky".
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So this guy it out f'n with nature, and he's pissed that nature f'ed back? He's training dogs to tree bears for sport, and let's his pack of dogs run wild, quite a distance out of his sight.................... He has a pistol with him, but he goes after a wolf with a stick. Brilliant. I bet the bears he's been f'n with love wolves, now. |
I have to admit that I've got some skepticism about his motives and agenda too. First of all, I find it ironic that we're supposed to feel sympathy for wolves fucking with his dogs WHILE he was having his dogs fuck with a bear.  Second, I wonder how much of his outrage at the wolves is because they are hunting the animals (elk, etc) that HE wants to hunt, and he's just pissed off that he's not allowed to kill the wolves. That makes me wonder of some of his descriptions and warnings are exagerrated and overblopwn, because he might have his own agenda. I have a LOT more sympathy for farmers who lose their livestock than for this guy.  (Still - I don't mean to sound insensitive - for someone who loves his dogs, it must suck to have this kind of thing happen. But, ultimately, if you don't want your dogs to be injusred - don't "let them loose" to chase bears in wolf country, I guess.) |
| The story originally appeared in the Idaho Press-Tribune on 05 JUN 2006. Link |
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Thats a big reason I don't like wolves. |
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I live in Idaho and previously worked as a mountain guide. In my countless hours in the wilderness of Idaho I have seen a total of 3 wolves, all have vacated the area as soon as they saw me. There is a huge push to exterminate the wolves once again by people who are clueless and go along with the other sheep who are of the kill them all mentality when it comes to something they don't understand. Most of these "cry wolf" people for lack of a better term have more than likely never seen a wolf in the wild. This reminds me of a news story a couple of years ago, In idaho we have two bear/cougar hunting seasons when using dogs. One is an actual hunting season and the second is a "training season" where the hunters run the dogs against bears and cougars but can not shoot the animal once it's treed. These two bubbas wind up treeing a very large female cougar during the training season, the cougar jumps down and starts kicking some ass on the dogs. The bubbas claimed they where in fear of their life so they shot the cougar. Ignorant hunters do more harm to game then the wolves do When I have time I'll post up some cools pics. generic |
You are wrong. Go to Yellowstone and see if you see ANY elk. They used to be thick, now they are few. I live 90 miles(east) from Yellowstone. I go 90 miles east to the Big Horns to our cabin. A wolf was shot last summer killing sheep in the Big Horns....so much for staying in Yellowstone. He was running deer in front of our cabin the weekend before he was shot. The wolves are having a heavy impact on the deer and elk populations in WY. |
Of course you do, your from Virginia, you don't have to deal with them, and you probably don't hunt, much less hunt here. |
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I'm fairly close to this guy. I'd say there is some truth and some exageration. Will wolves hunt dogs? You bet your ass they will. Will the defend themselves when people attack them when they're hunting dogs? He sure did. The same is true of coyotes. My brother in-law has a dog trained to hunt the yotes. I'm not a dog guy so I know next to nothing about dogs, but this one goes out (within 22-250 range) and makes a racket, and the coyotes will chase it right back to his truck. He says his dog is faster than the coyotes, and he can only get a shot or two off before they bolt, but they'll come damn near right up to his truck chasing the dog. What would they do to his dog if they caught it? They'd eat it too, just like the wolves. Now, having said that. The wolves do seem to kill for fun. They lit into a sheep heard a few years back and killed 48 of them, and only ate 6. I think the major issue with the wolves is that people are accustomed to them not being around. Now they're here, and people haven't adjusted yet. Now you hear people (non-gun people) talking about the need to carry a firearm when hiking. Most are clueless as they don't know how many people have been killed by black bears, or have run into a badger. A threat has always been there. You hike 2 days into the forest, then run into a badger, sure he doesn't kill you, but if he chews up your leg, you'll have a hell of a hike out. Most people are just waking up to the danger. But as Dennis Miller says... That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. |
I guess none of ya have ever trained dogs for hunting or hunted with them. You have to put thousands of hours of time in with them, him especially being a pro guide, i bet thats his money maker. Each of those dogs the older ones at least are probably worth 5 to ten grand each if they are quality dogs. I don't know the laws out in idaho but in some places when your are running game during non kill season you can't have a gun with you or the game wardens will bust you for poaching. As for him thinking the wolves were gonna attack him i don't know could be possible if they were hungry enough i know ive seen areas where alot of wolves moved into and all of a sudden there werent anymore coyotes or rabbits running around. Where he thinks the wolves are killing all the animals they probably are just scaring them outta the countryside. All in all i think he should just sss the sons a bitches, but thats just me. |
Its a fact! the elk herds are being lost to these wolfs WHO THE .GOV brought in! they are also protected and cannot be killed!.. but as they say in local areas.....the ol' three S's |
Yup, put them in your back yard and see how you like them. |
Y'all are right, I don't hunt. I don't see the need to go out and kill, either for trophies or for meat. But that's just my personal view on the matter. Your view may differ, and I can respect that. I think wolves are cool, and I also think they're a necessary part of the North American ecosystem. Thus I like 'em. |
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First of all, I question the credibility of the account. His motives are too suspect. He seems to KNOW that it is wolves causing the decline in big game populations, but serious researchers on the subject disagree. Most researchers appear to believe that hunting and environmental factors are the leading cause of the elk population declines, and substantially more so than wolf predation. Indeed, bears seems to be having more of an effect on the Yellowstone elk than any other predatory animal. (Just do an internet search and you'll find all sorts of articles and research on it if you don't believe me). It's not hard to figure out that nature will seek a balance over the long haul. Hunters are just pissed that they don't have a forest teaming with elk for an easy hunt. They all want a 350+ elk and don't like to have to work for it. Sour grapes. Of course, they don't want to admit that an overpopulation of elk, or deer, leads to a proliferation of CWD, as well other similiar blights, as well as destroying vegetation and upsetting the natural balance. Typical ignorance (and promotion of their own self-interests) from the backwoods of Idaho, Montana, and WY. |
Nice elitist attitude . If you saw the pictures of his dog, you wouldn't question his "motives". As far as researchers and their credibility....they are the same ones that said there weren't any wolves in Yellowstone....remember? Yup, I'll believe anything they say.
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Bullshit! There are FORTY EIGHT THOUSAND elk in Yellowstone. I was there in June and you couldn't shake a stick without hitting a fucking elk! I don't know what your beef is with wolves, but the fact is, we need more of them in Yellowstone and the surrounding areas. There are way too many elk in that area and they are overgrazing, destroying the fauna in the area. As for the idiot who wrote the article, fuck him. I live in Florida and I will tell you right now that a ten foot gator scares me a hell of a lot more than a wolf, but I live with them and don't fuck with them. If they fuck with me, I'd shoot em. The idiot in the article needs to stop whining. |
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I don't know about the impact of wolves, but I can reassure everyone here that both times my family went camping in Yellowstone the past 4 years we had to practically dodge the elk that were wandering all over the place including right up onto the roads. They were all over the place. I saw tons of bison, elk, several dear, bear, but I never saw a wolf (though I don't doubt that they were around). |
I saw ONE. The Alpha Male of the pack...a good 130lbs. He and the pack had killed a deer and he was the only one brave enough to come out of the woods and eat it with humans around...even though we were over SIX HUNDRED YARDS away from them. |
Ever see a guy reach for a badger by the tail as he was burrowing in? Yeah, my friends aint too smart. But, their good for a laugh now and again. 
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Wolves are stupid animals.....the only reason they survive at all in the United States is because they are protected. They can survive in the arctic and canadian wilderness simply because the territory is so rugged that few humans inhabit it. They will never build a wild population in the U.S. without keeping them on an endangered list or making it illegal to kill them. What I do know about them is they can make life a living hell for a rancher trying to make ends meet raising cattle. Lucky for them there are government trappers to help control them. |
Wow, that is ignorant. I don't have the numbers in front of me here at work but look at the game populations in the early 1900s vs now. Why are there so many more deer and elk now than then? Conservation, thats why, and who started this? Hunters. Conservationist (hunters) set limits on game harvests and started the Pittman-Robertson Act of 1937 to improve habitat among other things. Wolves on the other hand decimate the local game population and move on, or starve. When you do actually see elk in the park, how many calves do you see? That herd is dissappearing fast and the wolves are moving farther and farther from the park fucking up the game populations as they go. I met with a local Game Biologist a month ago, and it seems some of your "researchers" are slowly seeing what hunters already knew. Nature does seek a balance over the long haul. Preditors will kill off most of the game in an area, than some of the preditors will starve, some will move, and the game population will slowly come up (never to current levels)......rinse, repeat, wipe hands on pants. By putting wolves in the picture and leaving thier population unchecked you are taking man out of nature-there simply will not be enough game to go around. You don't hunt, great, but don't tell me I can't or fuck up my hunting area just because you don't like it. I've been hunting for almost 30 years and I've NEVER seen forests teaming with elk, as far as "easy" hunts go, sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't, but they're never really easy. Its hard enough to find public land that isn't teaming with other hunters. Elk populations are monitored by biologist, and kept in check by hunters, so your overpopulation theory doesn't hold up. And when kept in check, what vegetation is destroyed and how is natures balance being upset? Man is part of nature, whether you like to admit and be a part of it or not. Your entitled to your ignorance (and promotion of your own self interest) from your pedistal in Idaho. |
You say the elk population is fine, yet research says otherwise YELLOWSTONE ELK POPULATION DECLINES While wolves may only play a small part in the decline, there is no doubt they have a role. |
The man in FL says that we need more wolves in WY About lime me saying that there a shitload of those excuses for deer that abound in FL we had better import some saltwater crocs to thin them out. I don't have any problem with wolves the don't mess with me or mine and I don't mess with them. What I do have a problem with is people that are not going to be effected by the policy having so much input on the policy.. Was the reintroduction of the wolf a mistake, I don't know... what I do know is that all things want a free lunch and if you introduce preadators they will go for the domestic food first as it is easier, and that if going after domestic food was discouraged (ranchers shooting them) they would go back to eating wild food as the "experts" said they would. If any preadatory creature has a choice between a dog tied on the leash or a small child vs an elk they are going to pick the dog or child |
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Bear running is very popular here where I live. Just to fill in a little gap, dog trainers run bears year round. If they get caught with a gun in their pocession, they are nailed for hunting out of season. The sport is not well thought of here by Wildlife enforcement as I'm pretty certain it isn't there. Wolves were re-introduced here about five years ago to thin the massive deer herds in the National Park. The pack didn't fair well despite plenty of food. The area of the park they were in just had too many people and the natural instinct of the wolves to shy from people actually kept them from the game which almost has zero fear of people now. Over the years of my life, I have more than my share of unfavorable encounters with creatures in nature. Though I enjoyed the story and know the feeling of losing ones dog to nature having had similar experiences, I don't understand the blaming an animal for being an animal. It is this aspect I think that rubs most people the wrong way and leaves one with this feeling he should spend just a tad more time understanding what he chases or shoots and where they live. Tj |
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I live 50 miles as the crow flies from the Yellowstone Ntl. Park ecosystem and do all of my fishing, hiking, and backpacking in its shadow. So the wolf controversy has been in the forefront of my local news since day one. I used to be for the re-introduction of the wolf to our area. I was sick and tired of all the ranchers up here subjecting the rest of us to their preferences. To them, livestock was all that mattered and it seemed as though some would be perfectly happy if there were NO wild animals to speak of. So I supported re-introduction. But all of that has changed. The wolves have been busy procreating and dining on domestic livestock, not to mention game animals. Due to their protected status, they've done very well for themselves. Just like the grizzly bear. There are places in the Yellowstone area, as well as the Glacier Ntl. Park area where bears have become a problem. It's WAY past time to thin their numbers a bit to a "comfortable" level. Hence, the drive to remove these protections from the grizzly at a national level. The same goes for the wolf. I don't have a problem with them existing -- but they ought to be rarely observed and rarely come into contact with humans and livestock outside the national parks where they thrive. As far as I'm concerned, a wolf or bear outside the national park, designated wilderness area, and maybe national forest boundaries ought to be fair game (and this comes from a guy who doesn't hunt). |
+1 <----- Former houndsman! I sure miss my black and tans! |
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Yup, I love the ignorance. Wolves were here before white man showed his face and his strip malls, and the herds were balanced...we kill off the wolf and the herds get a bit bigger. We reintroduce the wolf and the herds balance out again. BTW wolves eat mainly the sick, injured, and slower of the herd. And the young if they can find/catch them. They lean out the herd, and remove the sickly and bad gene'd animals. BUT WOLVES ARE THE DEVIL!! |
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I think it's bullshit, no offense. There hasn't been one documented attack in the USA of a wild wolf.... not one instance of a wolf in the wild attacking a person, not one. Wolves flee people, the only attacks that have occurred are by HYBRIDS. (Wolf and dog mix) Wolves will attack dogs and cattle but not people, they run) As the proud owner of a full Carpathian Wolf, I can tell you they are less aggressive than dogs. They are very shy. If you can put up one attack verified by Fish and Wildlife I will send you a free magazine (30 rd) |