[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Revolution (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/26/2006 6:34:25 PM EDT
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this topic really works with a quote, but i cant remember the words; something like "when in the course of events it becomes apparent that a government has become corrupt, it is the duty of citizens to rise up and overthrow that government - ben franklin (yes, butchered it, forgive me) do y'all think america has the balls to do this "if/when" our government turns bad? |
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Once it gets bad enough, it might start happening with secession of states or groups of states, and if in trying to gather the forces to take back one seceding group of states, another several secede as well, then there might just be the balls for it. Maybe the US would dissolve into states once the states are fed up with the feds, and no violent overthrowal would have to happen. Give it an authority figure and call it a war, and you can do it. |
Too Late!
You go to public school did ye? "When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for a people to advance from that subordination in which they have hitherto remained, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the equal and independent station to which the laws of nature and of nature's god entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the change ......" It's called the Declaration of Independence.  |
Edit: The tyrannical government that people WANT is here. Even if it is tyrannical, by it's nature it cannot exist without people actively supporting it. |
You go to public school? When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. |
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If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are proscribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. - Frederick Douglass |
Mine was a "draft" of Mr Jeffersons. Too bad you don't dig deeper. |
Judging from history the people of the whole world have alot of endurance for abuse at the hands of thier gov't. |
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...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government. The first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence states, “When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which connected them with another...a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation That what you are looking for???? |
I know what it was  I never liked the draught and technically it isnt the Declaration of Independence. Only the signed version is. I personally like the Declaration of Arbroath too:"It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." Written in 1320! |
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Who cares about all that garbage. Who won American Idol last night? Who's left on Survivor? What's Paris Hilton up to? What's up with Lance Bass being gay? OMG! How's the baseball season going? OH BOY NFL DRAFT! Who looks good in the NBA this season? Pity we care more about the above things than we do what is happening in our government. |
Dont forget "Is my beer cold?" |
Bread and Circuses. 
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US schools... Have you ever heard of Outcome Based Education? You don't learn history, english, math, or real science. What you do learn is BS science(Lies about the enviroment), Social Studies(How to be a Dem.), and you can't learn that they pass you on to the next grade. Also You can pass your grade level without being able to read. All under the no child left behind BS. Were seeing a new generation of unemployable sheeple.. 
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The government has turned bad. Been that way for a while. I'm not sure what it wil take as a "triggering event", but it will happen. It isn't a question of "if". For some of the folks I've talked to, they no longer need excuses to toss out our current "democracy", they just need an opportunity. Let's just hope when the smoke clears that we can restore our Constitutional Republic and not end up a Turd World sh*thole like most seem to do. |
| Yes, someday there will be a revolution. However, I doubt it will be for a "restoration" of the nation, for the reasons well stated by a number of earlier posters. Rather, there will be a revolution of parasites when the Nation no longer supports them, whether by removal of "programs" or simply the inability to pay. That bunch will indeed fight for "theirs" (haha). Refer to "lootie" in NOLA. |
I've gotta agree with that, at least in part. Although, being disarmed, stupid, and possibly hungry is no way to be successful at revolution. The French tried it and only stopped when they ran out of energy and people to kill. Right now, I feel like we are at that "you go first"/"no, you go first" stage. |
The Constitution has failed this time, why give it a second chance. "Inasmuch as the Constitution was never signed, nor agreed to, by anybody, as a contract, and therefore never bound anybody, and is now binding upon nobody; and is, moreover, such an one as no people can ever hereafter be expected to consent to, except as they may be forced to do so at the point of the bayonet, it is perhaps of no importance what its true legal meaning, as a contract, is. Nevertheless, the writer thinks it proper to say that, in his opinion, the Constitution is no such instrument as it has generally been assumed to be; but that by false interpretations, and naked usurpations, the government has been made in practice a very widely, and almost wholly, different thing from what the Constitution itself purports to authorize. He has heretofore written much, and could write much more, to prove that such is the truth. But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain --- that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner No Treason |
Anarchy is bad, mmmkay? |
Here, little froggy, let me turn the heat up just a little bit more... |
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Only the truth can set men free, and each individual must seek the truth for himself. DECLARATION OF CAUSES AND NECESSITIES OF TAKING UP ARMS |
I find it highly suspicious that this is your 87th post. Which FBI branch office are you at? |
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We are being jailed one by one for breaking laws made by bureaucracies that they can't even keep straight themselves. And the War on Drugs denies another liberty. And the War on Terror denies another liberty if it saves one life. And face more legislation for the children. And emminet domain, it goes on. |
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There won’t be a revolution because our political process still works. We might not like the results it gives us, but it still works. (I’ve used this argument before, so forgive me if I’m duping myself.) Imagine if 1% of the population really cared about an issue. There are 300 million people in America so that would be 3 million people. But some of those people are housewives, children, invalids, or otherwise incapable of supporting the cause. So, out of that 3 million people imagine that a mere one million are actually capable of actively supporting the cause financially. My cable bill is a little over $80 a month which adds up to about $1,000 a year and I’m poorer than average. So I think it’s safe to set $1,000 a year as a reasonable average that an activist could donate to a cause… That translates into one BILLION dollars a year. In the last election cycle the combined (Dem & Repu) spending for all Federal elections was about two billion and Federal elections are held every two years. That means the hypothetical activist group could outspend everyone in elections. That amount of financial firepower would simply be irresistible. But money isn’t everything in politics. Candidates need volunteers to win elections too… One million volunteers willing to spend a few hours a week supporting a cause would do far more than mere money ever could. Imagine if there were rallies attracting 50,000 people each in twenty major American cities every week. Think of the political impact… Think about how fast politicians would bow to that demonstration of political firepower. And that’s why there won’t be a revolution. An armed revolt against our government would require that more than 1% of the population supported it and the supporters would have to give up everything, not just cable TV. |
Bear in mind that it's a vast minority that effects such change. As a rule, the overwhelming majority prefer the status quo. Most lack confidence in themselves and, therefore, fear the uncertainty that follows change. |
WTF was that? |
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...liberal jellyfish... |
In the US, it would take more than a small minority for a revolt. Those who do not believe in the revolt would defend the nation against it. It would be certain suicide for those revolting. |
| Our greatest enemy is the apathetic American Citizen. It is only by being a slug and sitting on your fat ass instead of voting that we have the current state of affairs. If we only elected true patriots, this would not be an issue. Our success in capitalism has been our downfall in liberty. |