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7/24/2006 4:19:15 AM EDT
Watched the movie last night, I thought it was pretty good.
Anyone here read/know of any good reading on this mission?
I know McNabb wroye a book on it, are there any others that the hive recommends?

7/24/2006 4:28:41 AM EDT
[#1]
'The One That Got Away'… Chris Ryans take on the mission

The best is 'Soldier Five' by Mike Coburn.

McNabb fucked up and his name is mudd in the Brit/Aus/NZ Special Forces community.

ANdy
7/24/2006 4:38:12 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
'The One That Got Away'… Chris Ryans take on the mission

The best is 'Soldier Five' by Mike Coburn.

McNabb fucked up and his name is mudd in the Brit/Aus/NZ Special Forces community.

ANdy



ANdy,

How did he screw up? By not scrubbing the mission when he saw the open terrain? Or by trying to march west to Syria instead of south towards coalition forces?
7/24/2006 4:41:21 AM EDT
[#3]

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How did he screw up?

If nothing else, by running his fucking cockholster after it was all over.

Same reason that Lee Haney isn't exactly Mr. Popularity at Fort Bragg.
7/24/2006 4:50:58 AM EDT
[#4]
They should have grabbed that Iraqi shepard boy and kept him with them until they got out of immediate danger.  

rj
7/24/2006 5:37:36 PM EDT
[#5]
I'd recommend "The Real Bravo Two Zero" by Michael Asher. Asher is a former member of the Regiment who is fluent in Arabic and experienced in the Middle East. He managed to get into Iraq while Hussein was still in power and follow the trail of the B2O patrol, talking to the locals who compromised the patrol, the taxi driver, etc.

The book is quite interesting, and it deconstructs the McNab version in a major way (McNab called it "infuriating"). McNab appears to have fabricated some of the most dramatic moments in his account, like the dramatic firefight at the hide site, and the shootout when the taxi they hijacked stopped at the checkpoint. However, the book is not out to disparage or diminish the bravery of the soldiers or their actual accomplishments.  

I'd also recommend "Eye of the Storm" by Peter Ratcliffe, who was RSM during the Gulf War. He makes some interesting observations on the B20 planning process, and also on Chris Ryan's apparent fabrications in his book "The One That Got Away."
7/24/2006 6:42:27 PM EDT
[#6]
I saw the movie too. And was quite surprised that an elite unit like the SAS would have so much trouble. Like the wrong radios! wouldn't it be common practice to check out your equipment first? Then they landed in the wrong place, the chopper didn't show up at the pickup point. Kind of makes me wonder about our own Special Forces.



7/24/2006 6:48:07 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I saw the movie too. And was quite surprised that an elite unit like the SAS would have so much trouble. Like the wrong radios! wouldn't it be common practice to check out your equipment first? Then they landed in the wrong place, the chopper didn't show up at the pickup point. Kind of makes me wonder about our own Special Forces.




mm, seems to be standard military procedure to FUBAR an important mission
7/24/2006 7:00:47 PM EDT
[#8]
I've noticed one strange thing locally about McNab's books.  I can't find them.  Not at Barnes and Noble and not at some very big used book stores.  Weird in a city of 200,000+.
7/24/2006 7:11:39 PM EDT
[#9]
Thought the book was a good read.
7/24/2006 7:14:44 PM EDT
[#10]
+1 for The One that Got Away.....good reading


If you just want to read about the SAS in Ireland Shoot to Kill is pretty good.  
7/24/2006 7:32:48 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
How did he screw up?

If nothing else, by running his fucking cockholster after it was all over.

Same reason that Lee Eric Haney isn't exactly Mr. Popularity at Fort Bragg.


Fixed it for you.
Didn't know he was an issue at Bragg. He didn't say anything too far out in the book.

pato
7/25/2006 5:06:56 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Fixed it for you.
Didn't know he was an issue at Bragg. He didn't say anything too far out in the book.

pato

Thanks.

Without being all mysterious, I know some people who know some people who robbed some people... Haney is persona non grata at his alma mater.