Posted: 7/10/2006 8:01:41 PM EDT
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Josie, just to let you know if you don't already: Peak_Oil puts threads up like these from time to time, listing all this bull shit jibber jabber that he probably got from a newspaper or some libtard professor somewhere. Anyways, the last thread he did (i can't remember how long of a thread it was, but i do remember it being too long) i kept asking him: "What qulifications do you hold that allow you to come up with such a conclusion" Needless to say, he completely ignored me, and everything that i said throughout the entire thread. Im going to do a little diggin and see if i can't find the thread. if i can, i will IM you the link. I think it got locked anyways. |
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here are some of his threads. He clearly knows how to stir the pot, he is a troll, IMO. nothing more, nothing less. i couldn't find the one that was talking about peak oil, at least the one that i was refering too. i may have been trashed, or older than 3 months or something along those lines. EDIT: whoops, that came out really small. let me see if i can fix it. EDIT: ok i give up. my screenshot/picture fu is week. 
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That's what I like to believe as well! |
There seems to be a disparity there. |
I don't buy that, because we've been hit hard before with Oil "shortages" and price hicks and as soon as the price goes down, Americans stop worrying about alternatives. I do recall reading something in a history book about an artifically created oil shortage in the 70s. Nothing changed after that. Also in the 80s there was a big price hike, nothing changed. What I think will happen is, as soon as prices reachs the high back in the 80s(inflation adjusted) the price of oil is going to drop like we haven't seen in a long time. And then America will say "screw hybird and alternate fuels. There is no more need. Gas is only $1.25/gal and oil is under $40 per barrell" An then in 10 - 20 years we will be screwed again, having forgotten what has happened in the past. |
Well good point... But knowing our economy and lifestyle depends on affordable energy it does concern me! |
Smaller cars, V-6 standard, and fuel injection aren't changes? Heck those three things cut a vehicles gas use in half. They became the norm right after the embargo. |
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The United States peaked in oil production in the early '70's, that much is for sure. Maybe at 10.5 million barrels per day, maybe 11 million barrels per day. The entire planet is scheduled to peak at something like 84 million barrels per day some time between Thanksgiving day 2005 and 2012. There is some debate on the subject. The EIA is spewing bullshit at this point. What the EIA does is forecast demand and then assume that current production will ramp up exponentially forever to meet demand. Their numbers are pure bullshit. I guess it depends on who you trust. I like Matthew Simmons of Simmons and Company International, the largest energy bank in the world, located in Houston. I like Dick Cheney, he's a fairly reliable source. George Bush II, while a total moron, is still right about peak oil production. Ali Samsam Bhaktiari has some interesting things to say. He thinks that we're on the production plateau right now. Chris Skrebowski thinks we have til 2010. It is somewhat interesing to note that Saudi Arabia has been in decline for whatever reason for a couple of years. I couldn't tell you for sure why SA is in decline, maybe it's not geological, maybe it's infrastructure investment shortfall... but they are for sure in decline. There is a fairly good pile of evidence to support the idea that we're at the peak now. This makes the Baby Jesus cry, that's for sure. I certainly hope that is not the case. I hope we're at least three or four years away, but that may prove to be somewhat optimistic. I'm a litte more concerned with Seahorse's comments, which support Duncan's assertion that industrial civilization has a <100 year lifespan, and that we don't have much left to work with. I would wholeheartedly encourage all of you to investigate this thread on www.peakoil.com. Seahorse is a military vet, and I have a copy of the book he wrote regarding military tactics. It's all academic to me as I have not seen any combat time or active military time at all, I did a couple years in ROTC and nothing else. I am not a vet whatsoever. Nevertheless, I like his book and enjoy his writing and correspond with him from time to time. Consider the source and make your own judgements about his input to this discussion. He likes the black rifle, by the way. Anyway. I would very much encourage all of you to investigate this thread, located at this link. He is of the opinion that we will see the crash of industrialization very soon, perhaps as we speak. I find him to be very convincing. Do not trust me as a source of information, check it out for yourselves. Anyway. Please be sure to label me a moonbat and ignore all signs of danger. There is no chance that finite resources will ever run out or decline in availability, we will simply grow forever in this finite world. That is all. |
WOW I went to that link... Makes our survival forum seem like the Optimist Club, Yikes! |
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JW, Take your time going through that thread. It's been running since the end of April, and it's July now. There is a great deal of information in that particular thread. I respect Seahorse's opinions very much. He's a level-headed kind of a guy and considers many things when posting. Jato's graphs are fairly informative as well. It is inevitable that peak oil is correct at some point. It's just a matter of time. Now, six years from now, 24 years from now... what's the difference? I will be alive 24 years from now, how does it not make sense to prepare today? Assuming the transition will happen during my lifetime, doesn't it make sense to examine the alternatives now? |
But still, we relay on OIL! You can only conserve so much and sooner or later you will run out. I think plug-in hybirds are the way to go. For intra-city travel you use nothing but batteries charged by plugging the car into your house. For long trips your Flex fuel engine(gas, e10, e85, or e100) or a disel/bio-disel engine to provide electic power for the car. This technology is here today but no one pushes for it. If there had been a push 10 years ago we'd be on par with Brazil. |
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A shift to electricity based cars causes increased demand for electricity, leads to increased fossil fuel consumption in the power plants. Then what happens??? Electricity based vehicles really don't have the range yet for the American public. Perhaps in a European city where long commutes are seemingly less of a factor, such cars would be practical. |