[ARCHIVED THREAD] - State Police cameras (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/22/2006 5:55:20 PM EDT
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We have been warned. hock.gif All Illinois Drivers Speeding Tickets Beginning in July, 2006 the State of Illinois will use radar designed speed cameras in areas designated as "Work Zones" on major highways. Anyone caught by these devices will be mailed a $375.00 ticket for the FIRST offense, but the SECOND offense will cost $1000.00 and comes with a 90-Day suspension. Drivers will also receive demerit points against their license, which allows insurance companies to raise their rates. This represents the harshest penalty structure yet for a city or state using PHOTO endorsements. The State will begin with TWO camera vans issuing tickets in work zones with speed limits lowered to 45 MPH. Photographs of both the Driver's face and License plate are taken. Pass this on to everyone you know!!!! For more info: http://www.dot.state.il.us/press/r033005.html |
Right, because as we all know, being hit at 45 MPH is survivable but of course anything over that is not. Yes, a 4500 pound SUV will only kill someone at 50 or 55 MPH. That's the stupidest crap I've ever heard. This is nothing but a revenue generator. If you wanted to reduce people's speed in a work zone, why not put up a radar attached to a display screen? That will get people's respect and attention far more than orwellian police state measures (now computers are cops!). Mark my words: this camera nonsense will be expanded all over the interstates soon enough. The ISP will tout how great it worked and expand it everywhere. People doing 75 on an open dry interstate will get $375 tickets so the cops can get more money. Pretty soon every municipality will have one. And then you'll wonder how it is we got to this point. |
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Being new here I do not know if it is possible, or even worthwhile. I will leave that up to all of you. Can this thread be moved to GD? It would be interesting IMHO to hear from members nation wide. Hopefully those who have had experience with these (tickets) and especially LEO viewpoints. |
You are the creator of this thread, so if you want it moved, consider it moved. 
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Patriot If one camera or type of camera is OK. What argument will you use to remove the "traffic camera" that happens to cover your front yard? The possibility for misuse far outweighs ( to me) the promised benefit. (The ACTUAL benefit being automated revenue.) The success of automated ticked writers will surely be at the expense of human ones. And they don't have to come off the street to go to court or collect pensions. Answer me this; Does anyone believe that in a state like IL. it would be possible for a construction zone to be established and automated ticked writers set up JUST to generate revenue. Could that actually happen??? Unnecessary road construction... In Illinois ? The door for this type of abuse is not just ajar. It's wide open. Whole budgets are going to be planned around manufactured violations. Municipal will want in for sure. So what to do about the "traffic camera" that winds up on your street. You can bet that those cameras will be protected by legal code. You sure as hell can't shoot it. That's right, that camera will have a defacto right to watch. And we will have abdicated our right to not be. Cameras....not just for pictures of your girlfriend anymore. JR |
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The belief that cameras can be a cure to human nature (crime recording) and negligence (traffic violations) is misplaced. Like 2nd amendment infringements these tactics should be recognized as eroding overall freedom and resisted. The opportunities for “creep” are too plentiful. The 4th amendment recognizes privacy rights and the 9th leaves the door open for those not mentioned specifically. Once we give implied consent (you know, by taking it laying down) it’s SOP for all applications. I wonder what CAGE could pervert it for. Absolutist arguments like “ If it saves one life…it is worth it” are being extended to appeal to emotions. They are selling the promise of increased safety, which we all know cannot be guaranteed. What they get are money machines and more cameras. Are cameras the right way to save lives on the road? I’m not sure but they have lots of other uses we should worry about. JR |
That makes sense, but personally, when I am forced to drive slower by fear of camera/speed trap, I find my self paying as much attention to the speedometer as the road. |
So, I take it by choosing not to directly answer my question you are withdrawing from our little debate? I understand as a LEO that this is probably a belief that most people start with and has been reinforced since day one at the academy. I would bet that if we took a poll here, your position would win by 4 to 1. I guess using the same logic, that since CCW holders (in free states) are required to meet strict criteria, pass numerous tests and pay multiple fees, that CCW is a priviledge. I still ask anyone that holds the same belief that driving is a priviledge bequeathed to us by government, to back this up with a concise, logical argument. Please also provide an example of another "priviledge" that government bestows upon us. NPD, Are you going to Marksman's gun show/BBQ? |
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Really suprises me that so many of us have a problem with this. There are no perfect answers to the problem and if ISP decided to put cameras up randomly for no reason, I'd fight it tooth and nail. I guess I just hate to see senseless waste of life. If nothing else,people will be aware the cameras are there and perhaps that will make them more aware of the danger of the situation. Now, if you guys wanna get pissed about union construction and road constuction budget corruption, well, now that's another thing. Just kidding  We need to get people to slow down. Unfortunately, money is God to most people. The only way to wake people up is to take money from them. |
You have the priviledge of driving down to the corner and buying gas at the local gas station. Or going into Jewel and buying groceries. This is not a right. On the other hand, Jewel and the gas station owner have the right to ban you from their property. So, mostly, our lives are easy because of priviledges, not because of rights. Your children have the priviledge of staying out after dark until you say it's time to come in. As long as they listen, they maintain that priviledge. When they start misbehaving, they lose priviledges. Now, the Jewel and gas station analogys are indeed priviledges you have with regard to the property owners. You may view it as a right, with regard to the Government, in so much as that Gov't can't tell you where you can and can't shop, and you can do as you wish. (This would technically be considered a right you could articulate as existing under the 9th Amendment, since it is something you can choose to do without interference from the Government). Priviledges are not just granted by the government... they are historically granted by ANY one with the ability to do so. Without going into a two page long essay on rights and priviledges, this is the quickest I can do with 2 minutes of typing. |
The speed itself doesn't put them at risk, it's the fact that the chance of death multiplies when struck by a vehicle that was traveling 65 compared with one that was doing 45. Drivers when forced to drive slower than normal, pay more attention to their surroundings. Try it out sometime and see what I mean. Drive down a street at the speed limit, then drive down it again at half the speed limit. See how much more you see. This is why you'll see me patrolling at night at about 5mph or less through a neighborhood. So I can see more. |
I sure hope not. They'll probably build in a tolerance that would allow for a reasonable, attentive driver to be aware that their speed is over the limit before they'd be cited. Rest assured they won't publicize what, if any, tolerance there is. But, once the news reports start coming in about drivers being ticketed... wait and see how many complain due to a 46/45 ticket and show it to prove it.
Oh, come on Andy. What specific rights are you speaking of? There is not a "right to drive" in the Constitution. Are you really trying to say you feel you should be able to speed through a construction zone? The FOID card, while an inconvenience, MUST be issued to anyone who isn't legally disqualified. Driver's licenses are and always have been discretionary. They CAN issue it but you must pass a test and operate within the laws to keep it. If you do something that would prohibit you from obtaining a FOID, or that would get it revoked... it would have the same effect on your ability to possess firearms if there was no FOID in the first place. The FOID just lets sellers know you're not disqualified from possessing firearms or ammunition. Really. Yelling Fire in a crowded theater? Come on, now you're really reaching here. It's Disorderly conduct at minimum, more likely Reckless conduct for sure because it's definitely criminal to do that. Interestingly enough, it was a CHICAGO theater where that fire actually happened. 575 people died in the Iroquois theater fire. An incident which was the prelude to many current day safety requirements such as outward opening exit doors on buildings. When a panic causes that many deaths, it is entirely correct to charge someone with criminal behavior if they intentionally yelled fire when there was not one. Bad drivers don't get the same consequences of murderers and rapists and it's stupid to try to compare them. It comes down to the fact that the one thing that makes human civilization work - for everyone - is the rule of law. That demonstrates human intelligence and separates us from mere animals. Absent that it would be pure chaos. And then we'd just another animal. |
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(gasp) I actually support these cameras in the work zones. Here's why: My dad works for a subsidiary of a large construction corporation. One of his co-workers was working on I-57 a while back and a flag person who was working with this co-worker was hit by a speeder. Killed. Mother of seven kids. Speeding is one thing, speeding in a work zone is another. Flame away. |
The way I see it thank God the bad guy is doing 5mph over sometimes, or has a burnt out licensed plate light. Know what I mean?
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Andy, we're talking about keeping constuction workers from getting killed by dickheads driving too fast. Even I am behind this one man, come on. |
There ya go. Seven orphans because some ass puppet can't slow the hell down. Let the cameras roll. |
Maybe it was more than seven? Can't remember, my mind is burned out. |
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NPD, I'm not sure where you're coming from on this. I am not addressing the construction zone speed limit in my posts. I am responding to Patriots use of the idiom that driving is a priviledge and not a right. I seek to have someone that believes this clarify the logic behind it being a priviledge. I think my analogy of the "seperation church and state" mantra is a perfect example of something that has been said so often for the last fifty years by ACLU types, knowing that it is not in the Constitution literally or figuratively, yet it is a commonly held belief by many Americans. Oh, come on Andy. What specific rights are you speaking of? There is not a "right to drive" in the Constitution. There is also no right to chat on an internet forum in the Constitution, does that mean I don't have that right either? Go back and read what I wrote. Give me an example of a right that is not restricted. Are you really trying to say you feel you should be able to speed through a construction zone? The FOID card, while an inconvenience, MUST be issued to anyone who isn't legally disqualified. Driver's licenses are and always have been discretionary. They CAN issue it but you must pass a test and operate within the laws to keep it. If you do something that would prohibit you from obtaining a FOID, or that would get it revoked... it would have the same effect on your ability to possess firearms if there was no FOID in the first place. The FOID just lets sellers know you're not disqualified from possessing firearms or ammunition. Really. So where is the difference between the FOID and license? You need to meet requirements to have an FOID age, no criminal record, etc. Yelling Fire in a crowded theater? Come on, now you're really reaching here. I'm not reaching, I'm giving an example of an abridged right, just as all rights are abridged in some manner and to some degree, but they are still not considered privlidges. It's Disorderly conduct at minimum, more likely Reckless conduct for sure because it's definitely criminal to do that. Interestingly enough, it was a CHICAGO theater where that fire actually happened. 575 people died in the Iroquois theater fire. An incident which was the prelude to many current day safety requirements such as outward opening exit doors on buildings. When a panic causes that many deaths, it is entirely correct to charge someone with criminal behavior if they intentionally yelled fire when there was not one. Bad drivers don't get the same consequences of murderers and rapists and it's stupid to try to compare them. It comes down to the fact that the one thing that makes human civilization work - for everyone - is the rule of law. That demonstrates human intelligence and separates us from mere animals. Absent that it would be pure chaos. And then we'd just another animal. Where did I say I favor anarchy? If you go back and READ what I say you'll see that I as a member of society have accepted most of the restrictions placed on my rights. Those I don't accept I will attempt to change via the redredess of grievances/legaslative process enumerated in the C/BoR. Let me try and flesh out your position. What, other than driving, is a priviledge? Remember, I've been a volunteer firemen for a while and I have seen people many people killed in MVAs, mostly young drivers, due to poor/DUI driving. I think all people, not just road construction workers should have equal protection under the law from careless, reckless and drunk drivers. I have also had close calls of my own on 10-50 scenes as I am sure you have, this is not an issue I take lightly. Neither is letting the government turn a right into a "priviledge". The goverment should not be in the business of doling out "priviledges. Don't take this too personal, it's not meant that way! |
| Driving at 65 miles an hour does not put workers at risk. Not paying attention while driving puts them at risk. If I were to pass a worker at 65 miles an hour he would still be alive. If I were to hit him at 45 he would still be dead. This is a typical liberal's attempt to solve a problem by targeting something other than the cause of the problem. They do not need cameras with radar detectors, they need cameras to spot cellphone users, people putting on make up, people looking at places other than the road. Give them the tickets. |
Even though the state statute indicates the Illinois State Police gets the fine money, it goes into the general fund. Then state government decides who gets the money for overtime details. The fine money from overweight citations is also suppose to go to the Illinois State Police; the money actually goes into the general fund. I am certain that the politicians in Springfield are doing the right thing with the money. Don't you think they are?  |
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How did we ever get to the place where driving is a "priviledge, not a right"? Does that mean that anything not envisioned by the framers of the constitution is a previledge and not a right? Is owning/using a cell phone a priviledge? How about owning a two way radio, fax machine, PC, boat, a horse, a unicycle? I just want to hear the logic behind the mantra. It like the famous "seperation of church and state", many people actually believe that phrase is in the constitution/bill of rights. |
I guess what I meant to say is that if you endanger someone elses life while being reckless, then I support the man taking away your driving rights or privledges or whatever you want to call it. That brings up a good point though, I wonder if a constitutional ammendment could get passed granting driving as a right? Sounds like a question for Silascobb
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Gotcha. School zone speeding is also unacceptable. Passing stopped school buses is outrageously unacceptable too. |
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I say let the Vans loose. Just turn them off on Sunday, after all there aren't people working on the roads then. I've been brushed many times out on the roads while patching, or doing dig-ups. It's a bit unnerving to say the least. If you see Yello Lights flashing, and people in bright orange shirts or vest working, SLOW DOWN!! |
My 2 cents on the matter: Imagine a thousand people standing closely together: All of them start screaming at the top of their lungs, whatever the feel like screaming. Right to free speech. Right to peaceably assemble. Nobody gets hurt. Or they all start praying in their own manner - Again, nobody gets hurt. Now put the same thousand on the same road in vehicles. Let them drive however they want. Someone's going to get hurt. Since the elected government/public servants are the ones responsible for building/maintaining the public roadways, the responsibility falls on them to also enact laws to dictate driving behavior. Those that can't play nice with others, don't get to play. That is why driving on the public roadways is a priviledge, not a right. You can drive all day long on private property, though, with or without a license. edit... IMHO, if someone can't adjust their speed for the short portion of the road that's under construction, they deserve that high fine. In fact I think they should get fined that much for every hundred yards they continue over the speed limit in the construction zone. The radar detector would be better if it displayed a number readout telling the driver exactly what the minimum fine is for driving his speed on that portion of road.
Generally, yes. Credibility goes downhill quickly with a judge if you bring in +5 MPH speeders often. However you can imagine there are circumstances where it is warranted. Usually this focuses on either the drivers with an extroverted sense of entitlement; or drivers whose +5 MPH give us the PC to stop the car to investigate the reason why they were just idling for 2 minutes in front of a known crack dealer's house while the passenger went into the house and back out. |
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My 2 cents on the matter: Imagine a thousand people standing closely together: All of them start screaming at the top of their lungs, whatever the feel like screaming. Right to free speech. Right to peaceably assemble. Nobody gets hurt. Or they all start praying in their own manner - Again, nobody gets hurt. Now put the same thousand on the same road in vehicles. Let them drive however they want. Someone's going to get hurt. Since the elected government/public servants are the ones responsible for building/maintaining the public roadways, the responsibility falls on them to also enact laws to dictate driving behavior. Those that can't play nice with others, don't get to play. That is why driving on the public roadways is a priviledge, not a right. You can drive all day long on private property, though, with or without a license. Okay, following your line of reasoning since Illinois places a restriction on our ownwership of firearm's is it a now a "priviledge"? There are restrictions on most behaviors, even those behaviors enumerated in the Constitution/Bill of Rights. Perhap's the most trite example is, everyone together: "You can't yell fire in a crowded theater"  We take away people's right to freedom when they can't "play nice with others" as in rapists and murderers. Does that make freedom a priviledge? You can't gamble in a land based casino in Illinois, does that make the pursuit of happiness a priviledge? I'm not trying to be a smartass or a jerk, but this is more than an issue of semantics. If we get into the mindset of accepting certain rights as priviledges we are on an Orwellian slippery slope. Yes, as reasonable members of a civil society we have agreed to give our elected local, state and federal governments the power to enact laws that place restrictions on all of our rights, including driving. Give me one example of a "right" that has no legal restrictions placed on it. That doesn't mean any of them are a priviledge just because the government has placed restrictions on them. How is driving the only action that falls into this category? Happy motoring! |
| Good. Wherever drivers are going in such a damn hurry is not more important than the life of a man or woman out busting their ass doing very hard work to feed their families. A construction worker getting killed by some joker who can't slow down is a pure senseless waste of life. Driving is a privledge not a right. |
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Just like everything else in this state, they don't fix the REAL problem. If you can't control a car at 55, slowing down to 45 isn't going to make it better. I think with the all the money they get from these fines, they should invest it in driving schools so people can learn to drive correctly. And make it harder to get the privledge to drive. I see too many people afraid of driving that put others at risk. And why you are at it, ban cell phones EVERYWHERE! All I see driving to work everyday is people with a phone next to there head driving under the speed limit and have no idea of what is going on around them. Either learn to do 2 things at the same time or get off the road. I will get off my soap box now before I keep going. -Jeremy |
There was a work construction area in my town for quite a while, about 1 mile of street was being ripped up for new sewer lines. Reg limit 30, dropped it to 20, had all the signs, $375 fine yada yada. Without construction, normal driven speed on this road is 40-45 mph. I don't normally pull over until 50!!!! So a good 20 mph over the limit is when I nab you, seems fair to me. So for the construction zone, we started pulling over at about 33 mph, so 13 mph over. My HIGH through the area was a 57 mph. This really was a dangerous area, it is normally 2 lanes each way with a divided median, it became one lane each way almost head on to each other. Average FINE by the Judge $75!!! That really sent a message  But anyway, if you read state law, the extra fine money would go to the STATE POLICE to pay for their OT on Special Details to enforce Construction Zone speed limits So Suburban Depts. try to keep their area safe, deal with the low manpower they already have to try to enforce safety, and the fines, if the Judge fines them, goes to pay for the State PoPo, now that hardly seems fair. With this being the case, the next time we have a construction zone in my town, I should call up ISP and tell them to send a Trooper to our area...lol.
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Hey K9, do judges get mad at you guys write tickets for like 5mph over the limit? Is there generally a rule of thumb on that one? I admit it, I am a big time speeder but never ever ever in residential areas or construction zones. I have a hard time on the 35 mph country roads, seems like I go more like 50 but whats going to go wrong? I'm going to crash into a cornfield? LOL. |
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Link made hot. The linked article:
And you wondered why they decided to switch to digital Driver's License photos...
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Trust me.. you DO NOT WANT this thread moved to GD. It will turn into a mild shitstorm followed very quickly by account locks. Police threads do not fare well in General Discussion. Edit... if you do move it, Cody... can you take my posts out first? I have neither the desire nor the want to be in another GD cop thread talking about enforcement. mike_kilo... This thread is more than just a discussion on radar cameras... there's some hometown stuff in here that doesn't need to go in GD. If you want to ask in GD, you'd do better to just start a new thread and let them roll with it. Ah... crap.. I just noticed this is in GD now. Hopefully a mod can put it back in HTF where our conversation belongs. My comments weren't meant for a non-IL audience. |
RADAR you say? Seriously though, this is bullshit. I can't count how many "construction zones" I've been through where there is neither hide nor hair of a construction worker, yet the BS speed limit signs are up, or zones where they are sealed behind giant Jersey barriers and in no danger whatsoever. |
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Here's a thought.... Construction workers, keep your backsides on your side of the barrels and I will stay on mine. I was going through a CZ outside Springfield IL a few weeks back. Stupid wench holding the slow down sign was standing a good 5 feet into the travel lane. Her position left me about 6" of shoulder to a dropoff that could have caused loss of control. I made sure she knew my displeasure at her positioning with an air horn notification as I was right by her. There was no reason at all for her to step out that far from the barrels. If she would have gotten hit by some one, that should be on her, not the car. |
You have one thing right, massive unnecessary road work is approved all the time in Illinois (Dickey Daley's little brother is involved in that one). You want to really get pissed at something worthwhile? Get pissed about union labor corruption. When will the time come when we realize and admit how counterproductive labor unions are to the American economy? I would say that the vast majority of road construction in Illinois is a sham. I also agree that Police agencies abuse their power constantly. I will also take it one step further in saying that someone with some REAL authority needs to push the ISP back over the line. They have long been an abusive agency with way too much power and corruption, much like Cook County Sheriff's Police. There is a reason you will NEVER see an episode of Cops filmed with Cook County Sheriffs Police, ISP or many other police agencies in Illinois. Illinois is an island of constitutional violation in many respects, but I am just trying to keep Moms and Dads alive at work. There is a huge problem with a certain generation in Illinois who live north of I-80. They are self-entitles spoiled idiots who have made alot of money for doing very little work. I don't consider "consulting" of any type worthy of a six figure income. These people will never slow down for the low life construction worker. These people spend their days telling everyone the great things they have done, how hard they have worked, blah, blah, blah BS. My biggest problem in traffic consitantly is from 50 something men driving women's cars while wearing pink shirts. These people truely believe the sun rises and sets for them. They are oblivious to anything that doesn't directly concern them, and could care less about anyone elses life. Funny thing though, it's the same generation that is putting the cameras up. It is the same generation that believes they are still young and still have a grasp on reality. When my grandparents were in their 50's they were pushed out of the workforce by the flag burning generation with haste. Now I have to endure 50 something women half naked in the grocery store who think they are young and look good when their bodies should be covered at all times and endless streams of investment fund commercials playing annoying three chord 1960's rock in the background portraying these people as youthful. BS. I don't support police surveilance. Hell I don't support radaring, it should be outlawed everywhere with few exceptions. But this is where we are headed, right smack dab into the nanny state, led like sheep by a bunch of Viagra chewing morons in little cars. I do believe the only way to hurt someone around here though is to take money from them. That's all these people care about. This is why I support the cameras. The real problem is not the cameras, the real problem is the generation running the show. They are Socialist by nature, spoiled, lazy and arrogant. They work half as hard for twice the pay and call the shots. They have us paying $3 a gallon for gas, they are the ones banning American Flags in schools, they are the ones banning Christian displays at Christmas time. They are the Cindy Sheehans and the Michael Moores. They are Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandan, Streisand, John Kerry, the list goes on and on. Look deeper this isn't a camera issue. This is a BABYBOOMER issue. Babyboomers, please try and age gracefully, so far, you are not even close. Understand their is an entire generation of new adults that really don't agree with you or your ideals. Understand that 55-60 yerars old is not young. Realize that commercials with old men playing guitars while leaning up against Volkswagen vans on retirement account commercials looks stupid and is gut wreching to watch. Your time is over, move aside and as Dr. Evil said....."zip it." Disclaimer: Patriot 73 Corporation understands not all Babyboomers are Socialist, war protesting traitors and that nearly 60k gave their life for our cause in Vietnam. To those men, I am grateful. Too bad that Vietnam vets aren't running the government or corporations. Too bad the rock throwers and flag burners are the ones at the healm of the controls. Happy Flaming
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Here's another thought. This ain't Tennesse Cuz. I would advise you not have that attitude in the Chicago area while driving. As Trace Adkins likes to say "You'll get hurt boy."
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Heck, here we already have "construction zones" that are years old and every time I go through them seem to consist of nothing more that the odd cone or barrel off of the shoulder. |
amen patriot...couldn't have said it better myself....and when you speak of ppl north of I-80 why does naperville asshats come to mind??? lol my g/f lives in plainfield...i live south of champaign....two completely different worlds....i know i know plainfield and naperville are damn near one city but she lives in a working class family hehe....so she's not the stereotypical suburbia dumbass...and if she was i'd shoot myself...well actually i just wouldn't date her i'm all for the cam's...seriously most of the people that speed through these things are out of staters or the chicago crowd....so nail and throw the book at'em with everything they got....the only ppl who have a problem with these cameras are the ppl who speed through the construction zones. i do not believe any rights have been infringed with these cameras and so now when you guys are in a hurry and speeding and receive a ticket in the mail from the Secretary we won't have to listen to you on here bitching about some "a hole cop pulled me over, which caused me to be late for work yada yada yada" lol |
| Illinois SERIOUSLY abuses the work zone speeding enforcement. In Southern IL on I24 and I57 there will be "work zone" signs and cops clocking traffic for WEEKS with no workers present. This is not only the definition of manufacturing speeding tickets, it also "cries wolf" and makes the real work sites less noticeable. |
You have the privilege of religion, speech, press, and assembly unless someone thinks it discriminates against them. The privilege to redress grievances with the government was suspended many years ago. You have the privilege to bear some restricted firearms in some of the states. This privilege will be revoked incrementally until it is gone over the next few years. You have the privilege of not housing troops, unless it is an emergency. You have the privilege of privacy, unless the government doesn't want you to have privacy. Every type of search has been ruled reasonable, or is in the process of being ruled reasonable, so that privilege was given up years ago. You have the privilege of double jeopardy, unless the government can figure out a way around it. You have to incriminate yourself if the government orders you to or if it is classified as "evidence. You had the privilege of due process, jury trials, and no cruel and unusual punishment until the government decides to call you a "terrorist" or "the boogeyman", then you don't have those privileges anymore. |
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If the state is really concerned about slowing people down and keeping workers safe in a work zone then they can station a real police officer there to issue tickets. How many $375 tickets would it take to pay for an officer anyway? I have seen news articles about some states dress up police officers like construction workers and having them use a laser gun to clock vehicles and then calling in speeders over a radio. If safety and slowing people down was really Illinois concern they would have marked cars clocking people. That way everyone would see the cars, know they are being watched, most would slow down, and the idiots would get ticketed. But we all know revenue is the real reason behind the photo radar. Put a real officer there and I don't have a problem with it. I grew up in Illinois and I'm glad I left. One thing I noticed about states like Kentucky is we don't have police cars hiding behind every bush or bridge just waiting to issue someone tickets like Illinois does. When I was going to college in Detroit and driving to my parents in Illinois my trip would go something like this, during 4 hours of driving through Michigan I would see on average 2 cops laying in wait, through 1 hour of Indiana I wouldn't see any,during the whole 2 hour drive through Illinois to my parents I would see anywhere from 6 to 10. |
Is that even an issue when 99% of the "work zones" have no workers? They're just signs put-up and left for years that the police use as an excuse to make more money. I probably drove through a dozen "work zones" this morning, and I didn't see a single worker. It's been six weeks since I can remember seeing a construction worker.z |