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6/21/2006 10:59:21 PM EDT
Does anyone else here have it?  It is driving me flipping crazy!!!  My leg(s) will literally jump right off the bed.  Sometimes it will start as soon as I go to bed, other times (like tonight) it will wake me up.  When I am posting in the middle of the night like this, it is because I am waiting for meds to kick in.  Usually I am hovering on the edge of anemia, and I know that when my iron is low, it gets worse.  I take iron on a daily basis, with a double dose during times when my iron is more likely to drop.  (Right now it shouldn't be low, but someone made an anemia reference in my bruise thread earlier today...)

Right now I take Permax, which is used to control tremors in Parkinson's patients.  I took it for almost 3 years with no problem, but back in January started having problems in the morning (being light-headed, feeling faint and/or nauseated,) especially if I didn't have at least 8 hrs to sleep.  I have now cut back to 1/2 a pill, which makes it better in the morning, but takes longer to calm my legs.  Right now I am on vacation, so I can take it in the middle of the night if the legs wake me up, as I can just sleep in.  When I have to get up to go to work, I don't feel like I can take it after 10:30, which means that some nights I am pacing the house in tears because I just want to sleep so badly and I can't be still.  I don't like taking meds every night before bed "just in case" it kicks in, but on a school night, I would have to go to bed by 2100 to make sure I had ample time to take meds if needed.

Sorry for the long post, but I am going out of my mind with this!!!!  Does anyone else here have it?  How do you manage it? What meds are you on?  Any diet suggestions?  Arfcom docs, any words of wisdom?  (I am starting with a new doctor here in Texas next month, so I don't have the benefit of a GP that has been seeing me for years...)
6/21/2006 11:01:20 PM EDT
[#1]
I'm sorry you're having a rough go M_M.  I hope you get to the bottom of it.  Patty
6/21/2006 11:07:30 PM EDT
[#2]
I find that I'm almost always kind of tapping my foot, is that the same as having a restless leg?
6/21/2006 11:16:10 PM EDT
[#3]
Although I have no experience dealing with RLS myself, my dad does have some experience.  From what I know, his most recent treatment method involved quinine.  How much this would help someone with what sounds like might be a more extreme case, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure he experienced some success with this method.

As far as getting some quinine, I don't know of any prescription/pill forms, but it is present in schweppes tonic water (http://www.schweppesus.com).  Hope that helps a bit.
6/21/2006 11:17:08 PM EDT
[#4]
No , but i have the whole leg goes numb and twitches thing .
6/21/2006 11:19:15 PM EDT
[#5]
I don't have anything remotely close to RLS.

But when it's 2am and I'm still feeling "peppy" a 30 minute workout cures that.

Can't do the heavy bag (too loud at night) but after a few minutes of triple kick combos and such my legs don't keep me awake all night.
6/21/2006 11:19:56 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I find that I'm almost always kind of tapping my foot, is that the same as having a restless leg?




I do that also---------------------I just figgered it was natural rhythm...
6/21/2006 11:20:38 PM EDT
[#7]
Unfortunately, activity like that just seems to stimuate them.
6/21/2006 11:22:05 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Unfortunately, activity like that just seems to stimuate them.



Can't fatigue them out? Damn.
6/21/2006 11:22:41 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Unfortunately, activity like that just seems to stimuate them.



do you have the constant tapping or something else?
6/21/2006 11:23:19 PM EDT
[#10]
My dad has it really bad (he's 82). He takes that new drug Requip, which he says just puts him to sleep. Now it's so bad his entire body jumps. It's like he has static electricity in his nerves.
6/21/2006 11:25:47 PM EDT
[#11]
I've heard that stretching helps, but have no first hand knowledge.

I'm sorry M_M.  Hope you get some sleep soon.
6/21/2006 11:26:41 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
My dad has it really bad (he's 82). He takes that new drug Requip, which he says just puts him to sleep. Now it's so bad his entire body jumps. It's like he has static electricity in his nerves.



That's exactly  what I'm talking about!!!!!

Aaarrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
6/21/2006 11:28:42 PM EDT
[#13]
I have no experience with RLS.  OTOH, my wife has plenty of experience with my RLS - at least according to her.

Brian
6/21/2006 11:31:55 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
I have no experience with RLS.  OTOH, my wife has plenty of experience with my RLS - at least according to her.

Brian


Mine will cause the whole bed to jump sometimes.  
6/21/2006 11:33:20 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have no experience with RLS.  OTOH, my wife has plenty of experience with my RLS - at least according to her.

Brian


Mine will cause the whole bed to jump sometimes.  



you might want to consult a priest
6/21/2006 11:34:39 PM EDT
[#16]

Sleep disorders
Main article: Sleep disorder
Disorders of sleep are broadly classified into three groups. Dyssomnias are characterized by difficulty getting to sleep, as in primary insomnia, narcolepsy, and restless legs syndrome. Obstructive sleep apnea, a condition that is being diagnosed with increased frequency, may be classified either as a dyssomnia or as an example of a parasomnia. The latter conditions involve bothersome awakenings during sleep, and also include bruxism and sleepwalking. The third group includes sleep disorders resulting from a number of psychiatric problems, such as bipolar disorder, depression, or schizophrenia.

Many sleep disorders result from errors in synchronization of sleep with the body clock. Other sleep problems are organic and cannot be resolved with chronotherapy. One often effective solution to some kinds of insomnia involves free-running sleep. Free-running sleep entails ignoring alarm clocks and schedules in order to sleep when, and only when, tired. Free-running sleep can resolve the majority of synchronization-dependent sleep disorders, but is difficult to sustain due to the resulting loss of synchronization of sleep with the outside world (including the day-night cycle).


6/21/2006 11:35:35 PM EDT
[#17]
IM Sent
6/21/2006 11:46:13 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
IM Sent


Thanks!
6/21/2006 11:46:33 PM EDT
[#19]
For some reason, I'm compelled to ask -- are artificial sweeteners are in your life?  I finally swore them off.
A friend who has this owes me a call -- I'll ask.  I know he was really frustrated by it, like you. If cardio stuff stimulates & you don't get anything from stretching, just maybe some resistance type exercise would help, or a long walk earlier in the evening.  Hang in there!
6/21/2006 11:48:53 PM EDT
[#20]
If I drink a soda, it will almost always be diet, but I don't always drink them.  Today, for example, I did not, and I am in hell tonight.
6/21/2006 11:51:55 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have no experience with RLS.  OTOH, my wife has plenty of experience with my RLS - at least according to her.

Brian


Mine will cause the whole bed to jump sometimes.  



Some amount of that is normal. A lot of people suddenly jump just as they're about to fall asleep. You know, when you're in that twilight zone between consciousness and unconsciousness. They usually get one jump, and that is it. But with RLS, the jumps continue through the night. My dad is having a horrible time getting a full night's sleep, and I'm getting worried about him because when he's awake, he can't think straight. When he can't think straight, he might forget his medicine or he might stumble and break a hip. Last time he fell, he broke his back.

That RLS is really weird. I didn't even know it existed until recently.
6/22/2006 12:22:03 AM EDT
[#22]
Would one day make a difference?  I don't know how much time it takes for the body to rid itself of the Nutra-sweet type stuff.  Maybe 3 weeks without diet stuff, caffeine, and MSG.  This seems to be a mysterious and maddening condition.  I wish you the best.  

ETA:  Soothing music, perhaps massage?
6/22/2006 12:26:50 AM EDT
[#23]
my wife says i rub my feet together all night.  i'll catch myself doing it as i drift off to sleep and i can make it stop.  but after i do fall asleep i guess i'll rub my feet.
i'm not sure if this would be the same type of thing?  i hope it doesn't become a problem.

i tried to tell her that she should rub them all night for me, but that isn't happening.
6/23/2006 12:22:30 AM EDT
[#24]
uffff  At it again tonight...

6/23/2006 12:56:34 AM EDT
[#25]
A couple of web sites talked about putting a bar of soap in the bed by your feet.
6/23/2006 1:00:22 AM EDT
[#26]
I've got something similar but mine is caused by nerve damage from being diabetic for 25+ years.  I take Lyrica and/or Neurontin for it, helps quite a bit.  Sometimes I will take an over the counter med called LegatrinPM.  Says it "Relieves lower body pain and helps you get a good night's sleep.  Seems to work.