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6/16/2006 12:53:48 PM EDT
somebody make this link hot.  finally the sci fi shit of my youth is coming true.

JIM

http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392807
6/16/2006 12:55:17 PM EDT
[#1]
link is hot
6/16/2006 12:56:49 PM EDT
[#2]
You are not regist...fuck it.

6/16/2006 12:57:17 PM EDT
[#3]
That's pretty cool.
6/16/2006 12:57:24 PM EDT
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You are not regist...fuck it.




? didn't have to register.
hold on I'll copy/paste

Full copy below:


Liquid Armor
  06.15.06

Flexible full-body protection that could save our troops' lives and limbs is at the top of the list for many researchers and technology companies. One such product could soon make its way to Iraq. As this ScienCentral News video explains, the secret ingredient is a liquid that could turn lightweight material into full-body armor.

Full Liquid Jacket

The current war in Iraq is leaving behind a legacy of wounded soldiers. For every fatality there have been between seven or eight injured -- a number amounting to 18,356 as of June 11, 2006 (U.S. Department of Defense). That's a higher ratio of injured to dead than in any previous American war, a mixed blessing that can largely be attributed to advances in body armor and improved battlefield medical treatment.

A new "liquid armor" could be the solution for protecting the parts of the body that aren't currently covered by standard-issue ballistic vests – arms and legs, where many of these devastating and life-threatening injuries occur. Co-developed by two research teams – one led by Norman Wagner at the University of Delaware, and the other led by Eric Wetzel at the U.S. Army Research Lab in Aberdeen, MD – the liquid technology will soon lead to light, flexible full-body armor.


The liquid - called shear thickening fluid is actually a mixture of hard nanoparticles and nonevaporating liquid. It flows normally under low-energy conditions, but when agitated or hit with an impact it stiffens and behaves like a solid. This temporary stiffening occurs less than a millisecond after impact, and is caused by the nanoparticles forming tiny clusters inside the fluid. "The particles jam up forming a log jam structure that prevents things from penetrating through them," Wagner explains.

Wagner and Wetzel developed a way to specially treat ballistic fabrics, such as Kevlar, with the liquid, making them dramatically more resistant to puncture and much better at reducing blunt trauma.

"We integrate those materials with the fabric itself, imbibe it in a way, such that the shear thickening fluid is not at all evident, it's not a coating on the outside. It's actually intercalated directly into the material," says Wagner.

The stiffening of the liquid allows the energy of an impact to be distributed over a much larger surface area – so the force, rather than being focused on the area of a bullet head, is distributed over the area of the surrounding fabric. Ballistic tests have demonstrated that the treatment can actually prevent bullets from penetrating.

The treated Kevlar is even better at resisting puncture from sharp projectiles, such as knife stabs or shrapnel from roadside bombs. As Wagner explains, Kevlar was never designed to function against puncture.


"Bullet proof vests and Kevlar are not very good against stab threats like puncture that you might see in correctional prison guards or from fragmentation threats on the battlefield," he says.

The treatment of the fabric prevents the fibers from spreading apart or "windowing," which keeps sharp objects from entering. That means that not only would materials treated with shear thickening fluids be better against conventional threats such as bullets, but would also resist puncture from shrapnel. The materials would also remain light – only 20 percent heavier after treatment - and flexible, which means they could be used for much-needed protection of the limbs.

"We can make thin layers of material for use on the arms and legs that remain flexible under normal motion, but become rigid and absorb energy when impacted by a ballistic threat or a knife," Wagner says.

U.S. manufacturer Armor Holdings recently licensed the technology and plans to release its first products by the end of the year.

Wagner says there could also be many civilian applications – like protecting people during car crashes, or making tires sturdier.

Some of Wagner's recent work was published in the May/June 2005 issue of the Journal of Rheology and was featured in the May 2006 issue of Scientific American. For a complete list of publications see Dr. Wagner's website. Some of the funding sources included IFPRI and the Army Research Laboratory CMT program through the Center for Composite Materials of the University of Delaware as well as the NASA Delaware Space Grant College and Fellowship Program.

6/16/2006 1:00:51 PM EDT
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Thank you for doing that macman...I meant the video.
6/16/2006 1:02:58 PM EDT
[#6]
If this stuff comes through, this will be utter scfi.
6/16/2006 1:04:48 PM EDT
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Thank you for doing that macman...I meant the video.



Ah. I never bother with the video!
6/16/2006 1:29:02 PM EDT
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You are not regist...fuck it.




www.sciencentral.com/news/image_db/2024693/NNM3022_LiquidArmor_MSTR.mov

You're welcome
6/16/2006 1:31:25 PM EDT
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www.sciencentral.com/news/image_db/2024693/NNM3022_LiquidArmor_MSTR.mov

You're welcome



AWESOME!  Thank you!

Cool armour, too.

6/16/2006 1:32:12 PM EDT
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www.sciencentral.com/news/image_db/2024693/NNM3022_LiquidArmor_MSTR.mov

You're welcome



Dude, thank you.
6/16/2006 1:37:00 PM EDT
[#11]
Thats a pellet in that video, not a bullet.
6/16/2006 1:46:39 PM EDT
[#12]
The Army uses a NATO standardized pellet to test the shrapnel resistance of vests, since shrapnel is usually blunt on the tip rather than pointed like FMJ bullets.  

Wagner (UDel prof mentioned in artile and the dude with the goatee on the video) was one of my professors. Two of my friends in undergrad did their research and undergrad thesis papers on that project, very cool stuff.

Kharn
6/16/2006 2:00:00 PM EDT
[#13]
still have the blunt trauma but better than nothing.

6/16/2006 2:28:40 PM EDT
[#14]
If they are smart they'll send one to Old Painless for review and recommendations.
6/16/2006 2:38:30 PM EDT
[#15]
looks like its time to buy stock in that company, i cant imagine how rich they could make me if the US military eventually picked up a contract for their product.
6/16/2006 2:39:42 PM EDT
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid
6/16/2006 2:47:13 PM EDT
[#17]
How does this technology compare against carbon nano-tubes?

ETA:  And can it defeat rifle rounds?
6/16/2006 2:49:51 PM EDT
[#18]
sounds like the same thing corstarch does only tougher, pretty cool.
6/16/2006 3:10:14 PM EDT
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How does this technology compare against carbon nano-tunes?

ETA:  And can it defeat rifle rounds?




Liquid Armor would be used to upgrade all clothe materials, even carbon nantubes.

Basicly futur armor would consist of Kevlar/Carbon nanotube clothe with Liquid armor "plates".

Think of the plates like those gel ice packs.  Just a plastic bag filled with a liquid.

You could make BDU's out of a small amount of kevlar/carbon nanotubes then impregnate them with liquid armor.

Cool shit.
6/16/2006 3:11:34 PM EDT
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isnt that the stuff in a "Stretch Armstrong"?
6/16/2006 3:21:39 PM EDT
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How does this technology compare against carbon nano-tunes?



Is that the new Carbon Nano-Tune ipod?

Sounds cool, though.  Anyone read the Ringworld series and remember Louis Wu's "impact suit"?
Normal fabric that becomes armor under impact.

ETA:  Speelling.
6/16/2006 3:28:25 PM EDT
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How does this technology compare against carbon nano-tunes?



Is that the new Carbon Nano-Tune ipod?

Sunds cool, though.  Anyone read the Ringworld series and remember Lous Wu's "impact suit"?
Normal fabric that becomes armor under impact.



Bastard.
6/16/2006 3:34:26 PM EDT
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The slow blade penetrates the armor. (from Dune)
And with this in mind, what does happen when a knife is slowly pushed into the armor?
6/16/2006 3:36:44 PM EDT
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PO8 I bet it would penetrade.  it would have to be SHARP!!!!!
6/16/2006 3:39:52 PM EDT
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The slow blade penetrates the armor. (from Dune)
And with this in mind, what does happen when a knife is slowly pushed into the armor?



I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Seems to me that in modern warfare, if you have a rifle and someone kills you with a slow knife stab, you've done something seriously wrong.
6/16/2006 3:43:52 PM EDT
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Hi tech "corn starch in water"






Excellent





Aerostich has a similar foam padding in their motorcycle riding suits that stiffens under impact.
6/16/2006 3:44:16 PM EDT
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still have the blunt trauma but better than nothing.



More like better than anything that is currently available. Sounds like a great advancement to me.



And with this in mind, what does happen when a knife is slowly pushed into the armor?



What happens when you push a knife slowly against Kevlar? If it's an icepick, I'd imagine it would slide between the weave. If it's a wide-bladed knife, I'd think it would take quite a lot of force to make it go through.
6/16/2006 3:45:19 PM EDT
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid



good info
6/16/2006 4:12:49 PM EDT
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The slow blade penetrates the armor. (from Dune)
And with this in mind, what does happen when a knife is slowly pushed into the armor?



I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Seems to me that in modern warfare, if you have a rifle and someone kills you with a slow knife stab, you've done something seriously wrong.





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And with this in mind, what does happen when a knife is slowly pushed into the armor?



What happens when you push a knife slowly against Kevlar? If it's an icepick, I'd imagine it would slide between the weave. If it's a wide-bladed knife, I'd think it would take quite a lot of force to make it go through.




Well, that's what you have the carbon nano-tube reinforcement for; a relatively low-velocity knife thrust may defeat the STF but not the Kevlar/carbon nano-tube garment.

Besides, as DocBrooks pointed out, the argument of a slow knife thrust is unrealistic at best.
6/16/2006 5:00:42 PM EDT
[#30]
Sooooooo...

Could you apply this to your....

Nevermind
6/16/2006 6:13:12 PM EDT
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Sooooooo...

Could you apply this to your....

Nevermind



...jump boots?
6/16/2006 6:31:50 PM EDT
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The slow blade penetrates the armor. (from Dune)
And with this in mind, what does happen when a knife is slowly pushed into the armor?



I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Seems to me that in modern warfare, if you have a rifle and someone kills you with a slow knife stab, you've done something seriously wrong.



It means it won't protect the troops from backstabbing politicians.
6/16/2006 6:42:00 PM EDT
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What happens when you push a knife slowly against Kevlar? If it's an icepick, I'd imagine it would slide between the weave. If it's a wide-bladed knife, I'd think it would take quite a lot of force to make it go through.

Well, that's what you have the carbon nano-tube reinforcement for; a relatively low-velocity knife thrust may defeat the STF but not the Kevlar/carbon nano-tube garment.

Besides, as DocBrooks pointed out, the argument of a slow knife thrust is unrealistic at best.

Most Kevlar vests these days is stab-resistant, only the early ones were not.

But when in the STF lab, we played around in the lab by placing the kevlar over a block of clay and slamming sharpened (the STF dulled them quickly, they had to be sharpened before each test) icepicks into it.  Normal kevlar (non-stab resistant, to make the results more dramatic) would let the pick through easily, but non-stab resistant kevlar treated with STF would throw the icepick out of your hands and barely put a dent in the clay underneath.

Kharn
6/16/2006 6:44:15 PM EDT
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The slow blade penetrates the armor. (from Dune)
And with this in mind, what does happen when a knife is slowly pushed into the armor?



I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Seems to me that in modern warfare, if you have a rifle and someone kills you with a slow knife stab, you've done something seriously wrong.



It means it won't protect the troops from backstabbing politicians.



...wait a minute, that's not funny .
6/16/2006 7:36:45 PM EDT
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still have the blunt trauma but better than nothing.




The threats of blunt trauma is overexaggerated.  Richard Davis of Second Chance Vests shoots himself quite frequently in the course of his demonstrations.  But, like jimlostt said, better than nothing.  Still, it's a mite bit short of the Star Trek force field.  
6/16/2006 7:48:43 PM EDT
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But when in the STF lab, we played around in the lab by placing the kevlar over a block of clay and slamming sharpened (the STF dulled them quickly, they had to be sharpened before each test) icepicks into it.  Normal kevlar (non-stab resistant, to make the results more dramatic) would let the pick through easily, but non-stab resistant kevlar treated with STF would throw the icepick out of your hands and barely put a dent in the clay underneath.

Kharn



Wait, you've actually worked with this material yourself? That's very impressive. Any idea how difficult it is to produce (which should be some indicator of how expensive it'll be)?
6/16/2006 7:52:50 PM EDT
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well, that is pretty damned nifty
6/16/2006 8:04:19 PM EDT
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What happens when you push a knife slowly against Kevlar? If it's an icepick, I'd imagine it would slide between the weave. If it's a wide-bladed knife, I'd think it would take quite a lot of force to make it go through.

Well, that's what you have the carbon nano-tube reinforcement for; a relatively low-velocity knife thrust may defeat the STF but not the Kevlar/carbon nano-tube garment.

Besides, as DocBrooks pointed out, the argument of a slow knife thrust is unrealistic at best.

Most Kevlar vests these days is stab-resistant, only the early ones were not.

But when in the STF lab, we played around in the lab by placing the kevlar over a block of clay and slamming sharpened (the STF dulled them quickly, they had to be sharpened before each test) icepicks into it.  Normal kevlar (non-stab resistant, to make the results more dramatic) would let the pick through easily, but non-stab resistant kevlar treated with STF would throw the icepick out of your hands and barely put a dent in the clay underneath.

Kharn




"We can make thin layers of material for use on the arms and legs that remain flexible under normal motion, but become rigid and absorb energy when impacted by a ballistic threat or a knife," Wagner says.


sounds like he has the knife attack covered.

6/16/2006 8:10:12 PM EDT
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bump for nightcrew
6/16/2006 8:12:06 PM EDT
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Hurry Up!!!
6/16/2006 8:17:11 PM EDT
[#41]
This ought to make a mighty fine condom.
6/16/2006 8:19:11 PM EDT
[#42]
Nice, Ill take a few gallons.
6/16/2006 8:24:01 PM EDT
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How does this technology compare against carbon nano-tunes?



Is that the new Carbon Nano-Tune ipod?

Sounds cool, though.  Anyone read the Ringworld series and remember Louis Wu's "impact suit"?
Normal fabric that becomes armor under impact.

ETA:  Speelling.



Yup. His impact armor stiffened and became hard as metal under high kinetic impact. It was so efficient that instead of a helmet he just wore a hood of the impact armor over his head. Like Cobra Commander, only bullet-proof.

Larry Niven's Known Space stories have a lot of tech we're just starting to develop. Flashlight lasers that are used for super-intense illumination (and can be focused as an improvised weapon), impact armor, flight belts, autodocs, etc.
6/16/2006 8:24:41 PM EDT
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Nice, Ill take a few gallons.



Yeah, I'm waiting for New and Improved Tide, with Armor!
6/16/2006 9:46:12 PM EDT
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6/16/2006 9:51:29 PM EDT
[#46]
About time they came up with something to protect the extremidities. By far with my expierence playing paintball they are the most often hit
6/16/2006 9:57:54 PM EDT
[#47]
Where do I invest at?
6/17/2006 4:57:30 AM EDT
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But when in the STF lab, we played around in the lab by placing the kevlar over a block of clay and slamming sharpened (the STF dulled them quickly, they had to be sharpened before each test) icepicks into it.  Normal kevlar (non-stab resistant, to make the results more dramatic) would let the pick through easily, but non-stab resistant kevlar treated with STF would throw the icepick out of your hands and barely put a dent in the clay underneath.
Kharn

Wait, you've actually worked with this material yourself? That's very impressive. Any idea how difficult it is to produce (which should be some indicator of how expensive it'll be)?

I played around with it, but I didnt do significant research on it. From what I remember my friends (the ones that wrote their thesis papers on it) telling me, the stuff was basically just absorbed into the Kevlar mesh, like a towel picking up water. I dont know how hard the STF itself is to produce.

Kharn
6/17/2006 7:13:26 AM EDT
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On a car show (discovery HD) yesterday they had a compound that they are using for shock absorbers. It is the same stuff only they are able to "stiffen" it with a magnetic field. Turn on the field and it turns as hard as steel, turn it off and its like water. Totally amazing stuff and pricey....$1100 per gallon.
6/17/2006 7:52:55 AM EDT
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On a car show (discovery HD) yesterday they had a compound that they are using for shock absorbers. It is the same stuff only they are able to "stiffen" it with a magnetic field. Turn on the field and it turns as hard as steel, turn it off and its like water. Totally amazing stuff and pricey....$1100 per gallon.



That is metal particles suspended in a fluid. A magnetic field changes the viscosity. Been around for a while.
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