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6/13/2006 9:16:11 PM EDT
Is the Citizen's Eco-Drive technology comparable to Seiko's Automatic/Kinetic?

These are two I am looking at; www.ewatches.com/Citizen/BL8000-54L.html#

www.ewatches.com/Seiko/SKX781.html
6/13/2006 9:18:33 PM EDT
[#1]
I can't bring myself to suggest either of those over the other.

The Seiko's hands and numbering on the bezel irritate me.

The Citizen is just too convoluted with "stuff."

6/13/2006 9:20:38 PM EDT
[#2]
Right now I am more intrested in which operating system will out last me.
6/13/2006 9:24:19 PM EDT
[#3]
I recently bought a $400 Casio that had an altimiter, a barometer, and an electronic compass.  When you held it up to your face to read the time, it would sense the ambient light and it might light itself up with indiglo for two seconds if it was dark out.

Unfortunately, it didn't have a second hand, so I sent it back.

Then I bought a $20 S&W watch that had a luminescent hour/min hand setup and a second hand I could see in low light.  That's all I really needed, so that's all I spent.
6/13/2006 9:26:10 PM EDT
[#4]
I've had a Seiko Automatic for about 2yrs, love it.

6/13/2006 9:28:38 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
I recently bought a $400 Casio that had an altimiter, a barometer, and an electronic compass.  When you held it up to your face to read the time, it would sense the ambient light and it might light itself up with indiglo for two seconds if it was dark out.

Unfortunately, it didn't have a second hand, so I sent it back.

Then I bought a $20 S&W watch that had a luminescent hour/min hand setup and a second hand I could see in low light.  That's all I really needed, so that's all I spent.




Will it outlast you?
6/13/2006 9:30:42 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I've had a Seiko Automatic for about 2yrs, love it.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/mleaky/DSC01353.jpg



Nice watch, what did it set you back?
6/13/2006 9:32:03 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I've had a Seiko Automatic for about 2yrs, love it.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/mleaky/DSC01353.jpg




Nice watch, not sure if it's just the picture, but it kinda reminds me of those phones with the huge buttons.
6/13/2006 9:32:34 PM EDT
[#8]
Tissot T-touch titanium
6/13/2006 9:33:23 PM EDT
[#9]
I got a nice Citizen Eco but almost never wear it.  It's too heavy.  I ended up with a Luminox and it's nice and lite and even though the band seems cheap it's one of the most comfortable I've ever had.  Plus of course it's nuclear powered (but does require battery replacement occasionally).

You're welcome to check out my Citizen if you want.
6/13/2006 9:34:54 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I've had a Seiko Automatic for about 2yrs, love it.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/mleaky/DSC01353.jpg



Nice watch, what did it set you back?



About $450, it was a limited edition. I guess there were only 2500 made.

It really isn't that big of a watch, I have skinny wrists.
6/13/2006 9:37:04 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Tissot T-touch titanium



Does it need battries?
6/13/2006 9:39:01 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
I got a nice Citizen Eco but almost never wear it.  It's too heavy.  I ended up with a Luminox and it's nice and lite and even though the band seems cheap it's one of the most comfortable I've ever had.  Plus of course it's nuclear powered (but does require battery replacement occasionally).

You're welcome to check out my Citizen if you want.



That I would like very much! Now I just need to get some time to do it. My next day off from all three jobs will be July 4, only because the hospital will not let me work.
6/13/2006 9:41:35 PM EDT
[#13]
jsandfort, are you guys planning a B and B late next week? I have not seen anything about it in the hometown forum. I couldn't make the last one because of the wife.
6/13/2006 10:07:55 PM EDT
[#14]
JLFSH
6/14/2006 12:55:22 AM EDT
[#15]
I like Movado.  My Movado is 6+ years old.  I kept my eye on prices and got it for sale at the Bon Marche for $150.   It has been beat up and banged around, but is still ticking.  Gotta love Swiss engineering!!

Personally I don't like a lot of gadgets on my watch.  My cell phone has all the gadgets I need; the watch is only for looks.

If I were to get one from the website you provided, I would go with one of the Hamilton “tanks”.
6/14/2006 1:34:03 AM EDT
[#16]
I went KISS with my watch.

Bought a Marathon TSAR a month ago or so.

Expensive? Yes (only set ya back about $425 or so for a new one)

But its tough, durable, and very simple and you can read the hands no matter what.

Chris
6/14/2006 2:13:25 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
I went KISS with my watch.

Bought a Marathon TSAR a month ago or so.

Expensive? Yes (only set ya back about $425 or so for a new one)

But its tough, durable, and very simple and you can read the hands no matter what.

Chriswww.broadarrow.net/tsar1_small.jpg



+1
I sure wish I could afford one!


ETA: www.countycomm.com has this one for $375 for Father's Day!
6/14/2006 3:08:15 AM EDT
[#18]
The seiko you are looking at is a automatic mechanical movement. It's nicknamed the "Monster" or "Orange Monster" depending on the face color.   Unlike the Kinetic, it will stop running after a day or two if you stop wearing it.  The Kinetic is kind of a cross between a quartz and automatic movement, in that it has a rotor in it that generates electricity and charges a capacitor inside the watch.  The Monster is a well made watch, it will last for years, and does not require a battery, but does require servicing every 5 years of so (oiling and cleaning). It also wont be as accurate as the Kinetic, but then that's not the purpose in owning a automatic watch.

ETA; Here's a Kinetic Diver www.princetonwatches.com/shop/SMY089.asp
6/14/2006 6:34:36 AM EDT
[#19]
Thanks for all of the replies. BTT for some more.
6/14/2006 6:39:25 AM EDT
[#20]
Look here for some reasonable prices:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/browse/browse.asp?c=113&k=watch

I really like this watch:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=227160

Though this one seems a very good value:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=262362


efxguy
6/14/2006 6:39:34 AM EDT
[#21]
I have a Seiko but it is not the Kinetic series so I cannot comment on the quality (or lack thereof) of that mechanism.

I like the looks of the Seiko better, sans the orange face.  The Citizen looks like a nice beefy watch but the face is too "busy".  It looks like the control panel of a 747.  The Seiko's face is much nicer, with a cleaner look.

PS the Seiko you are looking for is about $28 cheaper at Bluedial, and Bluedial gives you free 2-day shipping and fitting of the watchband to your measurements.  I bought my last Seiko from Bluedial and they are an authorized Seiko dealer, so this is not a gray-market operation.  I am not affiliated with Bluedial in any way.
6/14/2006 6:40:26 AM EDT
[#22]
I really like the Eco-Drive.  I've had some automatic watches (self-winding) and I hated them because I am so anal and compulsive that the lack of precision in them irritated me (the possibility that they could gain/lose time).

What I like about the Eco-Drive is that other than being charged by light, it works exactly like a regular quartz watch, and so keeps time accurately.  Different versions of the eco have different battery sizes.  Some have a 30-day battery capacity, others have longer, I believe (I guess meaning how long it will continue to work if you put it in a completely dark place).

Of course, another main reason I bought mine (a dive version) was for the depth gauge, which you don't need.  But the benefit of never needing to open the watch up to change a battery is particularly useful for a dive watch, IMO.

So I am very happy with my Eco drive.
6/14/2006 6:40:59 AM EDT
[#23]
I have the Seiko with the black face.  The phosphorus works better at night than anything outside of tritium.  I am really hard on watches and haven't babied this one, not a single scratch on the face.  I got it from Amazon.  



I think it was $125 when I got it.......
6/14/2006 7:00:51 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
I really like the Eco-Drive.  I've had some automatic watches (self-winding) and I hated them because I am so anal and compulsive that the lack of precision in them irritated me (the possibility that they could gain/lose time).

What I like about the Eco-Drive is that other than being charged by light, it works exactly like a regular quartz watch, and so keeps time accurately.  Different versions of the eco have different battery sizes.  Some have a 30-day battery capacity, others have longer, I believe (I guess meaning how long it will continue to work if you put it in a completely dark place).

Of course, another main reason I bought mine (a dive version) was for the depth gauge, which you don't need.  But the benefit of never needing to open the watch up to change a battery is particularly useful for a dive watch, IMO.

So I am very happy with my Eco drive.



Which one do you have DK?
6/14/2006 7:03:06 AM EDT
[#25]
i had Ti seikos and ecodrives back to back

the seiko was completely scratched to shit within a month- i took it back


i got stuck with a Ti ecodrive (fucking exgirlfriend) in 99

it's crystal is still perfect, the band has markings on it comparable to SS, and i have NEVER had to change the battery.

this watch has bad memories attatched to it, so i haven't babied it at all.



GO CITIZEN
6/14/2006 7:07:07 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
I have a Seiko but it is not the Kinetic series so I cannot comment on the quality (or lack thereof) of that mechanism.

I like the looks of the Seiko better, sans the orange face.  The Citizen looks like a nice beefy watch but the face is too "busy".  It looks like the control panel of a 747.  The Seiko's face is much nicer, with a cleaner look.

PS the Seiko you are looking for is about $28 cheaper at Bluedial, and Bluedial gives you free 2-day shipping and fitting of the watchband to your measurements.  I bought my last Seiko from Bluedial and they are an authorized Seiko dealer, so this is not a gray-market operation.  I am not affiliated with Bluedial in any way.



Thanks for the tip, but I am more intrested in the different mechanisms, than those two particular watches.
6/14/2006 7:08:55 AM EDT
[#27]
Casio G-Shock.

HH
6/14/2006 7:12:25 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Which one do you have DK?



I think it's called "Aqualand" - and they come in several appearances.

I don't know if this pic will show up:
6/14/2006 7:16:00 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Casio G-Shock.

HH



They only have a one year warranty.
6/14/2006 7:17:39 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Which one do you have DK?



I think it's called "Aqualand" - and they come in several appearances.

I don't know if this pic will show up:
img.epinions.com/images/opti/38/34/7866270ctzbj200009e.jpg



Not bad. I need a stainless band though.
6/14/2006 7:55:34 AM EDT
[#31]
BTT
6/14/2006 7:58:54 AM EDT
[#32]
I've been wearing the black Citizen EcoDrive Nighthawk for the past six months. I LOVE THIS WATCH! Time is dead-on and it takes a beating without even showing scratches. They also make it in stainless and titanium models.





6/14/2006 8:22:00 AM EDT
[#33]
Todd I've had a Citizen Ecodrive watch for 8 years and love it.  It should outlast you no problem as long as it's treated OK.
6/14/2006 8:25:28 AM EDT
[#34]
Thanks John. I'll have to check it out, the next time we get together.
6/14/2006 8:26:55 AM EDT
[#35]
I really like Seikos. I've got three of 'em.
6/14/2006 8:30:22 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:
Casio G-Shock.

HH



I'm surprised that took so long

I like my Revue Thommen Airspeed Altimeter



Titanium Case and bracelet
Swiss 17 Jewel Hand-Winding Mechanical Movement with hour, minute and sub-second hand
Revue Thommen mechanical altimeter with altitude (0-4500m) and barometric pressure (750-1050 hPa)
Sapphire crystal for the ultimate scratch-resistance
Anti-reflective coating on both sides of crystal
Rotating bezel
Water-resistant to 30 meters / 100 feet
Special edition - limited to 1998 pieces
6/14/2006 8:35:31 AM EDT
[#37]


Mickey Mouse SWAT watch  
6/14/2006 8:36:21 AM EDT
[#38]
Atomic Solar Casio Gshock. Best watch ever.

Although those Citizen Nighthawks are sweeeeeeet!

6/14/2006 9:02:39 AM EDT
[#39]
this is the one i have had for 5 years, never skipped a beat. its been abused and the only thing that has happend is i lost the lttle opal looking thing on the bezzell.

www.princetonwatches.com/shop/BM0560-57E.asp


i sure do miss it, wish i would have picked up a second one when i had the chance.

Ronald
6/14/2006 11:01:18 AM EDT
[#40]
MKII watch built from a Seiko SKX007k

www.mkiiwatches.com/WSWrapper.jsp?mypage=seskx00.htm

Here are only a few examples of the many different variations you can get:









he also has similar models built from the Seiko Model SKX78:

www.mkiiwatches.com/WSWrapper.jsp?mypage=seskx7.htm
6/14/2006 12:29:03 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
MKII watch built from a Seiko SKX007k

www.mkiiwatches.com/WSWrapper.jsp?mypage=seskx00.htm

Here are only a few examples of the many different variations you can get:

www.mkiiwatches.com/images/seskx00/seskx007k_a_300.jpg
www.mkiiwatches.com/images/seskx00/seskx007k_g_300.jpg
www.mkiiwatches.com/images/seskx00/seskx007k_j_300.jpg
www.mkiiwatches.com/images/seskx00/seskx007k_k_300.jpg
www.mkiiwatches.com/images/seskx00/seskx007k_m_300.jpg
www.mkiiwatches.com/images/seskx00/seskx007k_x_300.jpg
www.mkiiwatches.com/images/seskx00/seskx007k_z_300.jpg

he also has similar models built from the Seiko Model SKX78:

www.mkiiwatches.com/WSWrapper.jsp?mypage=seskx7.htm



Beat me to it, I was going to suggest them after I thought about it.  Depending on how much you want to spend, Hamilton and Tissot are quite the bang for the buck too.  They are in the $375-$600 range and offer automatic and quartz movements.  The quartz models are considerably less expensive falling into the $200 range or below.  Their automatic and mechanicals are also more accurate sometimes approaching COSC specifications.   The Tissot Seastar-1000 is a true diver too for about $375 on the net (retails $535).   I have the Seastar on my list of watches to get before I die, along with the Hamilton Aviation Chrono, Frogman and Jazzmaster (a dressy watch).

If you want to go another way and are willing to stay in the $500-$600 range, Check out Watchbuys.com.  They sell German watches like Sinn, Limes and N.B. Yaeger.  Those brands can also go much higher in cost, but start in the $500 range.

ETA: Also the Omega Sea Master Pro (the current James Bond watch) can be had for around $1500.  
6/14/2006 1:22:22 PM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:
MKII watch built from a Seiko SKX007k



Hey, I have one of those! I highly recommend MKII.





6/14/2006 7:33:23 PM EDT
[#43]
Here's mine:


6/14/2006 8:17:46 PM EDT
[#44]
One more bump
6/14/2006 9:46:45 PM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
Here's mine:


i72.photobucket.com/albums/i187/tenmikemike/CitizenEco-DriveSkyhawkBlueAngelsEd.jpg



LOL... That's my bosses watch, and his name is Mike...... odd.
6/15/2006 12:05:31 AM EDT
[#46]
The local Heuer dealer damaged my well-used vintage '80s Heuer diver during a simple battery change. Even a trip to the factory in Switzerland couldn't revive it.  It's functional, but no longer waterproof.

To make up for it, they applied the declared value to my new everyday watch - a Tissot Seastar 660 - blue. 2nd one down. So far I'm very happy with it, since funds didn't allow another Heuer or Marathon.
6/15/2006 12:51:40 AM EDT
[#47]
I have a Marathon TSAR for an everyday watch. And I just picked up a Tag Heuer F1 Chronometer for occasions, just like this one....

6/15/2006 8:36:41 PM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:
I have a Marathon TSAR for an everyday watch. And I just picked up a Tag Heuer F1 Chronometer for occasions, just like this one....

www.tourneau.com/Tourneau/_images/products/HEU0104604_zoom.jpg



Nice watch, but I would rather not wear something that costs as much as a nice HK, on my wrist.
6/15/2006 8:37:55 PM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
The local Heuer dealer damaged my well-used vintage '80s Heuer diver during a simple battery change. Even a trip to the factory in Switzerland couldn't revive it.  It's functional, but no longer waterproof.





That sucks Dr.
6/15/2006 8:49:06 PM EDT
[#50]
Go Lumi-Nox
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