Posted: 6/7/2006 8:05:21 AM EDT
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___ Depends upon circumstances. First, completion of your tour (as he's an Lt, I can't imagine he has completed the obligation he signed-up for). Second, satisfaction of additional service duty for education subsidy (ROTC, for example). Third, the needs of the service and his particular specialty, which in this case includes whininng, which the service doesn't recognize. |
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Stop Loss is probably the answer. I hadn't thought of that. I knew a squared away CPL who went to OCS and came back to the unit, only to resign his commission within a year after some woman got ahold of him and screwed up his priorities. We were not in Stop Loss status at that time, though. |
At the Army's discretion i believe. he is an officer in a combat unit during a war. Frankly we would be better off without him in charge of anything. His duty is to deploy and fight where ever he is ordered to go. As an officer in the USARMY you DO NOT publically discuss the politics of such things, nor do you show weakness to those you command. his ability to command a fighting force is now lost. he will have ZERO credibilty with those under him. |
___ A Commision is for life (with exemptions and if that officer has a specialty direly needed for re-call to active duty) only when the officer accepts a regular commission, as opposed to a reserve commission. |
Easy on the ROTC bashing. He was OTS. I'm going to take some flack for saying this, but I kind of respect this guy because I respect people who stand up for what they believe, even if I don't agree with their beliefs. Of course I also believe this guy should spend several years in Leavenworth. In fact, if he gets away with this without going to Leavenworth, I won't have any respect for him. |
He probably has a minimum service commitment due to ROTC. His behavior could also be conduct unbecoming an officer, failure to go/missing movement, failure to obey two lawful orders: one to STFU over his differences, and the other re: missing movement. His behavior is also not condusive to maintaining good order and discipline in his unit and among the troops, especially his, who will now have more respect for whaleshit than they do him. The tard is fucked and I hope they make an example of him by throwing the book at him. The most depressing thing? After serving his time he'll go back to that liberal bastion we call Hawaii and bask in his new found glory as a "war protester," bang lots of smelly hippy chick groupies, and probably be plastered all over TV as some kind of left wing military affairs/war protest expert. F-him |
You mean like Gen Colin Powell or Gen Hugh Shelton (a Spec Ops god) Or maybe an OCS idiot like Gen George C. Marshall or Gen Tommy Franks....  This guy is an Idiot, but that has nothing to do with the source of his commission. After 8.5 years on active duty, I found that incomptence is no respecter of comissioning source. |
I'm thinking the same thing. Didn't he read the brochure? |
"I wanted to be there for my fellow troops. But the best way was not to help drop artillery and cause more death and destruction. It is to help oppose this war and end it so that all soldiers can come home." - signed LT. Sounds like he is a least inferring that he is FA. Whatever he is / does by trade - he has probably already been assigned as the assistant Brigade S-4 or such nonsense - so at least we can rest assured he will not be adversely effecting the readiness or proficiency of a combat organization by leaving. |
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Officers incur an 8 year statutory obligation, and they can't resign during that time. If he's OCS, the 8 years would have started at his date of enlistment. But, even if his 8 years is up, the Army can always not accept his resignation. (In fact, if the officer hasn't been to Iraq or Afghanistan, and has no compelling personal hardship, Army policy is to disapprove the resignation request.) I have no sympathy for this guy, and he deserves his punishment. He's not disobeying an illegal order, he's disobeying an order he doesn't agree with. Whatever his personal beliefs may be, he has a sworn duty to uphold. I hope he has fun with whatever new job his commander gives him until his court-martial, jail, and elimination from the service. Here's a suggestion: 
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Couldn't he just apply for Conscientious Objector status? That basically sounds like what he is saying already, if he really wants out that would probably be his best bet. Or can't officers do that? ETA: Never mind, it says he is only opposed to this particular conflict, I understand that to be a CO you need to be opposed to all wars. |
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Whoops! I posted this topic in the HoH forum and didn't check in here for dupage. Does he really think that our troops indiscriminately rain down artillery on civilians at random? IMHO, 1. Him not going means another soldier would have to go in his place. I couldn't send someone else to do my job. 2. He is refusing to fulfill his job of supporting the infantry, which, if done on a larger scale, would endanger the lives of those troops by denying them needed fire support. 3. They should drum people like him out of the service like in the old days. Strip off his rank & unit insignia and march him out the gate in disgrace. |
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Serving in the US military is an honor beset with duty, sacrifice and tradition. Many whom live in this country, a few even on this site, with medical disqualifiers have none the less tried to get into that military without success, knowing full well they would be put into harm’s way and ordered to do things they disagree with. This ignoramus, this air thief deserves Leavenworth. |
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The sad part is he just fucked up a chunk of his future over a deployment. Why do these guys always say "...I don't support this war." Is your support of a war (for or against) based only on participation? If he had a brain he could have deployed and requested to be the mess officer or some such shit. But no, he needs to try and place cowerdice under a banner of moral courage against a war. |
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As The song goes: Ho ho ho, not this time, my friend. You'll be in lockdown dy ten I'm afraid you can't talk your way outta this one, son. You have four walls are your twenty-four hour-a-day-constant-compa-nion Hey, Bwana, I'll see you in'a Slap on the wrist, well not this time Hey, Bwana, I'll see you in'a HAVE A NICE LIFE IN LEAVENWORTH, PRIVATE WATADA. Should've thought about that wne you decided to become a US Army Officer, ya turd! 
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___ Officers do not have arbitrary ability to resign their Commissions. As I posted earlier, Officers are required to fulfill their contractual obligations. These obligations may be incurred through U.S. Government subsidies through education (R.O.T.C., Military Academies, Officer Training School, Medical, etc.) for starters. Further professional military education (Pilot/Navigator Training, etc.) also incurs further obligations that are contractual. An officer is required to fulfill these commitments, or the officer may be obliged, dependant upon the obligation, to restitute to the U.S. Government the funds that would otherwise be forfeit then lost due to non-compliance of the officers commitment. There are two categories of officers; those holding a Reserve or Regular Commission. Officers holding a Regular Commission are those who have graduated from Military Academies. Generally, those graduating from ROTC or OTS are granted Reserve Commissions. The latter group may be offered Regular Commissions at some point in their careers. Officers who accept a Regular Commission also incur the obligation, at the discretion of the President and Congress, to be re-called to active duty status, despite prior separation from service. |
___ True, and more than that I would suspect. If he's seperated with a less than honorable discharge, it will haunt him the rest of his life...as it should. |
Kharn |
I know several, and they are still patriotic and willing to defend this country should the situation arise. I know one guy that went though OCS twice because of shin splints and he wouldn't give up. I know another guy that was turned down by the Army because of a bee sting allergy, so he joined the Air Force and after it was found out about the bee sting allergy he was discharged. I know one guy that was in the Air Force with a bad knee that really pushed himself and three days short of graduating was discharged. There are many more stories of people that WANT to serve this country and medically couldn't join the military. So this guy doesn't believe in "this" war. Well, which war would he believe in? Germany never attacked us, and other than that shit in Hawaii, Japan never really attacked us. Hell, other than the British on two occasions, nobody ever really attacked the continental USA. So, what war would this lieutenant ever support? |
I can see him having to serve maximum sentances from a Court-Martial, he will be gray when he gets out of Leavenworth. |