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5/2/2006 12:21:47 PM EDT
Guys,

I am doing my first out of state firearm sale this week. I DO NOT hold an FFL. I am waiting on the transferors FFL to arrive so I can send the pistol from IL. to CA.   My question to all of you is... As far as having proof that I have sold this pistol out of state, what do you suggest? I hold on to the transferors FFL for my records but I would like something more detailed. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
5/2/2006 12:37:05 PM EDT
[#1]
Handguns have to go FFL to FFL. You need to find an FFL in Il who will ship to the FFL in Ca.
5/2/2006 12:45:16 PM EDT
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Handguns have to go FFL to FFL. You need to find an FFL in Il who will ship to the FFL in Ca.



And make damned sure they know it's going to the PRK. If it is a newer pistol it will also need to comply with the PRK's drop standards. (I don't know what they are and I have decided that I have enough .38's so I no longer care)
5/2/2006 12:51:14 PM EDT
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And make damned sure they know it's going to the PRK. If it is a newer pistol it will also need to comply with the PRK's drop standards. (I don't know what they are and I have decided that I have enough .38's so I no longer care)



The drop test requirements and some others, e.g. chamber-loaded indicator requirement for centerfire semiautomatics, do not apply to private-party transfers.

Here is a link to the DoJ's firearms division page o' links:  ag.ca.gov/firearms/index.html

Any licensee, including C&R, will have a complete set of California gun laws and regs provided by the BATFE every year.  It's up to the licensee to ensure compliance.  A lot of licensees both inside and outside of Cali are excessively cautious to the point of losing business opportunities.
5/2/2006 12:53:07 PM EDT
[#4]
What law(s) require me to hold an FFL to ship a handgun??? ATF states that a non-license holder may send a handgun out of state  to a valid FFL to be transferred, and it must be sent via a common carrier like UPS or FedEx (Not USPS).

If it is Local or State (CA.) law, it is the buyers responsibility to comply with local laws.
5/2/2006 12:59:20 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Guys,

I am doing my first out of state firearm sale this week. I DO NOT hold an FFL. I am waiting on the transferors FFL to arrive so I can send the pistol from IL. to CA.   My question to all of you is... As far as having proof that I have sold this pistol out of state, what do you suggest? I hold on to the transferors FFL for my records but I would like something more detailed. Any advice is greatly appreciated.



First off, YOU are not a FFL holder, so you do not need a copy of the receiving FFL before you ship.  That only applies if YOU are a FFL holder yourself.  All you need to do is to make sure that you are sending the gun to a FFL holder.  Fastest way to do that is the FFL eZcheck on the ATF's web site.  A quick phone call to the phone number should also help.  If by some stretch, it turned out that you sent it to a NON-FFL holder after you did the above, you did nothing wrong and would be absolved.  The recipient, however, would be in a world of hurt.

When you ship it to the FFL, he will have to log it into his bound book, so if there is ever a problem, you can mention where you shipped it to, and they can look him up and check his records.  If he "lost" his record of the item, he'll be in a world of hurt if you can prove you shipped it to him.  A receipt perhaps?  Maybe a statement (signed) from that FFL stating that he is receiving X firearm from you...