Posted: 4/26/2006 1:19:05 AM EDT
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Here, this is for the prissy few who got all twisted out of shape when I posted a DoD Press Release about a canopy failure on an F-22… boo, hoo, hoo, Vito posted bad things about one of our planes…  Pffftttt!… RAF Eurofighter Crash-Landed: British Defense Chiefs By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE, LONDON A British Royal Air Force Eurofighter crashed on landing in eastern England when its front wheel failed to descend properly, the Ministry of Defence in London said Jan. 17. The Typhoon jet suffered damage following a malfunction of its landing gear as it touched down at the RAF Coningsby station in Lincolnshire, eastern England, on Jan. 16, an MoD spokesman told Agence France-Presse. No one was hurt and an investigation is now under way into what caused the problem, he added. The Typhoon Eurofighter is produced by a consortium of EADS, BAE Systems and Italy’s Alenia/Finmeccanica. It is due to be introduced into the RAF in stages, reportedly within weeks, according to British newspaper The Sun in its Jan. 18 edition. The daily tabloid also quoted unnamed official sources as saying it was not the first time the Typhoon had suffered problems with its landing gear. The Eurofighter is a multi-role combat jet with a range of 2,500 kilometers (1,560 miles) and can be equipped with a mix of missiles depending on its mission. The jets reportedly cost about 65 million pounds each (95 million euros, $115 million). Last month Britain signed a multi-billion-dollar contract with Saudi Arabia to supply an undisclosed number of the jets. They will replace the Tornado warplanes supplied to the oil-rich Gulf state in another massive, and controversial, deal two decades ago. http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1473401&C=mideast             And yes, it will buff right out… and no canopies were harmed in the production of this crash. ANdy |
Fuggin heap !| Can you get one of your guys to jump an F22 and shoot? This bigger dick contest is getting old. Fuck the F22. We are not building enough of them, and the corporate line seems to be we don't need many cuz they are unbeatable. America, fuck yeah. In for a rude surprise. |
I can only quote the comments of the USAF's Chief of Staff who has flown both… by Staff Sgt. C. Todd Lopez Air Force Print News 3/22/2005 - WASHINGTON -- The Air Force chief of staff added to his 5,000-plus flying hours with familiarization flights in both the F/A-22 Raptor and the Eurofighter aircraft. Gen. John P. Jumper said the Eurofighter is both agile and sophisticated, but is still difficult to compare to the F/A-22 Raptor. He is the only person to have flown both aircraft. "They are different kinds of airplanes to start with," the general said. "It's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula 1 car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance." The Raptor is the latest addition to the Air Force combat aircraft inventory. The Eurofighter is a combat fighter aircraft designed and produced as a joint effort by several European countries. Despite being designed for different missions, General Jumper said the Eurofighter and the Raptor are equally high-tech aircraft. "The Eurofighter is certainly, as far as smoothness of controls and the ability to pull (and sustain high G forces), very impressive," he said. "That is what it was designed to do, especially the version I flew, with the avionics, the color moving map displays, etc. -- all absolutely top notch. The maneuverability of the airplane in close-in combat was also very impressive." The F/A-22 performs in much the same way as the Eurofighter, General Jumper said. But it has additional capabilities that allow it to perform the Air Force's unique missions. "The F/A-22 Raptor has stealth and supercruise," he said. "It has the ability to penetrate virtually undetected because of (those) capabilities. It is designed to be a penetrating airplane. It can maneuver with the best of them if it has to, but what you want to be able to do is get into contested airspace no matter where it is." General Jumper said he believes the Eurofighter and the Raptor will help America's allies and the Air Force each perform their part of the overall mission as they work together to execute the war on terror. "We do things in a complementary way," he said. "We have been to war with our allies in Desert Storm, in Kosovo and more recently in Afghanistan and Iraq. We all have our roles to play, and the role of the U.S. Air Force is in many ways to kick down the door and make sure the airspace is available for people to do whatever it is they want to do in the air or on the ground under that airspace." One advantage of having flown the Eurofighter, General Jumper said, is that it allows him to get first-hand knowledge of technology U.S. allies use and to see how America's handiwork stacks up. He said he believes the two aircraft are running neck-and-neck, but America must always be vigilant to ensure it stays on the cutting edge of aviation technology. "You can see the technology that is out there compared with ours," he said. "You see the avionics and all of the great progress that has been made. You make sure you are not too complacent, because the technology that they have is very competitive with technology that we have." http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/archive/index.php/t-5158.html |
Yup...those jets are done. Bet the entire front end will need disassembly and tweaking too. The radar isn't designed to take shocks like that. I'd ground the entire fleet until the undercarriage issue is fixed. |
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i thinks its funny... all these people bitching and moaning about how good the F22 or the Eurofighter is...or which bird is better on the hornet issue... its a common fact that 100% of the people on this board would give their left nut..to fly ANY BIRD that is flying in modern countries.. any french jet... any german jet.. any russian jet.. you pick your poison.. |
It's a BS post… I already said that… And as for that (and most other things the US military uses) sucks comment… Post me the links were I said the following US systems just my Service uses suck? Trident D5 TLAM Harpoon AIM-120 AIM-9 Javelin Phalanx 1B M134 7.62 minigun Paveway CH-47 AH-64D Sea King Harrier GR7 (AV-8B) Barret Light 50 M-16 M2 & M3 .50 BMG Seal Swimmer Delivery Vehicle |
The biggest shoot down reply I see from Vito is "the RAF/RN/RA already uses the same thing." I think this says more about the US .mil's procurement process than anything else. |
he didn't belly her in per se, he flew her onto the deck and held the nose up with the canards till she slowed right down and the nose gently kissed the deck… ANdy |
Anything you can walk away from. Reusing the air frame is just a bonus. |
His continued bashing of the US Military inventory has gotten old. Fast. It's gotten to a point where his opinion is no longer relevant, since he's obviously incredibly biased. |
A field repair team can do some amazing work. Did you see the pics of the C-17 that went into the dirt in A-stan? It ripped the belly open, doing LOTS of damage to the lower forward fuselage. With the damage done to that airplane I wouldn't have been surprised if they had written it off, but they sent in a team to make repairs and after an extended stay on the ground it was flown out. |
Tell you what sporto… You get the Department of Defence to stop publishing the stuff and I'll stop posting it… ANdy |
Errr....stroke the motors? Of all the Naval aircraft I have flown in you don't secure the engines until after the landing is complete, unless you are making a water landing (ditch). |
How much more viable could the F-15 be with canard wings on it? That and thrust vectoring could give it quite the edge even over the SU-27 and its variants. -K |
What is it with the frogs?… dude… it's a British design. The frogs built their own Eurocanard… Anyway… what is it with those Americans and those deltawing canard planes, the look dumb as hell…  This is the F-15 ACTIVE… it's so good the Ruskies copied the comcept and called it the SU-35. The F-15 ACTIVE flew in the 90's and could still fly rings around anything in the sky today.  There are excellent aerodynamic reasons for the delta/canard designs… high lift/low drag/low wing loading/high agility being the main ones. ANdy |
It's already been done… over 10 years ago with the F-15 ACTIVE, 3D thrust vectoring and canards… it's performance and agility was truly stellar, the USAF did not persue a production variant. ANdy |
Quite stable actually. N927DA sustained an uncontained engine failure in Pensacola, FL, and the engine failure not only killed two passengers with engine shrapnel, it damaged the airframe to the point to where Delta had to have McDonell Douglas come out with a team, and they had to remove the entire tail section, and rebuilt it using lasers for for alignment of all major parts of the airframe. N927DA is still flying around today. |
Any reason why? |
USAF had already decided to go with the ATF project. In 1990 McD also offered the USAF the F-15XX for a rather bargain price, most of the performance and capability of the F-22. It would have featured the F-22's 119 engines, a bigger wing, new intakes and general signature reduction, plus most of the ATF's electronics. An F-15 Super Eagle if you will. IIRC, it was 345 F-15XX's for just the non-recurring development cost of the ATF. The USAF went nuts and demanded and got the McD's project manager sacked. If AeroE is about he can fill in the dots… ANdy |