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4/20/2006 10:34:30 AM EDT
There was a jest in another post about securing our border with people in recliners, laptops, and rifles spaced 100 yards apart. I found this somewhat amusing and wanted to run the numbers on what this might cost.

Our border with Mexico (according to wikipedia) is 1951 miles. This turns out to be 34,33,760 yards. Requiring 34,337 of these stations if spaced 100 yards apart. If we are to have our armchair commandos out on the boarder we should make them comfortable. Below our the estimated one-time costs of each station.

$200 - 15ft stand for elevation
$500 - Lazy Boy, cant have an armchair commando without
$100 - Umbrella, for shade, weather
$1,500 - Gun, for the protection of our nation
$1,000 - Laptop, to kill boredom, our other enemy
$1,000 - 200w Solar panel, to make the laptop and most other equipment work (charge batteries for night)
$500 - Wifi repeater/network, to surf and communicate

All in all about $5,000 per station.

Now we have some reoccurring monthly costs:
$600 - Provisions, for a little food and water (hopefully workers will bring their own)
$15 - Internet, to go with the laptop
$200 - Ammo/Targets, for practice, and more
$200 - Other, for anything missed.

This turns out to be about $1,000 a month rounding up per station; $12,000 per station per year.

Assuming that the people manning these stations will want to be paid, the average armchair commando will not do very much in their typical day. Lets keep it simple and pay them $10/h. We will probably run a 3-shift day. In any case we should have 24 hour-a-day protection at each station. Again, you will be paying out about $7,500 per station per month, or about $90,000 a year.

Of course, this covers no pay or additional equipment for managers, repairs, etc. We are strictly looking at the stations themselves. A station by itself doesn't look too bad. But lets look at the numbers remembering we will need 34,337 stations at 100 yards apart.

Startup cost of all stations:
$172 million

Yearly reoccurring fees of all stations:
$412 million

Yearly payout of all station employees:
$3 billion

All said and done you are likely looking at about $3.5 to $4 billion for the first year of operation and costs afterward.

That might seem somewhat high. However a little research found that the department of homepand security gets approx $42 billion a year and customs and border protection get $7.1 billion in 2007.

Alternatives:
Build a really good fence
Many gun platforms controlled remotely. (good deterrent!)



-Foxxz
4/20/2006 10:36:29 AM EDT
[#1]
Why 100yds. apart?

Get some guys with decent gear who can shoot, and they could be spaced 1000yds. apart.

That way, each person's farthest shot would be ~500yds.

4/20/2006 10:39:02 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Why 100yds. apart?

Get some guys with decent gear who can shoot, and they could be spaced 1000yds. apart.

That way, each person's farthest shot would be ~500yds.




Obstructions such as hills, valleys, and rocks might be an issue. And if you have mutiple targets you need to shoot fast.

Plus, our wifi links might not work that far apart.

-Foxxz
4/20/2006 10:40:32 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why 100yds. apart?

Get some guys with decent gear who can shoot, and they could be spaced 1000yds. apart.

That way, each person's farthest shot would be ~500yds.




Obstructions such as hills, valleys, and rocks might be an issue. And if you have mutiple targets you need to shoot fast.

-Foxxz



Hills...?

In south Texas/AZ?



There may be some, but I do know that most of SW Texas close to the border is VERY flat.
4/20/2006 10:41:11 AM EDT
[#4]
Another idea:  Just give me the $3 billion and I will have the problem taken care of.

Just don't ask any questions.  
4/20/2006 10:43:09 AM EDT
[#5]
I'm in!
4/20/2006 10:45:30 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I'm in!



Volunteers welcome

-Foxxz
4/20/2006 10:47:18 AM EDT
[#7]
You need communication between the towers too.

Also, if your going to have 34,000 stations with wifi running on 8 hr shifts 24/7, your going to need a few hundred cases of jergens and kleenex.
4/20/2006 10:51:13 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why 100yds. apart?

Get some guys with decent gear who can shoot, and they could be spaced 1000yds. apart.

That way, each person's farthest shot would be ~500yds.




Obstructions such as hills, valleys, and rocks might be an issue. And if you have mutiple targets you need to shoot fast.

-Foxxz



Hills...?

In south Texas/AZ?



There may be some, but I do know that most of SW Texas close to the border is VERY flat.



Hmm someones never been to the Big Bend area.
4/20/2006 10:52:17 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
You need communication between the towers too.

Also, if your going to have 34,000 stations with wifi running on 8 hr shifts 24/7, your going to need a few hundred cases of jergens and kleenex.



That alone might keep the illegals out

-Foxxz
4/20/2006 10:55:06 AM EDT
[#10]
Damn, and here I thought this was going to be a thread about eating Irish babies
4/20/2006 10:55:35 AM EDT
[#11]
ah man, I was hoping to eat some babies...


ETA: DAMN YOU Ranger_SXT!!! Beat me by 29 Seconds!
4/20/2006 10:57:49 AM EDT
[#12]
Your thread title is screwing with my head. I keep thinking that this is about Jonathan Swift's proposal on how to solve the Irish poverty issue. That was a good essay, BTW.

Third time I've opened it!
4/20/2006 10:58:59 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
ah man, I was hoping to eat some babies...


ETA: DAMN YOU Ranger_SXT!!! Beat me by 29 Seconds!



My skillz of satire are unbelievable
4/20/2006 10:59:47 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Hills...?

In south Texas/AZ?



There may be some, but I do know that most of SW Texas close to the border is VERY flat.



Let's see highest point in Mississippi: Woodall MTN, 806 feet
Highest point in Texas: Guadalupe Peak 8,749 feet.
4/20/2006 11:00:29 AM EDT
[#15]

Good work, Foxxz.  I also question the close spacing of the towers.  Additionally, I think $100 for an umbrella, even a big golf umbrella, is far to much.  Maybe $50 each? Resulting in a savings of $1,716,850.



Quoted:
You need communication between the towers too.




With everyone on the net, we'd just communicate via IM and message board postings, anyway.

4/20/2006 11:11:42 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Good work, Foxxz.  I also question the close spacing of the towers.  Additionally, I think $100 for an umbrella, even a big golf umbrella, is far to much.  Maybe $50 each? Resulting in a savings of $1,716,850.



Quoted:
You need communication between the towers too.




With everyone on the net, we'd just communicate via IM and message board postings, anyway.




Thats what i was thinking; or some VOIP application. Its all good.


Also, space the stations out as you like. However, take into account max wifi range (around 300 yards without pricier equipment) and skilled shooters might want paid more. This sounds like a good summer job for the kids IMHO.

-Foxxz
4/20/2006 11:14:56 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:


With everyone on the net, we'd just communicate via IM and message board postings, anyway.




We can have a forum for them on here.

Hey 15023... YOUR MOM!

-15021