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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:01:58 PM EDT
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Nope. Not at all. |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:04:03 PM EDT
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You know it's Cali. law for trigger locks or a safe, I know it is, and I'll assume the father did also.
Eta: now if we could just figure out how to make this catch on with the rest of the illegal supporters |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:08:26 PM EDT
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But where I am shaking my head and wondering... WTF is where I say "HELLO??? DOES ANYONE SEE THE BIG FUCKING ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM and no one is talking about it" There is SO MUCH MORE going on than a bullshit trigger lock law that is going on. Kid was SET on killing himself... So if the kid used a steak knife this wouldnt be an issue? Family is devastated that a child is dead and HEY!! HERE IS A GREAT IDEA... ARREST THE DAD AS HE IS MOURNING!!! FUCKING NICE!!!! I SWEAR WTF are the lawmakers thinking?? REALLY!!!!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!! 
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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:29:16 PM EDT
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How do you know the kid was "set on killing himself"? How many kids act impulsively w/o thinking through the consequences of their actions? Even if he is "set on killing himself", if his parents knew that, wouldn't them leaving an unsecure weapon around be WORSE than if he was "stable"? Even if he is "set on killing himself", why make it easy for him to succeed? |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:49:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Thank You Charles Darwin !
Invisiblesoul |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:57:22 PM EDT
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Jesus, that kid had balls. To kill himself in protest... shit.
BTW, where the fuck did this happen? Why does the article keep mentioning San Bernardino and Ontario - did it happen in Kali or in Canada? |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 12:01:26 AM EDT
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Kinda hard not to know with those gigantic signs they have to post in the shops down there...
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Posted: 4/12/2006 12:13:30 AM EDT
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Maybe if he were a Budist Monk , and lit himself on fire , would the commies in Cal. charge him with smoking in public ?
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Posted: 4/12/2006 12:29:38 AM EDT
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Ontario, San Bernadino County, California yup - criminal storage of a firearm.... Brian |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 12:34:23 AM EDT
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If all guns were gone tommorow morning,what would we ban next? |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 2:54:22 AM EDT
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I thought everyone knew about these safe storage laws. Here's Wisconsin's:
Leaving a firearm within reach of a child under 14 is generally a misdemeanor, if that child points it at anyone or shows it to anyone in a public place. Defenses include having the gun locked in a safe or container, or having a trigger lock on the gun, or removal of a key operating part, or illegal entry by anyone to obtain the firearm, or a reasonable belief a juvenile couldn't access the firearm. Statute 948.55 Firearms retailers are required to provide every buyer with a written warning stating, "If you leave a loaded firearm within the reach or easy access of a child you may be fined or imprisoned or both if the child improperly discharges, possesses or exhibits the firearm." Statute 175.37 |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 2:59:06 AM EDT
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It takes alot more balls for a kid to stab him/herself with a knife than to shoot themselves with a gun. Why should we be making it easier than it has to be? |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 3:17:16 AM EDT
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I'm kinda torn on this one..
Would they have done the same if he had used his parents' car in the garage to die by carbon monoxide poisoning? In both situations the parents could be seen as accountable. Then again, it wasn't accidental. If it was a negligent discharge and he killed himself, that would be different. For someone who is entirely suicidal there is no turning back. That wouldn't have changed if the gun hadn't been around. I lean more toward the opinion that he shouldn't be held accountable. I feel bad for his loss, and even worse for him that he's under public scrutiny for this.. I do NOT feel sorry for that kid, though. Anyone who kills themselves over something so trivial and dying with the delusion of martyrdom probably isn't going to be a very valuable asset to society anyway. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 3:31:24 AM EDT
[#14]
Ditto |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 3:39:59 AM EDT
[#15]
Well of course if he’s on fire and there is smoke and that illegally. The people of California need to ban all harmful things to protect the children! You know guns, knives, bows, arrows, small stones, and blunt objects, all these things need to be controlled and highly regulated for the children. Don’t you know that the nice politicians know what is good for you! Now shut up and vote and they’ll give you bread and circuses. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 4:10:55 AM EDT
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That pretty much sums it up. The step father broke the law. It is a stupid retarded law, but a law none-the-less. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 4:14:36 AM EDT
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"Hmm, how can I use this to get myself re-elected? . . . " How's that for a summary? CMOS |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 4:18:12 AM EDT
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My guess would be that this is EXACTLY the kind of scenario they were thinking of when they PASSED that law in the first place, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd be arresting a family member now of all times. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 4:32:54 AM EDT
[#19]
Ban children, do it for the firearms.
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Posted: 4/12/2006 4:33:15 AM EDT
[#20]
This and Columbine and all of the other "accidental" shootings which occur annually. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 4:43:33 AM EDT
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+1 My solution is to never, under any circumstances, go to California. And occasionally hope there is an earthquake, California breaks off, and sinks into the ocean.... |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 4:48:58 AM EDT
[#22]
Can they just ban stupid people........ For the children..... Nevermind.. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 4:56:08 AM EDT
[#23]
Deelted because it sounded an awfully lot like an incident that happeend Back East up here, In Ontario, I missed the county name
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:01:43 AM EDT
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"On March 30, the boy was called into a school administrator's office, where he was told he could go to jail for three years for his involvement in the protests, said Samuel R. Paz, the family's attorney. The administrator also said the boy could be barred from graduation activities and his mother could be fined, Paz said."
Prison for three years?? lies!! The priciple scrared the carp out of the kid, his fault. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:03:56 AM EDT
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If I am reading this right, I take it then you believe only LEO and the military should have guns huh? Cause you sure as hell sound like Sarah Brady.... |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:23:24 AM EDT
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My son killed himself nearly 9 years ago. His suicide note said that he was doing it to bring attention to the poor treatment of some students at school.
The fact is my son was a disturbed young man who killed himself because he didn't know how to deal with his poor choices. I deserve the blame for that. Screwed up young people do screwed up things. And it isn't about the method they use to kill themselves. My son hung himself with a cheap extension cord. If he hadn't had that cord, he would have found something else. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:45:10 AM EDT
[#27]
Yep. Locks on the knife drawer? Did you put the asprine in the safe? Chain up the rope in the house? Gasoline for the mower locked down? Any razors in the house? 5th of Jack in the cabnet? Carpet knife locked securely in a tamper-proof location? Or is the real issue just that he had a gun? |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:49:29 AM EDT
[#28]
+1. Putting the dad in jail does nothing to make anyone any safer. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:51:31 AM EDT
[#29]
The article says Ontario.
It's Canada. Rational thought stops at the border. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:57:24 AM EDT
[#30]
I'm Sorry 
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:58:06 AM EDT
[#31]
It might be Ontario, CA.... |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:58:33 AM EDT
[#32]
And how many illegals are going to show up at this kid's funeral? I'm pretty sure it will be none.
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:59:49 AM EDT
[#33]
Yeah, I guess the San Bernadino County was a dead giveaway. Sounded good though. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:00:13 AM EDT
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Is this the vaunted "compassion" of the left? To put grieving parents in jail? If they tried this crap on me, well, lets just say that they'd need SWAT to enforce that one.
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:01:42 AM EDT
[#35]
Me too. 
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:02:03 AM EDT
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it's easier to scream "we need gun control" then it is to address the *real* problem. if we address the real problem, we will have to face things like "racism", "diversity", pollitical correctness", and all sorts of social programs and policies, as well as some fundimental truths that may not be all that palletable. plus, consider that the people who scream gun control are usually the ones who are responsible for all the aforementioned topics. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:02:01 AM EDT
[#37]
You have put my thoughts eloquently into words that my emotions were not allowing me to. THAT is what I was trying to say!!!! 
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:09:29 AM EDT
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First of all my condolences and my heartfelt prayers to you. Back in the late 80's one of my dearest friends killed himself and we KNEW that he was contemplating it. We went to his home and removed every 'dangerous object' we could find. He watched us and laughed. We were teenagers so we didnt have the brain capacity to call 911... He had it planned for weeks what he was going to do. Will Rogers is 100% correct... let me reitterate it once more because it is WELL worth repeating:
Now as far as this kid in the article goes, EASE of suicide is not usually a mitigating factor. They dont care how they get to their destination as long as they get there. We had a guy a few months ago jump off an overpass into 80 mph traffic and got his job done. Punishing the family is NOT the answer. BELIEVE me... the family has been punished FAR MORE than the law can. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:22:43 AM EDT
[#39]
 Cali law does not specify the manner in which you have to store your weapons. But if a kid under 16 gets his or her hands on one and someone is injured or killed as a result, the state can charge you with negligent storage. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:30:57 AM EDT
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I can't see how you guys are opposed to a law that clearly requires someone to be a responsible adult.
While there is little doubt in my mind that if he didn't have access to a gun, he woudl have still killed himself, the fact remains that the parents were negligent and allowed a minor access to a firearm and ammunition. If it was YOUR kid visiting someone else's house you'd sue the parents and hold them responsible financially for this scenario. Why not make it criminal as well? If you have children in your home, it is your responsibility to secure your firearms. If you don't do so, i'd call that criminal negligence. The parents SHOULD go to jail. The only way we will ever be able to continue to own firearms in this country is if we are responsible. If you do not hold these parents responsible for their actions, how can you expect the gun grabbers NOT to punish us by taking our guns away completely? Yes, we expect freedom in a free society, but we also expect that our citizens will use that freedom responsibly...and these people did not. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:36:44 AM EDT
[#41]
Haven't you heard? Laws don't mean anything anymore when gov'ts don't obey or enforce them. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:36:48 AM EDT
[#42]
Thats bullshit. There are many weapons which you can use to kill. Hammer, knives, baseball bats, 2x4's, power saw. Maybe we should have to lock all those things up too.... When I was a kid, my dad kept his rifles and shotguns in cases in the back of his closet. They weren't locked. But I was taught respect for them, and would have never dreamed of touching them. And others are right IF the gun was locked up, if he was serious he would find another way... Sorry, you sound like a namby pamby Sarah Brady parrot. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:46:04 AM EDT
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Am I the only one who would be asking the school official, "Who the fuck do you think you are, threatening my kid with three years of jail time?" A freaking felony for leaving school? This guy has more than his share of culpability in this death.
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:56:34 AM EDT
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How many hammer, 2X4, baseball bat, or pwer saw suicides have you heard of? All of those require a person that is DEDICATED to inflincting pain on themsleves and continuing to do it until dead. As opposed to 1 pull of the trigger. Somehow I SERIOUSLY doubt if that kid didn't have a gun at that moment he would have pummelled himself to death with a 2X4. Hanging is probably as common or more common than firearms in suicides. Can you prevent suicides by locking up guns. NO of course not. But as gun owners you can prevent bad press about guns being involved in suicides by locking up guns. Still, if someone, especially an impulsive child decides to commit suicide, WHY MAKE IT EASY BY ALLOWING THEM TO ACCESS A FIREARM. It's also interesting as an emergency responder how many calls we get, from suicidal people, after they have taken an OD, cut themself, etc. asking for help. We don't get many calls from people after they have shot themselves. Do I agree with CA's draconian safe storage laws? NO. They way I understand it a gun has to be locked up, unloaded, seperate from ammo, which also has to be locked up. Seems really overboard. But I also don't think gun owners are doing any good by not locking up their guns, or minimizing what happens when guns get misused. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:58:19 AM EDT
[#45]
The gun charge is
 As for the suicide, I would think the kid was on the verge of doing something along those lines anyway. Protesting was just a good excuse. ETA: Mexico + Canada (socialism) = California |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:08:00 AM EDT
[#46]
The law says no such thing. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:10:13 AM EDT
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The way a suicidal person works, they pick a method. It could be a gun, pills, jumping off a bridge, what have you. They don't have a laundry list of methods planned. The reason the Bradys talk about guns being locked up, they figure that if you've locked up that gun, you've interupted the suicidal persons planning cycle and they wont immediately kill themselves when the impulse strikes and in the meantime you can get them mental help. Eventually, yes, they can find another way if they don't get treatment. After all, Japans suicide rate is higher than the USA's, and they have a limited access to firearms. Thats because they choose another "primary" method of killing themselves because guns aren't a consideration in their planning process. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:10:36 AM EDT
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Nope, you're not the only one. The article was all about the gun storage, and so was this thread.  Everyone (except you and me) has ignored the part about the school official threatening a middle school student...WTF. Chances are the local PD and news there will focus on the GUN and nothing will be done about a school threatening a student like that. Yes maybe the kid was set on killing himself, but the schools' threats may have pushed him over the edge. But no, teachers/principles/super intendants never do anything wrong or out of line...    |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:11:14 AM EDT
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Back in HS, if we were to protest and got cited for truancy or got detention or faced jail time (as minors), we'd give them the big middle finger a "F$%@ you!" and tell our parents to do the same. What is the administration going to do when a group of parents and students stand together?
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:25:19 AM EDT
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Japan has more suicides then the US and has total gun control. the MYTH that restricting access to guns stops suicides is flat out lie. |
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