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Posted: 4/9/2006 4:00:53 AM EDT
This is only my second post on this forum, though I've spent plenty of time lurking around and reading. Now I pose to you gentlemen this simple question:

Which state in the US would you recommend as a nice place to live in?

We've been considering the prospect of moving to the States sometime in the distant future, so I'd appreciate your opinions and suggestions greatly.

Now, as a Finn, I wouldn't mind cold weather and snowstorms at all, but my girlfriend happens to be Chinese and she is already rather sick of the cold winters of Finland, so a state with atleast a little bit of sunshine would be nice.

Also, the right to own a proper firearm, such as a carbine or a semi-automatic rifle, for self-protection is a must.

So, which state rocks?


PS: I'd also like to take this opportunity to point out that not all of us Europeans are beret-wearing, snobby, arrogant, red-wine sipping idiots who spend their days directing ridiculous art-movies and ballet-dances. Some of us even oppose the idea of instantly surrendering to an invading army
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:06:52 AM EDT



I'd recommend sticking to one of the red states.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:11:24 AM EDT
Well, it depends on what kind of weather you want to put up with, we have it all. Cold and snowy in the north, tornados in the midwest, hurricanes in the southeast, Atlantic storms in the Northeast, hot and dry in the southwest. Rainy and crappy in the Northwest. What kind of population are you coming from? 300 people a day are moving to Phoenix, Arizona, but its a bitch to drive to work. Do you want to live in the desert, the woods, the plains? We have them all. I guess we need to know more about you...
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:17:53 AM EDT
Welcome, my Grandmother was from Karelia, Lots of Finns in the midwest. As for NJ, run away un very far, unless thoose of us in South Jersey finally break away.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:19:40 AM EDT
I'm a happy Finn in New Hampshire, where gun laws are very easy to own and carry, despite the last election going to Democrats in the state. There are big pockets of Finns in Minnesota and Michigan, though they are more Liberal states, so gun laws are tougher.

Arizona and Utah both have very easy gun laws, and though I wouldn't recommend southern Arizona, as it gets very hot and dry, once you get up around Flagstaff, Arizona, the altitude is higher, and so it is cooler, and ther are plenty of thick pine forests. It's a very pretty part of the country.

You have to look at jobs as well. There are some really pretty places to live, but jobs are lower paying and may not be what you are good at doing for a career. New Hampshire has lots of work, especially in the high tech field, and Massachusetts, just to the south, has even more, though their gun laws are horrible.

Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:21:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:21:52 AM EDT
Lots of you Finlanders in the Upper Penninsula of Michigan. From what I hear, the terrain and climate is a lot like your homeland.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:26:10 AM EDT
Florida.

You can shoot, fish, play golf, enjoy the sights at the beaches, and pursue other outdoor interests year-round.

The gun laws are as good as any in the States.

Granted it gets balls-hot and humid in the summer months, but the benefits far outweigh the downsides

There are many Euros here now, and more coming all the time
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:38:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ghillieman:
Lots of you Finlanders in the Upper Penninsula of Michigan. From what I hear, the terrain and climate is a lot like your homeland.




Yes you would fit in well there. Lots of nordic folk.
The bad thing is Dirtroit calls the shots in MI
Go with MONTANA!!!
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:51:52 AM EDT
Upper New Hampshire is nice. Year round for all your sports needs (from swimming in summer to skiing in winter). Eventhough we are a blue state still very gun friendly and we are trying to live by the motto "Lie Free or Die". We are the Free State Project:


The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property. The success of the Project would likely entail reductions in taxation and regulation, reforms at all levels of government to expand individual rights and free markets, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world.

Dont know how that is going but lets hope it goes well :D

Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:55:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Apostrophe:

PS: I'd also like to take this opportunity to point out that not all of us Europeans are beret-wearing, snobby, arrogant, red-wine sipping idiots who spend their days directing ridiculous art-movies and ballet-dances. Some of us even oppose the idea of instantly surrendering to an invading army



That’s what we think about the French. (And even then I figure the average Frenchman is about as connected with that culture as I am with the Hollywood culture.)

East Tennessee is nice and so is North Alabama. I used to drive a truck (delivering freight) and have been all over the Eastern half of America. There’re a lot of really nice places to live, filled with some really good people. But I honestly haven’t found any place that suits me better than where I am at now (Huntsville, AL).

Link Posted: 4/9/2006 5:05:42 AM EDT


Any state that gets an F from the Brady Bunch is good.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 5:09:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KyBlaster:
i2.tinypic.com/tao8xi.jpg

Any state that gets an F from the Brady Bunch is good.



don't know where you got that map from....VA needs to be much greener.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 5:16:36 AM EDT
In case you didn't get this from the maps - NOT ILLINOIS!
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 5:33:58 AM EDT
How about Idaho? Our winters are similar to yours and the summers are the best in the whole U.S. It rarely gets above 92 in this part of the state. Guns are encouraged here.

Besides, I personally know people who have their own saunas!
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 5:38:17 AM EDT
South Dakota
Warm summers
Open spaces
Firearm friendly
Snow when you want it
Black Hills for skiing and you Cross-country ski almost anywhere
Opportunities for growth

Link Posted: 4/9/2006 5:40:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2006 5:44:38 AM EDT by DukeSnookems]
Terve,

If you can afford it, California is the most beautiful state IMO. I'd recommend the Bay Area, beautiful surroundings, nice people, great art, great outdoor activities, etc... Despite how some people might make it sound, you can own a variety of semi-auto rifles in California. Bush apologists who probably have never been more than a gas tank's ride from where they were born will likely jump all over this though.

My ex-girlfriend was from Finland and she liked NY the best. It's a great city but I wouldn't want to raise a family there.

Florida is good all-round. No state income tax, liberal gun laws, great beaches, lively cities, etc...
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 5:44:17 AM EDT
Texas.

Good gun laws, sane housing prices, friendly people.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:19:26 AM EDT
You will be most at home in Minnesota. But I'd recommend any of the states of the Old Confederacy except for Louisiana.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:24:39 AM EDT
Why do you want to come to USA? I thought you can get alot of nice guns and supressors in Finland?
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:28:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2006 8:32:34 AM EDT by raven]
As a Finn who doesn't mind crap weather, consider Alaska. No taxes, do-what-you-want attitude, and the state has $35 billion in the bank from which each resident draws a yearly check from the proceeds of the investment fund.

I was watching Conan O'Brien's visit to Finland there, and was surprised how your Lap landers or whatever have such similar culture to our native Alaska eskimos. The drums at least. They're exactly the same.

The only other states I'd ever consider living in are Oregon, or northern New Mexico if I could swing it (it's a very poor state, but beautiful country and cool unique culture).
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:32:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2006 8:41:25 AM EDT by groovyrascal]
www.exploreminnesota.com

Yes it is a blue state, however we have concealed carry and our gun laws are not that bad. Just stay out of Murderapolis..err little chicago...err Mogadishu...err I meant Minneapolis. LOTS of Finns in Minnesota ...you will have no trouble finding a proper SAUNA...pronounced the correct way of course.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:32:44 AM EDT
Don't discount Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont. While (technically) blue states, they have very nice gun laws and New Hampshire has some of the lowest taxes in the nation. Lots of beautiful country too.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:39:41 AM EDT
FLORIDA The Gunshine State

Its pretty warm but your blood will thin out, very gun friendly with few exceptions
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:40:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:40:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
www.lawprofessorblogs.com/taxprof/linkimages/redbluemap360.jpg


I'd recommend sticking to one of the red states.



Hey now Oregon should be blue. We're a class III state with a Shall issue CCW, a preemption law and Open Carry. We were the first state to have instant back ground checks and its written in our ORS that state police can not keep records of these. So we're not too bad.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:56:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2006 8:58:21 AM EDT by C-4]
New Hampshire is great:

1) All four seasons with warm summers and skiing/ice-fishing winters.
2) Among the top states in the country as far as fewest gun restrictions.
3) No state income tax and no sales tax.
4) Low crime rates and nice to raise a family.
5) Good job market in many fields.

I am currently building a semi-auto Suomi M31 (Link) from a parts kit:







Neat rifle. And they sell 71 round drums of 9mm Finnish goodness to go with them:





Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:01:12 AM EDT
Welcome to Alaska... You've now entered the food chain.

~Dg84
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:09:46 AM EDT
The answer depends on what you do for a living. If you don't need to work, your options are limitless.

Colorado has plenty of mountains and snow to make a Finn feel at home. It also has enough sunshine and warm weather to keep any Chinese girlfriend happy.

I travel all around the US, and can recommend it. Better get here quick though, before we reach max capacity.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:23:33 AM EDT
Stay out of North Dakota. We've already got too many scandinavians here...

I ended up even marrying one.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:35:03 AM EDT
Idaho isn't that crowded. Warm summers, not too cold of winters. Low humidity, plenty of outdoor opportunities. Good gun laws.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:43:22 AM EDT


Most of the places listed above are great but missing an important feature.........they are not Texas.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:49:09 AM EDT
Although I am in LA, I reccomend Florida or Texas.

Pick a redstate and a Brady F state then consider proprty value, weather, and state taxes. Taxes here come in fees too like drivers and hunting licenses also most states pay for schools with property taxes(annually). Are tax system stateside is FUBAR but you likely know that already I suspect you may even pay less taxes.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:03:46 AM EDT
I have lived in upsate NY and it is beautiful, but the liberals make it smell bad.

My first choice would be KY. I like the terrain, The economy is good in Louisville where I was looking to go and housing prices were good. Best gun laws inthe state and lots of outdoor things to do. You have 4 seasons but the winters are mild compared to NY. We just visited a few weeks ago and it was spring in KY but late winter in NY.

I live in FL right now. 9 months out of the year it is paradise. Houses are over priced, but the market looks likeit is cooling a little. Not alot, but alittle which is a good thing IMHO. No state taxes, LOTS to do. Beaches are nice. I live near Cocoa Beach, which is 45min east from Orlando. The culture is much more laid back than what i am used to in NY. This is my 2nd favorite state in the east. The North East is very liberal and the big cities dominate state politics, which pisses off anyone who doesn't live in one of those cities.

They call FL the GUNSHINE state for good reason. With the exception of not being a open carry state we have some of the fewest restrictions of any state in regards to fire arms.

The biggest thing I don't like is the flatness of the terrain. I like hills valleys and mountains. But the ocean makes up for it. This is my 2nd choice state after KY.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:06:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jp_72:
South Dakota
Warm summers
Open spaces
Firearm friendly
Snow when you want it
Black Hills for skiing and you Cross-country ski almost anywhere
Opportunities for growth




If you have a good paying job lined up. There are jobs here, but the pay is half what you will get in other parts of the country.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:15:29 AM EDT
I reccomend Texas.

Texas has a surprising number of Finns, especially in the D/FW area. I can think of a few that we are rather fond of. Jere Lehtinen(Espoo), Jussi Jokinen(Kalajoki), Niko Kapanen(Hattula), Antti Miettinen(Hameenlinna), Niklas Hagman(Espoo), Janne Niinimaa(Raahe). What other NHL hockey team are you going to find 6 Finns? All of which were on Finlands hockey team in the Olympics. Dallas Stars.

Seriously though, Texas has its cold spells. Every few years we get a decent snow storm. We get some of the most wicked, yet beautiful thunderstorms. True, it does get hot 90-103 range in the summer time, but we have central air. The Texas summers are overated, bu that may be because I'm a Texan and I'm used to it. A rather substantial majority of our days in Texas are bright and sunny.

Texas hospitality is second to none. You wont find friendlier people anywhere.

As for the gun laws, come on, this is Texas we are talking about!

You'd love it here.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:20:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2006 10:22:31 AM EDT by Bostonterrier97]
I would say: Arizona.

It's Warm (you can have snow if you want to live in Payson...)

You can own all kinds of firearms.

Of course if you're into Hunting...Alaska is hard to beat.



Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:22:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By photokirk:
Texas.

Good gun laws, sane housing prices, friendly people.



A little hot for someone used to snow though. VA.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:23:56 AM EDT
1.Tennessee
2.Alabama
3.Florida(North Florida) or Pan Handle
4. Carolinas
5.Mississippi

Just about anywhere in the south or Arizona, Texas (North Texas) just my two cents from experience.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:26:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Florida is always a good choice,



The crime! The old drivers!
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:37:33 AM EDT
Colorado, Vermont and New Hampshire are the states I enjoy the most. I tend to lean towards CO because of the vast size of the state, and the winters are snow- filled yet much milder than the winter in New England (and the snow is un-real!!). Great hiking , camping, skiing, tons of sunshine, etc...



--VT
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:40:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2006 10:45:13 AM EDT by ED_P]

Originally Posted By C-4:
New Hampshire is great:

1) All four seasons with warm summers and skiing/ice-fishing winters.
2) Among the top states in the country as far as fewest gun restrictions.
3) No state income tax and no sales tax.
4) Low crime rates and nice to raise a family.
5) Good job market in many fields.

I am currently building a semi-auto Suomi M31 (Link) from a parts kit:






www.centerfiresystems.com/miva/graphics/00000001/31open150pixT.jpg






It kills me whenever I see a perfectly good gun cut up, then sold for $39.97

I wish they could just skip the cutting part, and allow us some vintage full auto goodness legally.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:42:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:
Florida.

You can shoot, fish, play golf, enjoy the sights at the beaches, and pursue other outdoor interests year-round.

The gun laws are as good as any in the States.

Granted it gets balls-hot and humid in the summer months, but the benefits far outweigh the downsides

There are many Euros here now, and more coming all the time



One of my Finnish customers travels to Florida quite a bit. I wouldn't go further south than Tampa, and would definitely avoid Palm/Broward/Dade, which is becoming entirely too overpopulated. I'd also look at Richmond, VA, Charlotte, NC, and Nashville, TN.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 10:53:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By KyBlaster:
i2.tinypic.com/tao8xi.jpg

Any state that gets an F from the Brady Bunch is good.



don't know where you got that map from....VA needs to be much greener.



Mo
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 11:06:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KyBlaster:
i2.tinypic.com/tao8xi.jpg

Any state that gets an F from the Brady Bunch is good.



i like how they graded the great lakes.

move to montana--the last of the wild country in the 48.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 11:07:00 AM EDT
Well... Florida! We aren't the gunshine state for nothing!
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 11:11:53 AM EDT
Yet another map to look at, this one is tax burden by state, stay away from the Red states, they tend to also be the biggest socialists.

Link Posted: 4/9/2006 11:14:29 AM EDT
Arizona, you will love the summers!
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 11:17:21 AM EDT


Any questions?
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 11:18:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2006 11:25:55 AM EDT by goodmedicine]
Northern Minnesota already has a bunch of Finns one more couldn't hurt.





Finlandson, Mn awaits you

GM
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 11:34:41 AM EDT
How about southern Calif area Los Angeles-San Diego, Calif? If you live in the flat lands rather than in the mountains, you can go to the snow, and visit the beaches, or play in the desert all on the same day. Everything is within a 2-3 hour drive. If you pick the area right, you can have mild summers and winter 365 days out of the year. Humidity is pretty good, not so oppressive as that found in the southern USA. At my house, I really don't need air conditioning, but the wife insists on it so.....

The big problems are high taxes, high housing costs, high gasoline prices, extreme amount of traffic, oppressive gun laws(but you can still buy a Ruger Mini-14 or a Springfield Armory M1A), no >10 rd magazines.
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